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In this documentary, war reporter Bob Woodruff leads veterans on an Arctic expedition to test a cure for post-traumatic stress and depression: the experience of awe in nature. As they trek across one of the world’s most dramatic and pristine wildernesses, researchers monitor changes to their physical and emotional well-being. Could this be the medicine they’ve been looking for?
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More trauma is not the cure for trauma.
The cure for trauma is release tension and stress in the mind, for example with EMDR or EFT.
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Yeah, I agree - from the outset, without having watched this all the way through yet, I don't think being in the freezing cold way out in the middle of nowhere would be beneficial to mental health. But there was one part I saw while scrolling through that was based on brain science, or neuroscience etc, that talked about nature being beneficial to mental health, how that works etc. Being in nature, like forests and mountains and shit like that. Not necessarily the Arctic per se. But yeah, that part is what made me think the film was at least somewhat worthy of being uploaded! lol
zoopenhoff wrote:
EMDR does make you face the trauma though. and at the same time you are doing left/right eye movement or some other left/right repetition such as the ginger royal closed eyes and left right tapping on opposite shoulders. Afew other variants exist.
I had it as part of my CPTSD treatment and it wasn't effective for me at all. I do however go down weekly to volunteer at Whiteford house here in Edinburgh. It's a Veterans home with long term and temporary accommodation and had lots of counselling/treatment options for PTSD. a fair few of them rate iot and some don't.
facing your fears is the only way to beat them as long as it's in a controlled way if you know what i mean. if you don't confront them they will only compound and increase by running away from it. my army training as a para was all about overcoming fear whether it was the trainasium( aerial confidence course of parachute training itself. It's about beating that fear as fear doesn't kill you but how you react toi it very much can and not just in military circumstances.
When I got out the army and went to university my psychology lecturer didn't rate Francine shapiro at all and questioned her legitimacy. i had forgotten about that as it was a back in the mid to late 90's.
I was reminded of it when a youtube video popped up and went into depth about Francie and her story on the origin of EMDR.
i think though, whatever works for you, works for you.
I feel that mindful meditation/stoic techniques help me more than EMDR.
i'll try to find that video...... found it!
fairly well laid out explanation which falls into place with what that lecturer said about 28 years a ago.
BUT as i said, if it works for you then it works for you and that's fair enough
link about trainasium https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/8661 the trainasium I trained on was in Aldershot which was the home of the British airborne forces at the time
this is modern Pegasus(P) company training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl0cKJiXut0
this is what i did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFuR6Jtzbtw
as for the arctic? fuck that shit.. that's in the Bootneck's (Royal Marines) domain! LOL
EDIT TO ADD A CORRECTION. These days once they complete P Coy they go to battalion and THEN they go to Brize norton for the jumps course. when they arrive at battalion they are known as "paras in waiting" i believe. In my way it was JOE CRow (Joined on enlistment) and aCrow is a name used by many regiments as a designation for a noob.
I think sending men without their wings to regiment is fucking shite.
As Matt Johnson of The The once wrote "The only path to heaven is via hell" and i think that holds true really
I'm an outdoorsman from way
I'm an outdoorsman from way back. But the idea of trekking through a barren wasteland is very unappealing to me.
Where's the ayahuasca?!
The central premise to this documentary is that "awe" and the experience of awe, in nature and otherwise in other spiritual experiences in life, helps heal the mind and body. There's reasonable science to back this up. As for the idea of going to the Arctic, I think the idea was influenced by other research into wilderness adventures like white water rafting, that related to that "awe" experience and immersion into nature.
Another part of the allure of the location they chose was also, particularly the Northern Lights, as well as the mountain views...
TheCorsair00 wrote:
I absolutely agree that psychedelics should be used all the time for PTSD.
the trials , i believe were very positive on it and i am sure MDMA ,mushies, ketamine and LSD have been trialled. there may be more than that to be honest.
they really do work wonders.
about 3-4 times a year i get together with a small group of people and we trip over two days at a time.
it's like a mental reset and very much helps with perspective.
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What dose of mushrooms do you find most therapeutic? 3 dried grams?
They are finally "allowed" to do psychedelic therapy in around my neck of the woods, since they decriminalized drugs. But apparently overdoses have gone up fairly significantly, and some people are demanding that drugs go back to illegal etc again. Of course, psychedelics shouldn't be lumped into that category of drugs at all, but for some reason they still are...
