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Another martial arts video thread
03-21-2008, 02:30 PM,
#1
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I just can't stop telling people about baguazhang. It is something I feel every martial artist should study.

A lot of people warn about the ineffectiveness of kung fu styles if they aren't properly trained or understood. There is a bagua sifu who posts on youtube by the name of BlackTaoist who has numerous videos showing the effectiveness of bagua particularly at full speed. You don't see that that often because it is pretty dangerous to the uke and you can tell that they've got to hurt.

Anyway check them out. There's:
The very good full speed and power demonstration.
A very cool 20 second clip of a very subtle bagua throw.

I've also spent a good amount of time watching breaking demonstrations looking for a good demonstration of chi. This has also entailed some study into breaking demonstration tricks and frauds.

Here's a good fraud. In this video the breaker holds the bricks askew with two fingers before performing the break, typically with a small grain of sand or some such object causing a slight gap on the bottom brick. This appears to be a clean demonstration of iron palm qi projection but in reality it is a clever gimmick (called tilting fyi)

But in the search for a clean demonstration I found this very convincing video. The breaker has three such videos, all less than ten seconds long. The other two are just as compelling; watch them here and here.

Here's a final example of bogus breaking from the same jokers that brought you the last one. I want to add that it takes a certain amount of training to perform a palm slapping concrete break and the faker must have worked at it to a degree but in reality it is about exaggerating one's skill.

Anyway, just some more youtube videos for you to fill your day with.
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03-21-2008, 03:01 PM,
#2
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very cool triplesix... thanks! :cool:
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03-21-2008, 07:17 PM,
#3
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This is nice, thanks. Im actually interested in Muay Thai, which is like kickboxing but deadlier and less rules. Check this film out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3R4xtjl5b4
Honestly, Kung Fu is just dancing, barely any actions lol.
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03-21-2008, 08:19 PM,
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Quote:This is nice, thanks. Im actually interested in Muay Thai, which is like kickboxing but deadlier and less rules. Check this film out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3R4xtjl5b4
Honestly, Kung Fu is just dancing, barely any actions lol.

That's what a true martial art is about. Maximizing the effect with minimal effort. Watching a true master of Tai Chi throw people around with hardly any movement is truly amazing. I'd suggest looking into arts perfected for physical and mental growth instead of just concentrating on striking arts like Muay Thai that is so celebrated by MMA today. Any fool can learn to throw a knockout punch, but to master your chi so that a knockout punch never lands is a true art. The more sublime the art, the more dangerous it is.

Thanks for the cool vids, Trip!
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03-21-2008, 08:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-21-2008, 09:03 PM by ephilution.)
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Krav Maga - No Nonsense Combat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07jnqD8wvyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKjpdWyYMc

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...mp;search_type=
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03-21-2008, 09:37 PM,
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Quote:systema has much parallels with krav maga, I think. The punches are super effective without expending lots of energy through tensing the muscles - like the same action as hitting a nail with a hammer - very relaxed..
there's some cool videos out there on youtube, systema and systemauk

peace

EDIT) it's Russian and what spetnaz train with, whereas systemauk is the validated UK version - very effective and efficient without too much frills. The training focuses on strengthening the connective tissues in the joints rather than increasing muscle mass..
Yeah Systema is Russian whereas Krav Maga is Israeli. Various official law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI, are trained in Krav Maga.

http://www.kravmaga.co.il/
http://www.krav-maga.com/law_enforcement.html

Quote:Krav Maga Worldwide Enterprises was formed in January of 1999 to expand and promote Krav Maga in the U.S. and around the world. Krav Maga is rapidly gaining in popularity and almost 10,000 people are currently studying the art. It is widely used by members of the U.S.'s local, state and federal police agencies, including the FBI, Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. Celebrities practicing Krav Maga include singer/actress Jennifer Lopez, and actresses Jennifer Garner ("Alias"), Shannon Elizabeth ("American Pie"), and Mia Kirshner ("Wolf Lake").
http://www.kravmaga.co.il/history.html
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03-21-2008, 09:57 PM,
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Jeet Kune Do - No Nonsense Combat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKuXOkm09bM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58e8Q5Txbo4&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTh8yLQJZ-I...feature=related
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03-21-2008, 11:20 PM,
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Some instructional video torrents for some of these martial arts:

Systema

Krav Maga

Rob "Razor" McCulough Muay Thai

T'ai Chi Chuan Tai Qi beginning practice Qi Gong

Tai Chi - The 24 Forms

Bruce Lee's Wing Tsun, Wing Chun Combat Essence

Original Wing Chun - Grandmaster Yip Chun
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03-21-2008, 11:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2008, 09:49 AM by triplesix.)
#9
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Hey I'm very happy to see all of the great comments.

I personally love all martial arts. Certainly a beef-cakey fellow with a year or two of muay thai is probably tough enough to protect himself in most situations. In general, people will go their entire lives without ever throwing a serious punch. To argue about efficiency and all that stuff just seems disrespectful to the arts, you know what I mean? Personally, if you are taking the time to get off your ass and learn Ugandan Peacock-style Boxing, or whatever, no matter how ineffectual it may be, as long as you recognize that, and train to be more effective, and better yourself, I see no problem with that.

Take White Crane Kung Fu, as an example. Here is a martial art that takes many years to perfect, some masters say as many as 8 or 10 years of diligent study are required to make white crane an effective form of self-defense. Some people might see this as wasted effort, and it truly might be, but only if defending yourself is the only reason you study it.

I am fascinated with baguazhang so much because it has a completely non-linear method of interacting with your opponent and it utilizes body weakness. Muay thai comes down to whether or not you are stronger and faster than your opponent, and so muay thai competitors must always desensitize their bodies, strengthen their muscles and do endless cardio. Bagua utilizes weaknesses in joint design and circular footwork to use extremely slight maneuverings to open up areas of weakness to employ "fajin" or explosive power. It is this added dimension that I find so attractive after studying many "linear" martial arts.

