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Auschwitz-Birkenau was designed to kill. Four gas chambers murdered thousands at a time, belching out smoke and human ashes. Starvation, thirst, disease, and hard labor reduced the average lifespan to less than three months. More than 1-million people perished in the largest German Nazi concentration and extermination camp.
Seventy years after her liberation, Kitty Hart-Moxon makes a final return to Auschwitz-Birkenau to walk among the crumbling memorial with students Natalia and Lydia, who, at 16, are the same age now as she was then. As Kitty tells them her story of daily existence, themes begin to emerge: the ever-present threat of death, resilience, friendship, human strength, resisting the Nazis' constant lethal intent, and living like an animal while still remaining human. Natalia and Lydia ask questions; Kitty provides answers, passing her legacy to the next generation.

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haven't seen this. Clearly propaganda again if claiming this was "death" camp. Do the forensics research... if you care. codoh.org. But as it is for many that would be too much work, and they are afraid of disagreeing with Group Think. It's not my job to lay out the contradictory evidence here; that's your job if you are actually curious enough to want to read the scholars of the "other" side in order to come to a reasonable grasp of all the levels of atrocities within war, including post-war propaganda.

ajnavajra wrote:

haven't seen this. Clearly propaganda again if claiming this was "death" camp. Do the forensics research... if you care. codoh.org. But as it is for many that would be too much work, and they are afraid of disagreeing with Group Think. It's not my job to lay out the contradictory evidence here; that's your job if you are actually curious enough to want to read the scholars of the "other" side in order to come to a reasonable grasp of all the levels of atrocities within war, including post-war propaganda.

I don't have to do research.. my Grandfather was there you silly boy

So because your grandfather was there ( where exactly?) you won't do ANY research, that's very open minded of you , or perhaps you are scared of what you might actually discover?
Why have death camps? Why not just round up the Jews in each town where they lived and just shoot them all in one go?Why transport millions of people and waste even more resources just to kill them? The reason the Nazis collected them all together in camps was to make them work to help their war effort. The "Gas Chambers" are no such thing. The one at Auschwitz today is a fake, the others were conveniently destroyed. Most of the prisoners in those camps died from disease and starvation which is actually much worse than being gassed. So I am not denying people died what I would question is the method of killing. The logic of what most survivors say about the Death camps does not make sense when properly scrutinised and why would the Nazis bother to kill their workforce in such an inefficient way?As for the stories about lampshades, soap and shrunken heads well they are all fake too.Sam goes for diesel engines being used to gas people, that can't be done either.

pharmacrat wrote:

So because your grandfather was there ( where exactly?) you won't do ANY research, that's very open minded of you , or perhaps you are scared of what you might actually discover?
Why have death camps? Why not just round up the Jews in each town where they lived and just shoot them all in one go?Why transport millions of people and waste even more resources just to kill them? The reason the Nazis collected them all together in camps was to make them work to help their war effort. The "Gas Chambers" are no such thing. The one at Auschwitz today is a fake, the others were conveniently destroyed. Most of the prisoners in those camps died from disease and starvation which is actually much worse than being gassed. So I am not denying people died what I would question is the method of killing. The logic of what most survivors say about the Death camps does not make sense when properly scrutinised and why would the Nazis bother to kill their workforce in such an inefficient way?As for the stories about lampshades, soap and shrunken heads well they are all fake too.Sam goes for diesel engines being used to gas people, that can't be done either.

pharmacrat wrote:

Why have death camps? Why not just round up the Jews in each town where they lived and just shoot them all in one go?

Actually the Nazis did this at first. With the Einsatzgruppen. It mostly required for the victims to not suspect anything which turned out to be increasingly hard after the word spread around and – what is maybe even more important – it was a terrible psychological burden on the people who had to do the mass shootings (brains splattered over uniforms etc.) so the Nazis tried to come up with more "humane" methods of killing.

It's a typical denier fallacy to assume that the Shoah could not have happened because they (the deniers) would have done it differently while ignoring the huge amount of evidence converging on the conclusion that the Shoah actually did happen.

pharmacrat wrote:

Why transport millions of people and waste even more resources just to kill them? The reason the Nazis collected them all together in camps was to make them work to help their war effort.

