Coast to Coast AM with George Knapp 5/24/2009 [UFO Events & Issues] (LIVE version with commercials+bumper music)

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George Knapp

UFO Events & Issues

Date: 05-24-09
Host: George Knapp
Guests: William J. Birnes, Robert Collins, Frank Costigan
Format: Audio: RealAudio COOK 22050Hz mono [Output 00 (Audio Stream)]
Runtime: 3:54:58
(LIVE version with commercials+bumper music)
Courtesy: ZOG/#sterntuary

George Knapp discussed the UFO phenomenon with a cavalcade of guests, beginning with Needles object witness Frank Costigan ( KLAS TV news report ) in the first hour. Following that, retired Air Force Capt. Robert Collins talked about UFO disinformation during the second hour and then author William Birnes discussed a number of issues related to the field of Ufology for the remainder of the program.

First hour guest Frank Costigan talked about his investigation into the Needles UFO case. He detailed how, since the incident, numerous people have reported sightings of the infamous Men in Black in the area. "We've gotten hundreds of reports of this group," said Costigan. He speculated that the object which crashed in Needles was "something that the US government was testing." To that end, he noted the quick response time by the government recovering the object, which suggests foreknowledge of its impending crash. Ultimately, he said, the residents of the area "want answers" and that there is "no doubt in the general minds of people in Needles that this is a true event."

During the 2nd hour, Robert Collins discussed the world of UFO disinformation. He denied allegations that he had taken part in spreading of falsehoods regarding the UFO phenomenon, saying that his information is gleaned from his days in the Army foreign technology division where he "picked up information" from "people who knew about the subject." He was skeptical that government agents are disinforming the UFO community in contemporary times, instead suggesting that there is a cloak of silence around the subject. He theorized that if there is a government disinformation program at work today then it is "extremely low key."

In the final half of the program, William Birnes talked about a number of UFO related topics. On the subject of UFO Hunters, he noted that the show is very popular with young people and that aspect of the program is particularly exciting to him since they are discovering the subject for the first time. He also detailed the saga of the Morristown UFO hoax, saying that "the facts in the story have all but disappeared" in the wake of the frenzied media coverage of the deception. Birnes refuted claims that UFO Hunters were duped by the fabricated case, saying "we never called these things flying saucers. We said the lights were unidentified and we'd get it back to the lab."

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