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Time for a new plan
05-11-2008, 07:07 AM,
Time for a new plan
Quote:
Quote:If you want to change the world, begin by changing yourself.

While I appreciate the existential nature of your comment it wasn't eactly what I was going for.

To tell the truth...I'm getting the impression that even many people here aren't terribly interested in/or don't think it's worth doing anything other than talking about these issues.

Because honestly...If we here don't think anything can be done, is there any point bothering to clutter anyone elses mind with the travesties of the world? Or is there any point in further informing ourselves? We might as well flip on American Idol and zone out with the rest of them.

My point wasn't merely existential.

1) You want to save everyone. Don't expect to save everyone. Some don't want to be "saved," and are in fact quite content in their waking slumber.
2) You want everyone to change, but you don't know how you want them to change, or to what end.

That's the problem with most projects or ideas to "fight back" that I've seen, or even attempted myself. No one can agree on a plan because no one can agree on a philosophy.

Personally I think it should have something to do with the quest for truth and making information free.
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05-11-2008, 08:00 AM,
Time for a new plan
Yes money, their things, their social stautus and the survival of them and their families are whats important to people.
The problem is people are so used to their lifestyles they arent going to change it and knowing that the money system and debt as normal is a con is going to go against the convenience of their lives.
People will continue to be in denial, will ignore whatever is a threat and continue persuing their eating, sleeping, mating animal lives even if they are told their whole man made world is a lie.
Today i dont feel i can or want to save them. We all get what we ask for.
There are a few of us still conscious just keep persuing those Conscious activities and realms of thoughts.
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05-11-2008, 08:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-11-2008, 08:32 AM by mexika.)
Time for a new plan
It looks bleak!!! the Majority of people are seen as commodities, cattle by the government which serve the powerful corporations and banks - the majority of the people are being trained to be scared, to be in fear by the Nazi Governments - remember hitler - Another is that the governments are dumbing down the people because these Nazis and secret monsters understand that the people can be programmed, their mind exploited to benefit their wishes - These secret societies have have plenty of brain wash practice and exercises. What we need is either cyber revolutionaries of every kind - or some type of mental powers to read these bastards minds and predict their next steps - Black OPs like what the Nazis so much wanted to acquire and have currently within the evil elite power structure - It is not the world that is sick, just like it is not the places that are ghetto, it is the people who are dumbed down and the animal at the top who has no morality but full greed.

Another is that people of the world have to be united as one - because the NWO will use any and all divide and conquer to acquire wealth and power aka greed - but first they need to understand what is the NWO, evil bankers, and those nasty evil beasts called governments who call themselves leaders aka the devils. Some are waking up and the internet has served to some extent that purpose - The rich elite secret bastards and their evil agendas will not rest - If you have money, you want more money, if you have land and power, you want more of that - who has the money and power and resources ? corrupted entities with no morality of any kind - they do not see themselves as human but above human, in reality they are neither but beasts, demons, not animal because that would be too good for them as a label.
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

Revolution is for the love of your people, culture, knowledge, wisdom, spirit, and peace. Not Greed!
Soul Rebel Native Son


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=277...enous&hl=en
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05-11-2008, 10:09 AM,
Time for a new plan
So, what you do is keep putting the good info out there, and hope that it reaches the kind of people who can change and want to change.

But you've got to make sure you have a way to recharge you're batteries for those times that you just feel disgusted at the world. You've got to develop your own communities, societies, support groups. ConCen is one, but you can develop your own, too.

Just make sure ego and status stay out of it, and you'll stay on the right track.

Also, video (might be) related (in a way :3 ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4GKZPNDt0
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05-11-2008, 12:41 PM,
Time for a new plan
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
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05-12-2008, 05:44 AM,
Time for a new plan
Quote:If it bleeds, we can kill it.


As bad as that sounds, it is what ultimately will have to occur. It will occur and be said from either them (already saying it) and or us. The problem is, people will not awake, and there is a process that takes a long time, and beliefs and rage. I just don't think there is that time left. Those that will stand up and be counted will be maryters, eventually, after enough time passes. They will not arbitrate until we either have something they want, but can't take, or they fear a loss, neither applies these days. I look for this to get bad, physically bad eventually, even if for our side.
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05-13-2008, 03:34 AM,
Time for a new plan
Quote:My point wasn't merely existential.

1) You want to save everyone. Don't expect to save everyone. Some don't want to be "saved," and are in fact quite content in their waking slumber.
2) You want everyone to change, but you don't know how you want them to change, or to what end.

That's the problem with most projects or ideas to "fight back" that I've seen, or even attempted myself. No one can agree on a plan because no one can agree on a philosophy.

Personally I think it should have something to do with the quest for truth and making information free.

I agree...a lack of a cohesive and unified course of action is definitely problematic.


Quote:So, what you do is keep putting the good info out there, and hope that it reaches the kind of people who can change and want to change.

But you've got to make sure you have a way to recharge you're batteries for those times that you just feel disgusted at the world. You've got to develop your own communities, societies, support groups. ConCen is one, but you can develop your own, too.

Just make sure ego and status stay out of it, and you'll stay on the right track.

Also, video (might be) related (in a way :3 ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4GKZPNDt0

Really good point on ego and the need for battery recharging. It can become quite tiring, lonely, pointless and thankless.
None Are More Hopelessly Enslaved
Than Those That Falsely Believe They Are Free
- Goethe
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05-13-2008, 04:46 AM,
Time for a new plan
Quote:
Quote: This organization called Anonymous has a lot of potential.

They've kicked ass and taken names when it comes to the Church of Scientology.

It remains to be seen whether their success can translate to causes such as the Great Firewall of China, Free Tibet, Falun Gong, and the Iranian bloggers.

That's what I'm trying to find out now.

If you want to check it out, go to irc://irc.partyvan.us/#xenu or #strategy or #anonymous , I'm hanging out in all those channels.

As well as http://www.partyvan.info (currently down


Not a real organization

Its 4chan.org random boards

I took part against the Scientology raids


Oh and they wont do anything that doesnt create lulz
and is against baseless hate

wasn't 4chan and 12chan the place where people were upping childpron?
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05-13-2008, 05:13 AM,
Time for a new plan
thats 12chan man
there no associated with 4chan apart from the chan name
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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05-17-2008, 07:32 AM,
Time for a new plan
Hmm... I've since learned a great deal about Anonymous. They don't do causes, they are no one's personal army, and they do it all for the lulz. They are not an organization. More like a herd of cats or a swarm of bees. Anonymous as a whole cannot be blamed for the actions of any individual Anon, and in fact, most Anons are against pedophiles. There have been several cases where Anons trolling as 14 year old girls have successfully outed pedophiles on /b/, and had them arrested by the FBI. Serious Business.
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05-17-2008, 10:47 PM,
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Create a society the Jacque Fresco way http://www.thevenusproject.com/
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