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A Question for Christians on God
04-02-2008, 06:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-02-2008, 06:43 PM by LoopRadar.)
#91
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:@Tesla

The ten commandments are supposed to be a guide for us in this life, since it is this life that determines where we go after we die. When you go to heaven, you will not be the same person you are now. Your heart will have all filthiness and hatred removed and you will be enlightened. On the other hand, people in hell will have their hearts become filthy black with greed and hatred.

Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
There is, to me, some obvious problems in that reasoning.
If they are merely 'guides', you can interpret them, right? So where is the truth in something you can bend to suit the circumstances?
Second, if the 'rules' determening wether or not you go to heaven can be interpreted, how do you know if you'll ever be "on the list" to get in?
If you're not the same person when you die as when you where alive, doing whatever, how can you be held responsible for something you might have done wrong, but at the moment thought were absolutely the right thing?
I have serious problem with this whole "heaven/hell" dichotomy, sounds like bad campaign slogans.
How can anyone know that their doing the right/wrong thing? What is it I might be doing that possibly excludes me from taking part in this big party in the sky? It's not making sense. I compute and the result, every single time is; "syntax error"!!!

LR

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MasterMG Wrote:Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
Not to take the p***, but that might be considered a 'freudian slip'... :wink:
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04-03-2008, 01:09 AM,
#92
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote: I got a friend that is Jehovah's Witness and sends me stuff time and again, I read it. She is a nice person and not pushy. She voices her opinion, and I listen out of respect, all dogma has some good and bad and I figure that I can seperate it. At the same time she is old and set in her ways, and we have much more to talk about. My wife had a fit at first, then again, if you are firm in your beliefs, it should not matter, and I might even learn something new, and usually do. Then again, everybody I have met has something to learn from.

Most were surprized when 7 months later, biopsies revealed a NHL they could not cure (all cancers can be cured), I smiled. The doctor thought I was crazy, my wife cried, actually for the next 54 miles. I remember the dr telling me I was either in shock or not accepting it. Like I told her then, if you see what I have seen, felt what I have felt, know what I now know ... you would understand. The problem is, it is without words.
Nominated as 'Smartest Human Insight Post' of the year! :smile:
Cheers hilly! Absolutely and totally cool post.

LR

Thanks, but I am far from that. I have not awoken a day that I did not learn something new, that makes life worth living.
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04-03-2008, 02:41 AM,
#93
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: I got a friend that is Jehovah's Witness and sends me stuff time and again, I read it. She is a nice person and not pushy. She voices her opinion, and I listen out of respect, all dogma has some good and bad and I figure that I can seperate it. At the same time she is old and set in her ways, and we have much more to talk about. My wife had a fit at first, then again, if you are firm in your beliefs, it should not matter, and I might even learn something new, and usually do. Then again, everybody I have met has something to learn from.

Most were surprized when 7 months later, biopsies revealed a NHL they could not cure (all cancers can be cured), I smiled. The doctor thought I was crazy, my wife cried, actually for the next 54 miles. I remember the dr telling me I was either in shock or not accepting it. Like I told her then, if you see what I have seen, felt what I have felt, know what I now know ... you would understand. The problem is, it is without words.
Nominated as 'Smartest Human Insight Post' of the year! :smile:
Cheers hilly! Absolutely and totally cool post.

LR

Thanks, but I am far from that. I have not awoken a day that I did not learn something new, that makes life worth living.
My point exactly.
You're good, just break down and admit it. :wink:
Dood, just have some love... :laugh: (The Only Thing You Cannot Refuse!!!)

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04-03-2008, 03:06 AM,
#94
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote:@Tesla

The ten commandments are supposed to be a guide for us in this life, since it is this life that determines where we go after we die. When you go to heaven, you will not be the same person you are now. Your heart will have all filthiness and hatred removed and you will be enlightened. On the other hand, people in hell will have their hearts become filthy black with greed and hatred.

Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
There is, to me, some obvious problems in that reasoning.
If they are merely 'guides', you can interpret them, right? So where is the truth in something you can bend to suit the circumstances?
Second, if the 'rules' determening wether or not you go to heaven can be interpreted, how do you know if you'll ever be "on the list" to get in?
If you're not the same person when you die as when you where alive, doing whatever, how can you be held responsible for something you might have done wrong, but at the moment thought were absolutely the right thing?
I have serious problem with this whole "heaven/hell" dichotomy, sounds like bad campaign slogans.
How can anyone know that their doing the right/wrong thing? What is it I might be doing that possibly excludes me from taking part in this big party in the sky? It's not making sense. I compute and the result, every single time is; "syntax error"!!!

LR

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MasterMG Wrote:Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
Not to take the p***, but that might be considered a 'freudian slip'... :wink:

Not to butt in, but I think the 10 commandments are rules, and really not bad ones as well. They the rules, not open to interpentation or alteration, and no loop holes. Imagine, no lawyers, politicians, or those that thgink we need them interpeted. Dogma alters them. Now as far as being held accountable to them I think we are. Most , if not all of these are practised by religious and nonreligious. To live without them, is, well, look at TPTB. Everybody has freedom, but that does not extent into another's freedom. Everybody is happy, and happy is what you want to be, not achieve. I found out a long time ago the hard way, nobody can make someone else happy, they've got to want to be happy.

Only the best get in Heaven, but then again, there is a new earth, new means many things. I actually don't expect to get into Heaven, but that is fine with me. I will be honored to be where I was before, and feel the same way as before. Now if everybody was invited to either place, it would be as it is here. Since we all have free will, the actual choice is up to us, each individual. Some of my friends have had questions answered, I guess that I was just not smart enough to ask anything, I knew whatever I needed to.

We do become different, and I am not sure I can explain it to you, I can't even explain it to me. I guess it is one of those things that you have to experience. The faults, limitations, associations will be gone, but one has to first, have some inside to begin with, and work to attain a better self. That starts, IMO, by judging ourselves instead of everybody else, for when we measure ourself to another fallowable being, we are already lacking. I had an uncle, kind and gentle who became an acholic, and it was his choice to drink, it just got ahold of him. Does that make me better, no. He made a bad choice, yet if I had burried my own child from murder, then had my mom die in my arms 8 months later, would I have done differently? I would like to thank so, but then again, by the Grace of God, I can never honestly answer that question. At the same time, Gearld's heart was bigger than mine, and he was a gentle person, moreso than I.

The error you are getting is good, as long as you seek to achieve a better you. There is a voice inside that says what is right and wrong, that is God's voice. Let me say, we are not God or even gods. We could go back in time with a lighter, and be called gods, but that would not make us gods. It might build the ego, but lies often do just that, in the end, truth emerges. Dogma plays a part in learning God, and it is not always a bad part, it just depends upon who's prescribing it. By that, I'm saying all divisions of religion can have both good and bad, depending upon what is interpeted. Then again, this was about God, and I may be off track. Think of it as you want to run a Marathon, but you have sat on the couch until you are 40 watching it on TV. Who will be better at the race, the person who has practised, or the one that knows all about it, but hasn't built the body and mind needed to preform it. Of course some Dogma gets you ready for the eating competition when you want to run the Marathon.

It's not a party in the sky, but also, it's not quite the reunion that is called either. I told my wife, there is a complete love, a perfect love that surrounds you, and is strong enough to energise you so that you can share it. I read this and for years laughed at this, but it's true, God's love is far more superior than we are capable of giving, except when we stand in His. You will not worry if you made it to the top (man's terms), for it's all good. You will know you're loved ones, but you love each and every person the same. There is no difference, no husband and wife, no siblings, no parents, everybody is equal, everybody is loved and accepted. That is as good as I can put it, corny, but true. As I said before, I wish there were words to describe ... sadly, there is not.
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04-03-2008, 03:15 AM,
#95
A Question for Christians on God
Speaking of the Ten Commandments...

