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Charlie Prime
How the U.S. Created and Funds ISIS

Latest release from Stormclouds Gathering.

He is skilled at making presentations that are fast, concentrated, and full of information.

If anyone notices anything factually incorrect in this video, please do let me know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

watchdog
Charlie Prime wrote:
Charlie Prime wrote:

If anyone notices anything factually incorrect in this video, please do let me know.

Well, it may not be factually incorrect that the U.S. is behind ISIS (and behind many other organisations/persons that are used as scapegoats -azazel (sic)), but I must ask this, "Who is behind the U.S.?".

It would seem to me that if we don't address this issue and answer this question then we're simple pointing the finger in the wrong direction, and that would mean that this video is yet another distraction that will corral conspiracists in the playpen of the social engineers. And that would make the person who did this video a "tool", be it conscious or unconscious of his role in the social programming of masses. If his is doing this purposely then he is a shill.

Charlie Prime
watchdog wrote:
watchdog wrote:

"Who is behind the U.S.?" It would seem to me that if we don't address this issue and answer this question then we're simple pointing the finger in the wrong direction, and that would mean that this video is yet another distraction

"Who is behind the U.S." is a good question. The answer is certainly more complicated than "Group X". It's a combination of powers and interests.

The good thing about this video, in my opinion, is that it demonstrates conclusively that the mainstream media is lying about the nature and causes of "terrorism".

Currently most people don't even know they are being lied to, much less that there is anyone "behind" anything. One step at a time is the way progress is made.

pax
seems legit

seems to be fairly legit as when you google the articles they check out and that general at the end..... very interesting indeed.
Watchdog i think the answer to who is "behind the US" is simpler than you think..... CORPORATIONS.
These corporations make billions per year and billions more when war is afoot.
Whether they be munitions manufacturers(Haliburton), logistical providers(Haliburton) for the US armed services and private "security"(see black water for details.) and i am very sure there are many more who make those multi billions per year and who have, shall we say...... quite an effective lobbying crowd and a shit load of senator and representatives in their collective pockets and on their boards of directors.
Donald Rumsfeld was CEO of Searle as Reagan got elected......
First act Reagan made when he got elected..... to suspend the powers of the director of the FDA and got aspartame approved as a food additive.
Thus the diet soda industry used it aplenty. It has made BILLIONS upon BILLIONS
The stuff is not the safest additive in the world as "[url=http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/sweet-misery-a-poisoned-world/]Sweet Misery : a poisoned world[/url]" shows.
Bushiness and politics in bed for profit is your answer i think.
the rest is window dressing

watchdog
Pax wrote:
Pax wrote:

seems to be fairly legit as when you google the articles they check out and that general at the end..... very interesting indeed.
Watchdog i think the answer to who is "behind the US" is simpler than you think..... CORPORATIONS.

Well I disagree. It's not that simple. At least not for me, in my minds mind.

At the root of the root causes, permeating the Universe, is what can be perceived as a fight between Good and Evil. But, here in the manifested realm where humanity resides many different forces are squaring off in this fight, sort to speak; some forces emanating from the spirit worlds are influencing consciousness, and others forces are simply the product of thousands of years of "human evolution" (devolution may also be used here...) along with this thing we call "culture" that serves the purpose of "culture creators"; where corporations are simply an organisational unit to control and manipulate masses. It appears to me that the "culture creators", at least in the human form, are those that have been chosen because of their psychological makeup (i.e. meme propagation through various mindsets), but really are just more "tools" than anything else. In other words, CORPORATIONS are mechanisms that use human TOOLS, who are people designed by CULTURE to serve controlling forces.

So, pointing at CORPORATIONS is still not getting at the root causes. I'll recollect my thoughts and try to formulation a better summary, if possible.

Let's see where this discussion goes. It should be interesting to see what others think!

In the mean time keeping in the spirit of things on your mind:

"Why The Simplest Theory Is Never The Right One: Occam’s Razor Has A Double Edge": http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2007/05/14/why-the-simple...

:)

pax
never underestimate the power

never underestimate the power of money and the lure of money

Charlie Prime
There is nothing wrong with

There is nothing wrong with Money. It is merely a tool like a shovel, telephone, or frying pan.

The problem is Aggression.

mike.smith
Pax wrote:
Pax wrote:

never underestimate the power of money and the lure of money

I know I don't. Especially considering it has been called the root of all evil.

