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I don't agree with Icke at all, this is fairly well known.
however as this is very relevant to the times and it's also fair that all sides are presented i am uploading this.
Not my bag BUT having stuff like this is what concen is all about

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Congratulations for your honesty and openned mind, putting something that is not of your taste, but that you recognize as valuable. Excellent actitude.

Use it or lose it!

Thanks pax.

thanks Pax

Thanks.

It's actually the 480p version but you did well to grab it, I think they have some throttling so that the thing won't download any faster than you can watch it anyway. Mine keeps failing and it's only the 360p.

Hey which tool did you use?

you're welcome.
as i said, all sides have to be documented and you can't aruge for something without understanding the oppisite position and vice versa.
and i supposwe once this is over and we can look back with all the gathered facts adn that's where i think we have a place as a library to store all of this for the future.
No matter what side is right in this when the facts do finally come out it'll be something that'll affect the whole world.
you might think.. well.. yeah.... but usually in a way it's just US, the conspiracy minded/truth community.
In a very real sense this extends well beyond our various camps into the wider world.
It's a crucial time in history on the cusp of a major turning point in history like no other.
Whichever side of the debate is shown , in the final analysis, to be promulgating lies and have caused loss of life is going to face a genuine worldwide backlash and calls for hanging and flogging.
edit - Zoopenhoff it was the one labbels 720p i downloaded and it took 4 bloody hours! If I didn't have the worlds largest collection of donkey and dwarf porn i could have gotten bored! oh and youtube-dlg

Just curious to know more about what you mean when you say:

"No matter what side is right in this when the facts do finally come out it'll be something that'll affect the whole world...It's a crucial time in history on the cusp of a major turning point in history like no other."

Can you state in simple terms what specifically you are referring to?

Are you referring to turmoil in the world (chaos, evil, etc.) and how our societies are on the verge of a collapse? Or are you thinking of something else: new paradigms for control are emerging as we speak?

Look over this list and tell me that the ideas here don't scream "We are being controlled by someone else!":

control by the 1%
the illusion of individual control when all of us are controlled by forces far larger than us
specific group using coronavirus to test its technology
secret society putting its agents in places of power
tech (like 5G) causing a virus
group of international elites controls governments, industry, and media organizations
group based on ethnic background controls governments, industry, and media organizations(Jewish, Teutonic, etc.)
or aliens are in control
or secret government members, deep state
a vaccine will control us
fluoride will control us
control over the weather or the weather will control us
control over minds
control over our notion of history

As I look over that list it tells me that Nietzsche was right a long time: those who do not have power find ways to tell stories that put themselves in the hero position. The powerless narrate stories that put the unlikely hero at the center of the story. That's the story about Jesus, by the way. Most conspiracy theories strikes me as substitute religious beliefs. Whereas in old days we would take leaps of faith about religion it now seems this same impulse causes folks to leap toward equally dubious beliefs about other "powers that be". That's the pill that surprises me people here seem so willing to swallow. Folks seem far too willing to submit to the idea that they are being controlled.

euxconcen wrote:

Just curious to know more about what you mean when you say:
"No matter what side is right in this when the facts do finally come out it'll be something that'll affect the whole world...It's a crucial time in history on the cusp of a major turning point in history like no other."
Can you state in simple terms what specifically you are referring to?
Are you referring to turmoil in the world (chaos, evil, etc.) and how our societies are on the verge of a collapse? Or are you thinking of something else: new paradigms for control are emerging as we speak?
Look over this list and tell me that the ideas here don't scream "We are being controlled by someone else!":
control by the 1%
the illusion of individual control when all of us are controlled by forces far larger than us
specific group using coronavirus to test its technology
secret society putting its agents in places of power
tech (like 5G) causing a virus
group of international elites controls governments, industry, and media organizations
group based on ethnic background controls governments, industry, and media organizations(Jewish, Teutonic, etc.)
or aliens are in control
or secret government members, deep state
a vaccine will control us
fluoride will control us
control over the weather or the weather will control us
control over minds
control over our notion of history
As I look over that list it tells me that Nietzsche was right a long time: those who do not have power find ways to tell stories that put themselves in the hero position. The powerless narrate stories that put the unlikely hero at the center of the story. That's the story about Jesus, by the way. Most conspiracy theories strikes me as substitute religious beliefs. Whereas in old days we would take leaps of faith about religion it now seems this same impulse causes folks to leap toward equally dubious beliefs about other "powers that be". That's the pill that surprises me people here seem so willing to swallow. Folks seem far too willing to submit to the idea that they are being controlled.