I learned a lot of muay thai from a good friend as a teen, he was an accomplished kickboxer frequently having title defense matches in local tournaments, as well as some shotokan, so I recognize the extreme functionality of these arts, and recommend them OVER bagua to anyone who doesn't already practice some form of martial art. However, if you study boxing, kickboxing, judo or jujitsu, I definitely recommend checking out tai chi and bagua just so as to get a more complete understanding of combat, most notably the concept of fajin that I mentioned earlier.

Fajin concepts rely on being "rooted" while "uprooting" your opponent and then utilizing small, yet complete, body movements to inject a great degree of force into an off-balance opponent, literally catapulting them away.

A very cool fajin demonstration video.

Cheers.
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03-22-2008, 12:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2008, 01:01 AM by triplesix.)
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I just smoked a blunt and it occurred to me what I left out from my previous post.

There's nothing wrong with efficiency. I would recommend that if someone was only going to study one martial art for the sole purpose of self-defense, they should study, and this is only my opinion of course, tae kwon do or karate I recommend these over jujitsu and muay thai only because muay thai is a somewhat sport oriented martial art and grappling is probably ill-advised in a life and death situation, so karate and tae kwon do have frequently employed the "fuck up and run" tactic of self-defense. Gouge the eyeballs, kick in the nads, rip an ear off, do something brutal nasty and then run like hell. (Edit: if you're lucky enough to have access to things like krav maga, systema, or similar styles, these often specialize in the "fuck up and run" type encounter). This is the ideology people should be adopting if their martial art is solely for self defense.

If you just want to be a scrappy person, western boxing, brazilian ju-jitsu and muay thai are definitely the styles I would recommend. These are the best for basic body building and technique. Lots of sparring, lots of striking, and a good base for throws and takedowns.

If you are a career martial artist, looking to study your third or so martial art, then this is the area where I would say efficiency and effectiveness become less important. This is where I'd recommend learning bagua.

Anyway, this just the way I see it.
Peace.
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03-22-2008, 02:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2008, 02:27 AM by triplesix.)
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:LOL:

It's no good if it doesn't work for you I guess.

Edit: A lot of people complain about the rigidity of Karate. A good friend of mine in High School used to train with me and he eventually stopped because of the same complaint. It was after reading a bunch of Jeet Kune Do philosophy. Unfortunately he never took up any training after that but that's neither here nor there. My point is the rigid stances in karate are not used in a fight except for the split second before a technique is executed. For example, the forward stance that's always taught in pretty much any martial art. This is the 70% weight on the forward bent leg stance. This stance is really only taken in a combat situation in the split second before a kick is executed. However it is drilled into the body extensively through stances so that it can be well executed, quickly and instinctively in combat. I can't say the same for katas. It is similar to the difference between wushu and sanshou, demonstration and application respectively. Too much sport and the martial art loses effectiveness. Whether it is from focusing on hits to the body rather than to vulnerable joints and eyes and things or from spending too much time being flashy.

I've never practiced Tae Kwon Do so I can't really speak for it. I've had a few acquaintances who studied it and they seemed capable enough to me so I assumed it was similar. I understand it to be kick oriented but they seemed well rounded. I could be wrong.
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03-22-2008, 02:30 AM,
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It's true. Sparring is important because it applies the martial art, but at the same time, it can create a positive connotation to fighting. Getting in fights in reality is an adrenaline rush but fucking scary and risky at the same time. I'd say it's similar to being in the car with an extremely drunk driver. It's not a pleasurable thing.

I agree with you there.
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03-22-2008, 07:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2008, 07:31 AM by triplesix.)
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If you're a hardcore mixed martial arts fan or a classic Jackie Chan film buff you've may have heard of Benny the Jet. I've always loved Benny's fight scene with Jackie Chan in Wheels on Meals. I think it really is one of the best fight scenes ever filmed. It was also one of only two films where Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yeun Biao and Benny the Jet all appeared in the same film. The other was an equally, or perhaps even better film, called Dragons Forever. This fight between Jackie and Benny was also pretty cool.

Outside of films though, Benny had a very illustrious full contact karate career, which was usually what mixed martial arts were called at the time. He also dabbled in muay thai before it ever hit mainstream.

Here's pretty much what youtube has to offer on Benny the Jet matches from way back:
The Jet vs. Onuki
The Jet vs. Naito
The Jet vs. Koshikawa
The Jet vs. Narongnoi
The Jet vs. Suzuki part 1
The Jet vs. Suzuki part 2
The Jet vs. Tamashiro part 1
The Jet vs. Tamashiro part 2

Well I hope you enjoyed those.
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03-22-2008, 09:19 AM,
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Tai Kwandoe is the last style I would recommend to anyboy, unless they want to get their ass kicked all over the place:confused:.

@triplesix: Thanks for the vids. Question, have you studied Wing Tsun? As far as practical application and combat goes, I can't really think of a better system. I'd like to hear your take on that though.

@ EasySkanking: Thanks for the torrents. I'm very much interested in learning more about Systema, looking forward tot the Krav Maga torrent too.

@ nik: What other styles are you familiar with?
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03-22-2008, 09:41 AM,
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I've studied Sanshou but never Wing Chun. I could be wrong but I believe Wing Chun is traditionally a Southern Chinese martial art whereas Sanshou and Shaolin styles are generally practiced in the North. My local teacher was a Beijing native and dominantly Northern style. That said I have seen a lot of Wing Chun demonstrations in the past and it did look very impressive.

I would love to study it.
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