Oddly enough without even trying I keep noticing how the avaristic money lovers like Blankfein, Dimon et. al. are never prosecuted by financial regulators such as Mary Shapiro and Gary Gensler. And when they do get caught for rigging LIBOR or selling shitty mortgage back securities, collateralized debt obligations et cetera, the resultant fine is mere pennies on the dollar of their ill-gotten gains. Of course if said fines made these crooks insolvent, fellow crooks like Geithner and Yellen would bail them out to the detriment of honest people everywhere.

AC1D4T3D
Where's the torrent?

I can see the youtube link, but I do not see the link for the torrent. Where is it?

JFK
This is the history forum,

This is the history forum, not the torrent forum.

BUT there is nothing stopping you from downloading the youtube and uploading it into the torrent forum.

;D

pax
I know I don't. Especially

I know I don't. Especially considering it has been called the root of all evil.

money was never ,ever called the root of evil.. the quote is actually "For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil"

mike.smith
Pax wrote:
Pax wrote:

I know I don't. Especially considering it has been called the root of all evil.

money was never ,ever called the root of evil.. the quote is actually "For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil"

Ya ya. And who is running the printing press? Who is getting bailed out? Eskimoes?

mike.smith
So why does't ISIS go after Israel?

You would think these Muslims would be natural enemies of the Chosenites. Instead ISIS said the other day that their newest target is Russia, a country that suffered millions upon millions of deaths at the hands of the Chosenites. Cui bono I ask...

pax
Mike, i see the VERY thin

Mike, i see the VERY thin veneer has worn through and it's "THAT JEWS..THAT JEWS I TELL YAH!"
you're like a broken fucking record.
It's hilarious that you take a correction on the original quotation which gives a very different meaning to it and dismiss it..lol
you're funny

mike.smith
The only reason I might sound

The only reason I might sound repetative is due to the fact of obvious and repeated financial criminality. IOW, if the lovers of money weren't what they are, I'd have nothing to rant about.

If indeed the love of money is the root of all evil, then doesn't that make those who control the money also evil? Oh silly me, a "corporation", a ficticious person without a brain or conscience is the "evil entity".

pax
on topic though

ISIS /IS or whatever you want to call it is a classic "Crucible" scenario where a situation is created that attracts all the nutbars into one area.
It has been quite successful at this with known nutbars travelling thousands of miles to be there.
this suits many of the powers that be such as America/Israel/UK etc as i said.. it gathers all the nutbars into one place for easy management and direction.
And for disposal at a later date should that be the case... however i see them being kept on for a while as they have "usefulness" to the bigger regional agenda....

mike.smith
How does the USA/UK benefit

How does the USA/UK benefit from increased oil instability when cheap energy would be beneficial to their floundering economies?

As far as easy management and direction goes, the USA having armed ISIS in one country only to turn around and bomb them in another puts that notion to rest.

pax
mike.smith wrote:
mike.smith wrote:

How does the USA/UK benefit from increased oil instability when cheap energy would be beneficial to their floundering economies?
As far as easy management and direction goes, the USA having armed ISIS in one country only to turn around and bomb them in another puts that notion to rest.

methinks you are very very wrong.. it's a crucible mike.
as Doc has listed and i can go get more links if you wish.....
there is plenty of evidence to back up the hypothesis that ISIS and it's leaders are funded,backed,trained.. even in philosophy and public speaking like Al-Bagdahdi.. trained in.....ISRAEL..., and who'd have thought you'd miss a chance to have a pop at the Jews!!!!!
a precedent has been set lol
The UK.. well to be honest Scotland(hopefully independence soon) HAS THE BIGGEST OIL/GAS FIELDS IN EUROPE.. so how do you think it's benefit the UK for the oil scarcity to effect prices.... upwardly... because they would not go down would they?
Laws of economics Mike.. supply and demand...as supply dwindles prices go up... OPEC are masters of market price manipulation as has been shown in the past....
Now ..so... Britain(not for long i hoper) Has oil/gas... America.... has oil and gas... and oh.... what's that place that's been turned into rubble by Israel.....oh yeah... Gaza... has billions of barrels of gas under it............
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-...
http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/10/war-natural-gas-israeli-invasion-gazas-offsho...
So tell me mike... you seem to have completely missed the economic nenefits for the UK, the USA and Israel from the whole gamut of what's happening in the Middle East.....apart from the apartheid element by Israel towards the Palestinians.. the ghetto-isation and the potential deal with Egypt to shunt then into the Sanai desert
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Study-Allow-Gaza-population-to-expand-i...
http://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-rejects-egyptian-offer-to-settle-refu...
that gets them pesky Palestinians out the way and "neatly" solves Israels energy problems
let's get back to Isis....
leadership trained by Western/Israel intelligence, funded and equipped by... Western intelligence...... running amok "destabilising" the region.....thus destabilising the oil/gas supply as a lot of these countries have oil and i hear it's quite in demand worldwide.
So Mike.. simple economics and as Doc and myself have shown........ they are a creation of Western and Israeli intelligence from the leadership down, supplied,trained and equipped by the same and tearing about that oil/gas rich region thus creating instability and the price of oil/gas will go up....
Remember who has the biggest oil reserves in the European Union?? the UK(depending on the referendum result in 11 days!!!)..
America has a load of oil and gas and Israel wants to get a hold of the oil/gas that the people of Gaza, by just being there, are preventing them from getting thus solving for the most part the /Israeli energy crisis.Who'd have thought you'd have missed an actual Bona Fide reason to trash Israel!..LOL