Quote:Researcher: Moses was tripping at Mount Sinai
By Ofri Ilani

"And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the horn, and the mountain smoking." Thus the book of Exodus describes the impressive moment of the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai.

The "perceiving of the voices" has been interpreted endlessly since these words were first written. When Professor Benny Shanon, professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, reads the verse, he recalls a powerful hallucinatory experience he had when he visited the Amazon and drank a potion made from a plant called ayahuasca.
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"One of the things that happens when you drink the potion is a visual experience created via sounds," he says.

Shanon presents a provocative theory in an article published this week in the philosophy journal Time and Mind. The religious ceremonies of the Israelites included the use of psychotropic materials that can found in the Negev and Sinai, he says. "I have no direct proof of this interpretation," and such proof cannot be expected, he says. However, "it seems logical that something was altered in people's consciousness. There are other stories in the Bible that mention the use of plants: for example, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden."

Shanon, former head of the Hebrew University psychology department, said his first experience with ayahuasca was in 1991 when he was invited to a religious ceremony in the northern Amazon in 1991 in Brazil. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," he says. Since that time, he has used it hundreds of times, and has published a book about the plant.

"Hypotheses have been around for 20 years connecting the beginning of religions with psychoactive materials," Shanon says. He believes the Israelites used two plants in Sinai and the Negev: one of them is wild rue, a hallucinogen used by the Bedoin to this day. However this plant is not identified with any plant mentioned in the Bible.

The acacia tree also has psychedelic properties, Shanon says, which the Israelites could have used. The acacia is mentioned frequently in the Bible, and was the type of wood of which the Ark of the Covenant was made. According to Shanon, he drank a potion prepared from a species of acacia while he was in South America, which caused similar experiences to those produced by the ayahuasca.

Shanon also sees signs of a hallucinogenic vision in the story of the burning bush.

"Moses 'looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed,'" Shanon quotes from Exodus 3:2. Time passes differently when under the influence of the plant, he notes. "That's why Moses thought the bush was not consumed. It should have been burned in the time he thought had passed. And in that time, he heard God speaking to him."

"But not everyone who uses a plant like this brings the Torah," Shanon concedes. "For that, you have to be Moses."
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04-03-2008, 03:17 AM,
#96
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:@Tesla

The ten commandments are supposed to be a guide for us in this life, since it is this life that determines where we go after we die. When you go to heaven, you will not be the same person you are now. Your heart will have all filthiness and hatred removed and you will be enlightened. On the other hand, people in hell will have their hearts become filthy black with greed and hatred.

Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.

I still consider myself to be a Christian, but I'm not up on the Dogma taught these days. I agree with the we will be perfect, and even the best of people pale in comparison to the Creator. Not sure about Hell though, but I think those that go there are already that way. I've talked with those that went to Hell, and those that absolutely nothing happened, which must be a Hell of it's own accord. The few that nothing happened, both religious and not, seem in pain, and afraid. They seem hopeless in their thought of themselves, and jealous of others. Almost like a Hell on earth. Those that say they went to Hell, more often seem to search for God, many did not believe in His existance before that journey.
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04-03-2008, 03:40 AM,
#97
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:Speaking of the Ten Commandments...

Quote: Researcher: Moses was tripping at Mount Sinai
By Ofri Ilani

"And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the horn, and the mountain smoking." Thus the book of Exodus describes the impressive moment of the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai.

The "perceiving of the voices" has been interpreted endlessly since these words were first written. When Professor Benny Shanon, professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, reads the verse, he recalls a powerful hallucinatory experience he had when he visited the Amazon and drank a potion made from a plant called ayahuasca.
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"One of the things that happens when you drink the potion is a visual experience created via sounds," he says.