It's a typical fallacy of the denier reasoning to assume it could have only been one thing or the other. Actually with Auschwitz it was both, and it only developed into a death camp gradually over time. It's well known that people were selected at the ramps on arrival, sending those unfit to work to the gas chambers right away, while keeping the others for forced labor. Of course the hard working conditions would kill many of those in the end as well.

pharmacrat wrote:

The "Gas Chambers" are no such thing. The one at Auschwitz today is a fake, the others were conveniently destroyed.

Read the book by Jean-Claude Pressac who was a former disciple of Robert Faurisson, i.e. a "revisionist". Pressac insisted on documentary evidence for the gas chambers and he found it in the Auschwitz construction office which was one of the few buildings which hasn't been destroyed by the fleeing SS.

Jean-Claude Pressac: Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers ("One proof … one single proof")
https://concen.org/oldforum/thread-15910-post-242871.html#pid242871
https://concen.org/content/auschwitz-technique-and-operation-gas-chamber...

pharmacrat wrote:

As for the stories about lampshades, soap and shrunken heads well they are all fake too.

Yes, deniers try to capitalize on such minor stories while ignoring that the historical research on the Shoah does not rely on those but on multitudes of other evidence. The soap story was just a wartime rumor and was not believed by the majority of historians. And, on a side note, there even is some evidence that there were experiments with the creation of soap from human fat, but not on a mass scale.

It's another fallacy of the denier reasoning to think that if they only find the tiniest crack in the structure it will all come tumbling down. This quote hits the nail on the head: "Revisionists" try to use this red herring to deflect discussion from the overwhelming proof of the Holocaust.

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Soap & lamp shades
• "No human soap"? This is true, but misleading. Though there is some evidence that soap was made from corpses on a very limited experimental scale, the rumored "mass production" was never done, and no soap made from human corpses is known to exist. However, there is sworn testimony, never refuted, from British POWs and a German army official, stating that soap experiments were performed, and the recipe for the soap was captured by the Allies. To state flatly that the Nazis did not make soap from human beings is incorrect.

• "No lamp shades made of human skin?" False -- lampshades and other human-skin "ornaments" were introduced as evidence in both trials of Ilse Koch, and were shown to a U.S. Senate investigation committee in the late 40s. We know they were made of human skin because they bore tattoos, and because a microscopic forensic analysis of the items was performed. (A detailed page on this is being prepared.)

http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

The Soap Allegations
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/soap-01.html
Michael Shermer & Alex Grobman, "Denying History – Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it?" (see pages 114-117)

pharmacrat wrote:

Sam goes for diesel engines being used to gas people, that can't be done either.

Really? Study the info here:

Diesel gassings were technically possible
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/diesel1.html
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/diesel2.html
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/diesel3.html
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/diesel4.html

So, all in all: deniers of the Shoah often demand to be open minded and claim to only search for the truth. If this is the case they should study the existing info which addresses all their concerns about any perceived inconsistencies. But the thing that ultimately ends all these petty debates is that the claim of a "Hoax" of such a scope – spreading over several countries, involving thousands of people, going on for years – i.e. an alleged massive conspiracy of forgers, instructors and torturers is completely implausible and does not have even a fraction of the hard evidence in support of it (memos, written orders etc. etc.) compared to that in support of the factuality of the Shoah. I only wish deniers would for once apply the same type of critical thinking to their own belief systems.

The hoax of the Holocaust. Where's the evidence?
https://concen.org/oldforum/thread-21359-post-252370.html#pid252370
https://concen.org/oldforum/thread-21359-post-244897.html#pid244897
https://concen.org/oldforum/thread-21359-post-251939.html#pid251939

Who Created The 'Hoax'? Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2006/06/who-created-hoax-inqui...
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2006/06/who-created-hoax-inqui...

And, on a side note, there even is some evidence that there were experiments with the creation of soap from human fat, but not on a mass scale.

Yeah.. but wouldn't you need catholics if a mass were involved shurely ? :P