Charlie Prime
mike.smith wrote:
mike.smith wrote:

How does the USA/UK benefit from increased oil instability when cheap energy would be beneficial to their floundering economies?

Mal Assumptions:

1. TPTB want the US & UK economies to prosper.

2. Political stability decreases petroleum prices.

nofunclub
@corbettreport.com

Who Is ISIS? An open source investigation
http://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-isis-an-open-source-investigation/

Who is Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi? From Al-Zarqawi to Al-Bagdahdi: “The Islamic State” is a CIA-Mossad-MI6 “Intelligence Asset”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi...

NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden doccuments showing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ea6_1405791782

there is much we don't know

nofunclub
The Covert Origins of ISIS?
nofunclub
Military Skill and Terrorist

Military Skill and Terrorist Technique Fuel Success of ISIS
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as...

Charlie Prime
21CW on Red Ice

Henrik did a good interview with Patrick Henningsen of 21st Century Wire last week about how the West & Israel run ISIS.

Long and complicated, but it you want all the details, Patrick provides them....

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/08/RIR-140829.php

pax
any response Mike?

mike.smith
How does the USA/UK benefit

How does the USA/UK benefit from increased oil instability when cheap energy would be beneficial to their floundering economies?

As far as easy management and direction goes, the USA having armed ISIS in one country only to turn around and bomb them in another puts that notion to rest.

so any response Mike seeing as how your stance/view has been shown to be quite wrong?

mike.smith
*rolleyes*

Pax, I don't have the time to sit at a computer all day. Living and working on the road means little wifi access. I actually have no computer ATM and replying to you isn't worth jacking up my data plan on my phone. So if you think a lack of an exedient reply is hiding from a question, or an inability to formulate a response, go glory in your "victory".

That being said, l am actually in agreement with you on a few matters such as evil and the love of money, but if I mention the banksters religio-ethnic commonality with Israeli's I'm a "Jew Basher". If I agree Israel has a hand in ISIS as implied by my "cui bono" statement earlier, that too will get twisted into "a cheap Jew bash". I see no point nor purpose delving into any further discussion with you period.

I will however answer one LAST question. No, I don't believe you have shown me to be wrong.

pax
mike.smith wrote:
mike.smith wrote:

Pax, I don't have the time to sit at a computer all day. Living and working on the road means little wifi access. I actually have no computer ATM and replying to you isn't worth jacking up my data plan on my phone. So if you think a lack of an exedient reply is hiding from a question, or an inability to formulate a response, go glory in your "victory".
That being said, l am actually in agreement with you on a few matters such as evil and the love of money, but if I mention the banksters religio-ethnic commonality with Israeli's I'm a "Jew Basher". If I agree Israel has a hand in ISIS as implied by my "cui bono" statement earlier, that too will get twisted into "a cheap Jew bash". I see no point nor purpose delving into any further discussion with you period.
I will however answer one LAST question. No, I don't believe you have shown me to be wrong.

you weren't shown to be wrong.. you were proven to be wrong and mostly not by me by the way
BTW you have posted racial slurs on here with ,as i recall, specific reference to "hook nosed" etc.....so you deserve the slating for it.#As for not entering into debate... you didn't really enter into an actual debate at all... you just try to snipe and attempt to link everything to da choos without proffering evidence!
If they were everything you claim.... they'd be the uber-mensch hitler had such a hard on for ...

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