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Time for a new plan
04-12-2008, 02:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2008, 02:43 AM by triplesix.)
#91
Time for a new plan
Quote:excuse me for the stupid question, but -
what is it exactly that the people are to wake up to ???
Hopefully at the very fucking least the false left-right dichotomy, the ability to vote for someone besides the mainstream/corporate-sponsered candidates, the media lies, etc.

Really basic shit man.

Edit: I think the problem is two-fold, not just getting people to realize this but to actually give a damn about it.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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04-12-2008, 06:35 AM,
#92
Time for a new plan
Also to wake up to the 9-11 lies, torture abuse, global warming scams, and other stuff.
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04-12-2008, 09:42 PM,
#93
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Thank you 2 for answering me.
I think that lots of folks already know that the governments are corrupt and liars, but what can they do about it.
We're limited to voting (which is pointless, because folks only vote for the front runners) or anarchy and rebellion, which gets you incarcerated or worse.

It would be great if people voted for an outsider ( i like RP), but the vast majority have been trained that it is a wasted vote. :sad:

anyhow, I wanted a clear definition of the wake-up goals, so again - thanks you guys for answering me.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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05-07-2008, 08:42 AM,
#94
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Hey, I have an idea. Let's develop our very own sub-culture with in-jokes that no one else will get, while making use of the one medium that is not controlled by the Corporatocracy.

Or better yet, just join one that already exists: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Anonymous

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Rules_of_the_internet
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05-07-2008, 06:18 PM,
#95
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Hey you guys have to understand that even though it may seen like the illuminati has touched every part of your life, you have to understand that they are humans too. They claim to be the 'elite' but they still eat, live, and die. Therefore, we the people, can and should do something to get rid of the powers they hold in office. As long as were sitting quiet here discussing the corruptions, nothing will change.

Sure they have their laws and mafia CIA to quiet us, but you have to understand that we also set up our own states which they cant invade without a fight. For example, this forum is a state. Here we have certain rules to follow, and the admins choose to ban whoever they wish. We can take advantage of these states and rebel against the Illuminati.
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05-07-2008, 10:20 PM,
#96
Time for a new plan
problem is - the real controllers aren't in any government office.

They are the unseen puppet masters.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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05-07-2008, 10:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2008, 10:56 PM by swansong.)
#97
Time for a new plan
A few disjointed thoughts to add to this discussion.

As has been mentioned already... and speaking specifically of upper North America... we are so comfortable and complacent here. We have it quite good. So good in fact that I believe it will take some calamitous event to shake people from their ignorance and force them into action.
I don't think there will be some miraculous mass awakening thanks to information provided by the internet/tv/newspapers, etc... I hope I'm wrong...but I think it will take the U.S Army crossing the Canadian border...or 3 dollar a litre gas prices...martial law...or a North American Union for people to wake up.
Having said that...I think it is terribly important that we continue to try to inform and educate.
The problem that arises tho, is what to inform people about...and then to have to answer the most difficult question "Well, what can I do about it?".
People have no problem believing their government is corrupt even tho they balk at the extent of the corruption sometimes...their problem arises when it comes time to do something about it. It falls to us, the educators, to at least provide some direction for them. That may even require spoon feeding them their congressmans/member of parliaments email addy and prewriting a letter for them to send. It's sad, I know, but people just can't seem to be bothered...mostly because they are comfortable (the war doesn't touch them, starvation doesn't touch them, they have their home and tv and they are happy...ish) and they feel helpless to do anything. That's why I like amnesty internationals styyle. They send you an email regarding an attrocity...you read about it, sign your name to a prewritten form and you learn something and take some action...no matter how minor.
The other issue is what piece of all the deception that surrounds them do we share with them first?
9/11 and secret societies are quite compelling and very dramatic...but in reality they aren't really relatable to most people. By that, I mean that while 9/11 was a horrific, tragic, dramatic event...how many people are personally affected by it? How does it affect me? Plus...as has been mentioned time and time again...getting into the discussion of 9/11 is so utterly fantastic to most that they stop listening shortly after you begin speaking.
I have begun to think that the topic that one needs to begin with is something that is near and dear to everyone's heart...MONEY. I have recently started thinking should do a documentary where I sit down with respected local business people and politicians and ask them as plainly as I can..."what is money...and where does it come from". I think the responses that would be given would be quite astonishing in that none of them would know something so apparently basic about something so amazingly central to their lives.
I have also been thinking that it might be worthwhile to rent a community center for a night and either put together a power point presentation on money...or perhaps ask for permission to show (free of charge) a video like "Money as Debt" (available on the tracker).

The other thing to think about is your audience...here on the N.A prairies people might be more inclined to listen to someone talk about genetic food modification, or the privitization of seed stocks than they would 9/11 theory.