Shanon presents a provocative theory in an article published this week in the philosophy journal Time and Mind. The religious ceremonies of the Israelites included the use of psychotropic materials that can found in the Negev and Sinai, he says. "I have no direct proof of this interpretation," and such proof cannot be expected, he says. However, "it seems logical that something was altered in people's consciousness. There are other stories in the Bible that mention the use of plants: for example, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden."

Shanon, former head of the Hebrew University psychology department, said his first experience with ayahuasca was in 1991 when he was invited to a religious ceremony in the northern Amazon in 1991 in Brazil. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," he says. Since that time, he has used it hundreds of times, and has published a book about the plant.

"Hypotheses have been around for 20 years connecting the beginning of religions with psychoactive materials," Shanon says. He believes the Israelites used two plants in Sinai and the Negev: one of them is wild rue, a hallucinogen used by the Bedoin to this day. However this plant is not identified with any plant mentioned in the Bible.

The acacia tree also has psychedelic properties, Shanon says, which the Israelites could have used. The acacia is mentioned frequently in the Bible, and was the type of wood of which the Ark of the Covenant was made. According to Shanon, he drank a potion prepared from a species of acacia while he was in South America, which caused similar experiences to those produced by the ayahuasca.

Shanon also sees signs of a hallucinogenic vision in the story of the burning bush.

"Moses 'looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed,'" Shanon quotes from Exodus 3:2. Time passes differently when under the influence of the plant, he notes. "That's why Moses thought the bush was not consumed. It should have been burned in the time he thought had passed. And in that time, he heard God speaking to him."

"But not everyone who uses a plant like this brings the Torah," Shanon concedes. "For that, you have to be Moses."
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lol, Had a friend once that saw Teradactals coming at him as he entered the pool hall. Played the highest score on the pinball machine, then passed out. Had a lead guitarist thought he was jogging in Heaven on clouds, until he ran into an old couple waiting on another old couple to come to the truck to go to church. Jogging away in his shorts, he crashed, realized he was stoned, and jogged back. lol. The thing is, people have always done stuff like that, but knew it wasn't real.

You gotta look at the words could have used, theory, and others to see the real purpose behind this thought. There is a battle for you and I, and everyone else, raging on, and has for years. It is because we count, we are valuable. If TPTB can make you think you are an accident of nature, have no hope, have no purpose, have no goal, they can walk over you. If they can make you think you are evil, or on a trip, so be it. Whatever it takes to get to you.


My kids freak out because I have no fear of any man (or woman, except my wife when she's pissed). The only person that can really kill you is you. All a man can do is kill the body, and anybody can do that, but I do fear the man that can kill my soul. The thing is, I have to let him have the ability to kill my soul, or spirit, if you will. We each have that control. The same people that wrote something like that ocassionally envade the NDE Experiencer's part, and are figured out real fast and deleated. They seldom try, but they do ocassionally try. Usually, the focus their strengths on others that they know will not know better.

I don't like having rules, and perhaps if these were not good rules, I would say somebody made them up or was high. Thing about it is, they are good rules. TPTB work on religious people similar, they say ask and it shall be given. They will tell them they are forgiven no matter what. They say to judge everybody (Homeland Security), except of course, themselves. For those not in religion, they say that either nothing is real, or do as you will (Anton Levy). If there is an angle, they've got it covered.
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04-03-2008, 04:14 AM,
#98
A Question for Christians on God
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MasterMG Wrote:Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
Not to take the p***, but that might be considered a 'freudian slip'... :wink:

Freud the psychologist? You know he's discredited among psychologists with Ph.D's. Thats what my psychology teacher (with Ph.D) told us. Only the lowly educated pychologists with bachelors make refrences to him. That is why they teach people about Freud in schools, because the teachers only have their bachelors lol.