NOTHING beats the use of
NOTHING beats the use of decent psychedelics for trauma and ANYTHING vaguely linked to it.
We're such a slow whirrled..... Dr Tim Leary and many others found this out with alcoholics and criminals repeat offenders in the early 1960s.... so why so slow today...??
Cos we're controlled by Pfizer etc Phuckwits innit...!?!
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Mainstream "Big Pharma" Psychiatry is the biggest hoax perpetrated on the public, and should be made illegal, with all the crackpot doctors thrown in jail and charged with medical malpractice! :D
Shamanism is where it's at - the ORIGINAL religion - as well as the ORIGINAL medicine, art, music etc and so on...
But all that aside, I might fork out 2-4000 dollars for some mushroom therapy! LOL
TheCorsair00 wrote:
Therapy costs
I was able to read your quote in mine, so I can answer your question - and it's a really good one. I actually don't know much about this mushroom therapy in Canada, other than it is quite new because drugs were decriminalized last year. However, I suspect that there has been an underground network of some renegade therapists that have been doing it since before then, I just never knew about them.
There's a documentary here about the subject of mushroom therapy: https://concen.org/node/46011 This is about a woman, from just one town over from me incidentally, getting medicinal mushrooms for end of life anxiety from a cancer diagnosis. They show the whole journey - her first trip, with a licensed therapist, was 3 grams - close to a heroic dose. Her second trip was 5 grams. The only part I don't know about is how much it costs. I mean, if it's with a therapist, that's charged by the hour, and mushroom trips are at least 4 to 5 hours long, I can only guess that it could be hundreds, if not close to a thousand, or more!
I have 8 grams sitting in my medicine cabinet, as well as pure DMT vape, but I am hesitant to try it alone for a few medical reasons - plus, everyone says not to do it alone etc. I could make other arrangements possibly, but with a psychiatric medical history, the therapy route seems more safe. I mean, ideally, in a more shamanic society, there should be treatment facilities worldwide for such things... instead of the psych ward, of course! :D
It tends ro
Build up to heroic dose levels.last time it was ten blotters each.
I think next time it's start with DMT with each taking turns and the great kept an eye then onto microdots. Again I think it'll be about ten each.
Only legally here IF you are in a trial but they microdose and "supervise" the trip.
If target struck with my friends who I absolutely trust and take the appropriate dosage for my/our needs
**Ten** blotters Pax ?!
**Ten** blotters Pax ?!
Was that blotting paper designs from the current wussie era or the late 1980s / early 1990s - when we "double dipped" those STRAWBERRIES and PURPLE OHMs for you in various locations of West Yorkshire.
Amsterdam and Rotterdam seemed to like that level of psychedelic chaos from what feedback arrived over the [then] slow rate beeping internet hook-up.
You probably thinking I'm joking here...
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shuffle wrote:
the blotters are from amsterdam as we know a few good people there , the microdots generally come from the same place.
we don't do "wussie" stuff. that shit is for idiots. the stuff we get is ALWAYS clean and high quality from trusted sources.
next lot is going to be flints(microdots shaped like lighter flints) they they boot hefty hoop.
my weed is prescription and any other stuff we get get get at very high purity, again from trusted sources.
Are microdots SERIOUSLY still
Are microdots SERIOUSLY still an easily available format for acid these days then?? :-o
I recall thinking they were sort of an old tech [bit like LSD sugar-cubes] when we had them around occasionally in the late 1980s???
Also did you and your friends ever come across [UK] red [of course] icon strawberry tabs in the early---mid 1990s?
Did your hear the phrase double-dipped with these and purple ohm tabs at all? ?
---> :-o -- Or was that a regular sales pitch by greedy techno hippies in the UK for other designs/strengths??
There's a reason I'm interested in this seemingly dull stuff... :-P
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pax wrote:
ok - i meant more dose levels not naff types or scam formats of the stuff...
shuffle wrote:
yes they are available , they are very strong. you just have to know the right people.
pax wrote:
Sure - and if you read the other comments on this topic - you'll see that I did indeed know the "right" ppl.
At least for a few crazy years....
shuffle wrote:
goiod fro you but it still stands the "double dip" nonsense was pure sales pitch ;)