Anyhoo...I'm going to stop there for now and await any responses you may have.
None Are More Hopelessly Enslaved
Than Those That Falsely Believe They Are Free
- Goethe
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05-09-2008, 10:47 PM,
#98
Time for a new plan
Still patiently awaiting some feedback, folks :rolleyes:
None Are More Hopelessly Enslaved
Than Those That Falsely Believe They Are Free
- Goethe
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05-09-2008, 11:22 PM,
#99
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I think everyone needs to convince everyone they know to have a shroomy psychedelic experience so they can get some fuckin' knowledge

knowledge my bredren
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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05-10-2008, 01:50 AM,
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It's going to take a miracle of nature to wake the people of the world. We can help, but we can't make them wake up against their will - it has to be done on their own accord.

First, we need to get ourselves straight before we think we can start waking others up.

If you get what I'm saying...
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05-10-2008, 03:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-10-2008, 03:25 AM by swansong.)
Time for a new plan
Quote:It's going to take a miracle of nature to wake the people of the world. We can help, but we can't make them wake up against their will - it has to be done on their own accord.

First, we need to get ourselves straight before we think we can start waking others up.

If you get what I'm saying...


I think we need to think a lil smaller than "the people of the world". Thinking in those terms does make it seem like an impossible task. We need to work closer to home. One person at a time if need be.

But we shouldn't just dump the info on them and leave them to their own devices. If we could provide them a plan of action, regardless how small.

Someone earlier said something against organizing. I don't see how we can do anything else. The "others" are certainly organized. If we aren't, we're screwed. These are our countries, after all....as corny as that may sound.

They know the power of divide and conquer...which is why unity is so important.

In the end I think the best phrase to describe what is needed is, "Think globally but act locally".

And I think we might do ourselves some good by discussing how best to do that.
None Are More Hopelessly Enslaved
Than Those That Falsely Believe They Are Free
- Goethe
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05-10-2008, 03:34 AM,
Time for a new plan
If you want to change the world, begin by changing yourself.
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05-10-2008, 04:36 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-10-2008, 04:41 AM by swansong.)
Time for a new plan
Quote:If you want to change the world, begin by changing yourself.

While I appreciate the existential nature of your comment it wasn't eactly what I was going for.

To tell the truth...I'm getting the impression that even many people here aren't terribly interested in/or don't think it's worth doing anything other than talking about these issues.

Because honestly...If we here don't think anything can be done, is there any point bothering to clutter anyone elses mind with the travesties of the world? Or is there any point in further informing ourselves? We might as well flip on American Idol and zone out with the rest of them.
None Are More Hopelessly Enslaved
Than Those That Falsely Believe They Are Free
- Goethe
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05-10-2008, 07:13 AM,
Time for a new plan
Traxus 1V said
"I am really sorry to rain on this parade but Anonymous is made up of the dredges of 4chan; mainly furries, hentai fans, and child porn fans. That might sound extreme, but it is fairly accurate. There is a very specific reason why they went "anonymous" in the beginning. Though, taking down Scientology is sweet, I would never associate with them. "

Hey i ran into the Anonymous people the other day. They were protestig against the scientlogy centre. While I think this cult is possibley quite destructive I would think fighting the NWO at the root would be better.
I didnt know it was an international thing.
They had V for Vendetta masks too which fascinated me int he first place. But when i spoke to one of them I dont think he was even aware of the film and its message. lol
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05-11-2008, 06:22 AM,
Time for a new plan
Quote:Still patiently awaiting some feedback, folks :rolleyes:
Quote:To tell the truth...I'm getting the impression that even many people here aren't terribly interested in/or don't think it's worth doing anything other than talking about these issues.

Because honestly...If we here don't think anything can be done, is there any point bothering to clutter anyone elses mind with the travesties of the world? Or is there any point in further informing ourselves? We might as well flip on American Idol and zone out with the rest of them.

This is why I asked, "what is it exactly that the people are to wake up to ???"

Quote:I have also been thinking that it might be worthwhile to rent a community center for a night and either put together a power point presentation on money...or perhaps ask for permission to show (free of charge) a video like "Money as Debt" (available on the tracker).

Yes, teaching peeps that about the illusion of money, and the reality of enslavement by debt, would be helpful IMO.


Also, I think that we should get the peeps to realized that the governments can't keep us safe, no matter how many rights or how much privacy we hand over to them. Almost forgot technology - or how much technology we create and use. Yes, technology maybe useful at times, but we need to show people how it can be used against us. People need to get upset over cars that can sell them out !!!

( I want my privacy back ! I want to be able to purchase things privately, without be marketed to ! I want to go where ever I please within my meager budget, without being tracked by toll roads or gps ! I want to be able to wreck my car without onstar informing some one that I did ! I want to be able to drive & communicate, without a computer guessing my mood ! - on & on & on ....)


Plus, it would be helpful to show christians that the rapture is not biblical (tho, I can't get them to believe me on this, but I still try) I know some here seem to despise christianity, however this large population of peeps could be very helpful, if so many of them didn't believe that they were going to raptured away, before anything too bad happens. Yes, they have been brainwashed into believing this, there are whole bible studies based on why it is true. Yet, I can find NO proof for this belief personally in the book, I've looked many times but it isn't there.

disclaimer - not ALL folks who fall under the label "christian" believe in the rapture.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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