I know you will argue with me about this, talk to my professor about it if you wish.
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04-03-2008, 04:36 AM,
#99
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote:
MasterMG Wrote:Thats from my Islamic prospective so if im wrong from the Christian viewpoint, correct me.
Not to take the p***, but that might be considered a 'freudian slip'... :wink:

Freud the psychologist? You know he's discredited among psychologists with Ph.D's. Thats what my psychology teacher (with Ph.D) told us. Only the lowly educated pychologists with bachelors make refrences to him. That is why they teach people about Freud in schools, because the teachers only have their bachelors lol.

I know you will argue with me about this, talk to my professor about it if you wish.
Go on buddy, have a laugh...! :freaked:
I'm not the 'originater' of that phrasing, you type, I read... :wink:
Don't take it for anything else than what it says... Y'a-kno?
We're all just (all together now:) human beans...

I'm just a nudge on the shadow-side of your brain. :wink:

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04-03-2008, 05:04 AM,
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:I don't like having rules, and perhaps if these were not good rules, I would say somebody made them up or was high. Thing about it is, they are good rules. TPTB work on religious people similar, they say ask and it shall be given. They will tell them they are forgiven no matter what. They say to judge everybody (Homeland Security), except of course, themselves. For those not in religion, they say that either nothing is real, or do as you will (Anton Levy). If there is an angle, they've got it covered.

Don't knock being high on DMT, what's in ayahuasca. It's not a tool for the NWO. It's a naturally occurring chemical in the brain and is quite a trip. Pun intended. It is released in the largest amounts at birth and death... something else you might find very interesting.
While most folks brush it off as "another bad drug", it's been used for spiritual growth, healing and insight for as long as there have been humans on this rock. From the research I've been doing into it, I can say that the insight and intuitive (for lack of a better word) knowledge brought back from these journeys is just amazing. An article posted by nik here, is a fascinating read into the ceremonies. Some folks see it as a more direct route to god as in a spirit journey for a personal visit. It is a different beast from other psychedelics in a big way.

So instead of disputing the validity of the commandments, it confirms their wisdom from a different angle.
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equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

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04-03-2008, 05:57 AM,
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote: I don't like having rules, and perhaps if these were not good rules, I would say somebody made them up or was high. Thing about it is, they are good rules. TPTB work on religious people similar, they say ask and it shall be given. They will tell them they are forgiven no matter what. They say to judge everybody (Homeland Security), except of course, themselves. For those not in religion, they say that either nothing is real, or do as you will (Anton Levy). If there is an angle, they've got it covered.

Don't knock being high on DMT, what's in ayahuasca. It's not a tool for the NWO. It's a naturally occurring chemical in the brain and is quite a trip. Pun intended. It is released in the largest amounts at birth and death... something else you might find very interesting.
While most folks brush it off as "another bad drug", it's been used for spiritual growth, healing and insight for as long as there have been humans on this rock. From the research I've been doing into it, I can say that the insight and intuitive (for lack of a better word) knowledge brought back from these journeys is just amazing. An article posted by nik here, is a fascinating read into the ceremonies. Some folks see it as a more direct route to god as in a spirit journey for a personal visit. It is a different beast from other psychedelics in a big way.

So instead of disputing the validity of the commandments, it confirms their wisdom from a different angle.

My bad. Thanks for the read. I'm showing my age here ... and lack of intelligence. lol. I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine . Just make sure which spirits you are finding, good or bad. I'll just stay safely high on ignorance, or life, but to each his own. B)
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04-06-2008, 04:51 PM,
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:Hell, is NOT forever.

say what ?:shocked:
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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04-09-2008, 09:56 PM,
A Question for Christians on God
Hell is probably "forever" in mans terms but dies out after certain time. It cound be for one minute of punishment but is so horrible it feels like forever. Who knows, we"ll just have to wait and see.
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04-11-2008, 02:22 AM,
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:
Quote:Hell, is NOT forever.

say what ?:shocked:
Well hello there stranger !!! :-)
Glad to see you around, next time take your shoes off and stay awhile.