um.. i think you are massively over analysing what i wrote.
Also i studied comparative religion as part of my Masters degree and psychology was part of my degree course.
Can't say i agree with your analysis of what i said at all really.

to simplify what i meant........

coronavirus and it's situation does put things on a cusp. in itself it's been a major shift for a lot of people in that lockdown has changed a lot of things for a lot of people.
Now there are clearly two sides to the debate on that
side 1 - it's a virus
side 2 - it's not a virus and 5G causes it (or variants thereof)
now when the facts come to light and an informed judgment can be made. I think the people who turned out to be talking absolute shite will be, and i put this mildly "frowned upon" by rather a lot of people because what they have promulgated has turned out to be utter shite and has cost lives.

a couple of thoughts on from that
Now lket's just say that side 2 are right
I think it would be pratty fair to say that a lot of people will be VERY pissed off at govt/medical and a lot of unhappiness shall ensue and a paradigm shift in the majority of people will happen. It will change the eyes through which people see their world

and if side 1 is right? then people liike Icke will have to answer for what they say.
this will be a paradigm shift in the other way and also people will be angry too.

either way there will be a lot of wailing, nashing of teeth and castigations galore.
I never mentioned paradigms of control. not once.

as for the 1% bit... how to put this... you have read my posts eh?
and as for religion.. forget about pretend anthropomorphic personifications. look inside yourself, search within yourself, get to know yourself and all your faults and accept responsibility for yourself, your words and your actions. learn how to turn down that signal to noise ration in your mind whether by meditation or psychadelics, tune in expand, contract and explore, come back and be calmer, grounded and "cleaner" (i can't really think of another word to explain the feeling). By no means the answer for all or an answer to anything but it can certainly set you on a better way in my opinion.

too many when they look inside, don't like what they see or don't see and externalise blame and externalise the means to recify the situation instead of taking responsibility fort the things you have resposibility for and recognise the things you have no responsibility for. Recognise the things within your power and outwith your power. recognise that which can change and that which can never change. Deity is a human construct
I have seen in Northern Ireland ,Kosovo and other places what happens when religious morons express their "my version of god's dick is bigger than your god's dick". I don't admire people like that very much really.

There's a lot in the conspiracy world that i find fascinating for many reasons, some i find just plain fucking idiotic such as Flat earth, hollow earth, fake moonshot , the driver shot JFK, alien human shapeshifting hybrids, ancient aliens based on Sitchin/Von Daniken and their wee echo chamber muppets on that program in particular,. The dishonesty is fucking blatant and astonishing to me and can so simply be blown out the water.

But I like Babylon 5's Vorlons..lol
They have a saying, "Truth is a triple edged sword"... mighty true

Actually, I wasn't saying that *you* held those beliefs :). In hindsight, it would have been better for me to separate my messages in two:

1. one for you specifically: I was just asking for clarity about what you meant because it was ambiguous. You've clarified that for me above so thank you for that ("side 1 - it's a virus; side 2 - it's not a virus and 5G causes it (or variants thereof))

And

2. a second part just speculating about Icke and like-minded theorists more generally. In no way was I suggesting that *you* held those beliefs. But anyway, this second digression was a helpful exercise for me to assemble some of my thoughts about what I've been seeing here on this site. I am both attracted and repulsed by the crude blend of views on the boards here. One of the more enigmatic sites I've stumbled across in a long time. I'm actually surprised this form of botched communication still exists in these days of grossly commodified social media. Y'all come close to the long lost art of Web 1.0! So cheers for that.