YES, that is what I said,
and I believe it - regardless of what the pope and catholic catechisms say.

To me, the scriptures are clear, Jesus came to save us from the 2nd death.
Throughout the whole bible the theme is death for unbelievers. This "forever" torment theology is inconsistent with the word as a whole, and I believe to be a false fear based control mechanism.
Jesus didn't come to control us but to set us free !!!

Death -
"You will return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
-Genesis 3:19

"The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."
-Ecclesiastes 9:5

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."
-Psalm 146:3, 4
ect...


Satan has succeeded in making men believe that the words of God, "The soul that sinneth it shall die," mean that the soul that sinneth it shall not die, but live eternally in misery.

The doctrine of eternal torment has been invented by the devil to turn men away from God. It was then brought to the masses via Plato, Socrates, Tertullian, ect...

If God would do such a thing, he surely could not be called a God of love or justice.



I can only find one line in the book that would lead me to believe forever torment in hell, and read with critical thinking, scripture compared to scripture, it seems clear to me that God only has "forever" plans for Satan, the beast and false prophet - Rev.20:10
The Bible reveals that "everlasting fire, is prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41.


Hell is the temporary dwelling, but the Lake of Fire/2nd death, will destroy Hell, the Universe and all that belong to this current order.
They will be permanently destroyed never to live again in the new order to come (not to be confused with the anti-christ's NWO)


-Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Isaiah 65:17
Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Revelation 21:1-2
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.



PERISH : The Greek word for perish according to the Strongs Concordance, means to destroy fully, die or mar.


2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Romans 2:12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

2 Corinthians 4:3
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

*John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

ect...

DESTRUCTION : The Greek word for 'Destruction' according to the Strongs Concordance, can mean the following: Perdition, waste, to die, destroying, utter destruction of vessels, ruin.


Romans 9 22
What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?

Matthew 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

Philippians 3:19
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
(notice the destruction is everlasting, not the punishment)

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

ect.......



Quote:... having said that i went to a Jehovah's Witness service about a year back but for some strange reason they've not invited me again - nor do they knock on my door any more, perhaps they don't like my tea:confused:
The one thing that I do know about the Jehovah's Witness people - they do not drink tea.
I offered them some once and the reply - "no, we are not allowed to drink it due to the tannic acid."
I was a bit put off by them refusing to drink it for such a reason, I wish they just would of said no, period. For their guide book the bible, says that they can drink the tea I offered if the wanted to. That it is clean and permissible.
It must be a very controlling group.
I Like Tea, - tho i haven't enjoyed this thread like I do a good cup of tea.

Notice the thread started never came back.

Quote:well... it is true she didn't fire any individual gnostic/psychopath bullets, it was more like spraying the crowd
agreed


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and just to throw it in, But not for anyone personally

the original question was for "christians" - those believing in Jesus Christ.

Glad that you guys are finding so much to agree with each other about the concept of God, but if it doesn't center around Jesus and the salvation plan presented through him, then you are not a "christian"


all three of the mono-thestic religions believe in Satan/Dajal/devil.

Satan's plan according to Jesus, - is to deny Jesus.
Satan doesn't care if you believe in God, only Jesus.
The plan is rejection of Jesus.
Satan is the accuser, who accusses men night and day before God, but those accusations are ineffective over those that have been washed clean, through faith.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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04-11-2008, 03:23 AM,
A Question for Christians on God
Quote:The one thing that I do know about the Jehovah's Witness people - they do not drink tea.
I offered them some once and the reply - "no, we are not allowed to drink it due to the tannic acid."
yeah, that's true, Deji drank juice or water - same with the Mormons. they never came back either :biggrin:
didn't know it was about tannic acid though.

Quote:and just to throw it in, But not for anyone personally

the original question was for "christians" - those believing in Jesus Christ.
not sure if i'm included, but i believe, just not sure i understand him the way you/others do.

love,

j
Vitam Impendere Vero
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