Now to follow-up on two points that you specifically said:

You write:
"Also i studied comparative religion as part of my Masters degree and psychology was part of my degree course. Can't say i agree with your analysis of what i said at all really."

I am glad to learn you have an interest in religion. And you are British, right? Cool (because Brits are generally so much more critical of religion than Americans). Even so you have to elaborate. it's not enough to just say "you're wrong, mate". In what way was I wrong in your opinion? In what does *belief in control not parallel a belief in greater power*? In what way was Nietzsche wrong that the powerless invert the stories of the powerful? (the weak Christians lambaste Babylon/Rome as the "whore", etc.)

You write:
"There's a lot in the conspiracy world that i find fascinating for many reasons..."
Like what? I think this gets closest to what I have been getting at. You have stated what repulses you ("Flat earth, hollow earth," etc.) which I can understand but what part or parts attract you?

And to repeat: I am not criticizing your views, I am just trying to understand them, and asking for clarity where it is needed.

No, I don't know your views of the 1%.

comedy
repulses me?
no, they are pretty laughable , as far as flat earth goes for example. Demonstrably , absolute bollocks.
A long time ago a man in ancient Egypt thought.... i am gonna stick this stick in the ground at midday.
He then sent some guys with measuring wheels to travel a set distance to another site and perform the same task and measure the ankle of the shadow of the sun.
The differences in the angle of the shadows showed evidence the world in in fact round! And the preponderance of masses of evidence, including film, stills, audio, telemetry. There's massive amounts of multiple types of evidence to show flat earth is just plain silly.

Hollow earth and it's Vrill inhabitants? Edward Bulwer-Lytton wrote a fantasy novel in 1871 and mentioned them. Some people think that's what the nazi's were in the antartic for and they found and contacted this non existent race of being.
Did I mention that Edward Bulwer-Lytton wrote a fictional book? Ah there's also a rather large amount of scientific evidence to support the fact the earth isn't hollow.

Oh I am Scottish, hopefully NOT to be part of the uk much longer.

I find Graeme Hancocks work very interesting. I don't buy the underwater city in Japan really but especially find the work he and a few others were doing in turkey. i also like that when he is speculating he clearly states so. Randall Carlson also a very interesting guy.

I find the whole templar/crusades/rosicrucians(the actual ones not these modern pretend muppets)/freemasonry. all very fascinating.
all of the rituals are online at the web of hiram at bradford university. Also an awful lot of what is said is highly entertaining at times to be honest and the Stuff about Rosslyn more so. It's about 8 miles from my home and I go fairly regularly. Taken two tours but much prefer to take my time and have a wee gander at my own pace.

I am constantly amazed that people STILL present the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as something factual. it's very very very well established to be a Russian forgery. Then they try to justify by saying "but look at what's happened that's in it!"... I could say the same about Black Mirror and the Simpsons.

I find the JFK and RFK conspiracies very interesting indeed and think that Oswald certainly didn't perform that task on his lonesome and neither did Sirhan Sirhan.

I certainly think there's fishiness in the 9/11 official story. i also think Judy Wood is a moron. "dustification" .. holy fuck . A word prexisted that describes "dustification" existed for rather a long time.. pulverisation. Her theory is, in my opinion a bunch of nonsense.

Ancient aliens.. utter,utter bollocks and excellently proven so by Chris White and Dr Michael Heiser(an actual Semitic languages professor). They show that Sitchin was full of shit as is Von Daniken and his whole crew and cronies. you know it seems that the history in the history channel is history and now it's all just shite

Icke? see Chris Whites little look at him.. Icke doesn't impress me at all.

I never said Neitche was wrong, i said you were over analyzing what i said. Never mentioned him and he wasn't considered in what i wrote.

I am pretty sure that Willie McCrae was very much murdered by the british state but no.. he shot himself twice in the head and the weapon found metres away.

the 1%.. very greedy bastards who do very greedy bastard things as greedy bastards do

Well time for me to go shower and get my shit together. i have two pc's to build