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Another interesting forum using IPB
05-18-2008, 01:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-18-2008, 01:07 AM by ---.)
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Another interesting forum using IPB
A bunch of education professionals. nice use of the board seems like the debate is pretty open to considering many conspiracies..

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8945
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05-19-2008, 11:39 AM,
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Another interesting forum using IPB
Adolf Hitler

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Hitler at Nazi party rally Note the [Catholic] Church of our Lady [liebfrauenkirche] in the background. Photo taken in Nuremberg, Germany (circa 1928). [Posted at 20th Century History, from US Holocaust Museum] The date is important. It shows that Hitler was a Catholic years before he came to power.
Jesuit Manipulated Catholic Nazis, http://spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html

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Church & State. Hitler in front of the Church of our Lady in Nuremberg, Sept. 1934. Photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann. [Source: US Holocaust Museum]
The Pictures Accuse: The Catholic Church and Nazism in Germany and Croatia, Read here: http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

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Pope Pius XII's ambassador, Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, celebrating Hitler's birthday. On April 20, 1939, (Archbishop) Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pope Pius XII, when he preceded Orsenigo as Papal Nuncio to Germany) became a tradition. Each year, in the name of the Catholic bishops and the dioceses in Germany, April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Breslau sent "warmest congratulations to the Führer, with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." (Source: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/RC_scandal-2.html

"Thus the Catholic Church is more secure than ever. It can be predicted that, as passing phenomena vanish away, she will remain as a beacon light amid these vanishing elements, attracting blind adherents in ever-increasing numbers."
Adolf Hitler quoted in Leo Lehmann's - Behind the Dictators, p26. read online here:
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...d3d0fbf71a249de

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”
(Adolf Hitler, from John Toland [Pulitzer Prize winner], Adolf Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507.)

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

“And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Stuttgart, February 15, 1933. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

“Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”
( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 383. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

“National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State. For their part the churches cannot for a second doubt that they need the protection of the State, and that only through the State can they be enabled to fulfill their religious mission. Indeed, the churches demand this protection from the State.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a Radio Broadcast July 22, 1933; from My New Order. )

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

“There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.

“The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Koblenz, August 26, 1934.)

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

Hitler states that it was "the highest duty of the top leadership of the National Socialist movement to offer the sharpest opposition to any attempt" to involve the Nazis in fighting "Ultramontanism." The term "Ultramontanism" is defined differently by different factions in the Catholic Church, but all agree that it means (at least) a Catholic Church organizationally/ideologically dominated by the Bishop of Rome, i.e., the Pope, who is viewed as infallible. So Hitler was saying the Nazis should *support* having the Pope dominate the Catholic Church even as he was fighting the Catholic party, the Center Party.
The Pictures Accuse: The Catholic Church and Nazism in Germany and Croatia, Read here: http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

He [Hitler] himself admitted it when he said: "I am only a clarion". M. Francois-Poncet, then French ambassador to Berlin, confirms that Hitler worked very little, was not a reader and let his collaborators have their own way. His helpers gave the same impression of emptiness and unreality. The first one, Rudolf Hess, who flew to England in 1941, looked on his own trial at Nuremberg as a total stranger, and we never learned if he was completely insane or just a lunatic. The second one was the grotesque Goering, vain and obese, who wore the most spectacular comic-opera uniforms, a glutton, a great robber of paintings and, to top it all, a morphine drug addict.
The other main personalities of the party bore the same resemblance and, at the trials of Nuremberg, it was one of the journalists greatest surprises to have to report that—apart from their own particular defects— these Nazi heroes lacked in intellect, character, and were more or less insignificant. The only one who stood above that vulgar mob—because of his astuteness and not his moral worth—was Franz von Papen the chamberlain of His holiness, "the man for every job"... who was bound to be acquitted.

Jesuit Manipulated Catholic Nazis, http://spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

But let us see, first, how an especially "authorised" personality, Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ, expressly confirmed the collusion between the Vatican and the nazis. According to "Reforme", this is what the press of the Spanish dictator (Franco) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death:
"[color=blue]Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory"
"Reforme", 21st of July 1945;
Jesuit Manipulated Catholic Nazis, http://spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916
General Brainquirks:http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com

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05-19-2008, 11:42 AM,
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Nazism connected with Jesuitism

"Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and most members of the party's "old guard" were Catholics", wrote M. Frederic Hoffet. "It was not by accident that, because of its chiefs' religion, the National-socialist government was the most Catholic Germany ever had... This kinship between National-socialism and Catholicism is most striking if we study closely the propaganda methods and the interior organisation of the party. On that subject, nothing is more instructive than Joseph Goebbel's works. He had been brought up in a Jesuit college and was a seminarist before devoting himself to literature and politics... Every page, every line of his writings recall the teaching of his masters; so he stresses obedience... the contempt for truth... "Some lies are as useful as bread!" he proclaimed by virtue of a moral relativism extracted from Ignatius of Loyola's writings..." Frederic Hoffet: "L'lmperialisme protestant" (Flammarion, Paris 1948, pp.172 ss.)
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

Their first main effort was to employ Black Pope Vladimir (Wlodimir) Ledochowski’s strategy of bringing the Catholic nations of central and eastern Europe together into a pan-German federation. To head the federation, Ledochowski required a charismatic leader charged with subduing the communistic Soviet Union on the east, Protestant Prussia, Protestant Great Britain, and republican France on the west, Ledochowski chose the Catholic militarist Adolph Hitler, who told Bishop Bernind of Osnabruch in 1936 that
There was [no] fundamental difference between National Socialism and the Catholic Church. Had not the church, he argued, looked upon Jews as parasites and shut them into ghettos? “I am only doing,” he boasted, “what the church has done for fifteen hundred years, only more effectively.” Hitler's Pope - The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell.
Continuing the Counter-Reformation into the 20th Century, http://continuingcounterreformation.blogsp...edochowski.html

“…Kurt Heinrich Himmler [was] chief of the Gestapo [i.e., the secret police force of the German Nazi state], which meant he held in his hand the essential reins of power of the [Nazi] regime. Was it his personal merits which earned him such a high position? Did Hitler see in him a superior genius when he compared him [i.e., Heinrich Himmler] to the creator of the Jesuit Order [i.e., Ignatius of Loyola]? It is certainly not what the testimonies of those who knew him imply, as they saw in him nothing more than mediocrity.

Was that ‘star’ [of Heinrich Himmler] shining with a borrowed ‘brightness’? Was it really Kurt Heinrich Himmler, the ostensible [i.e., apparent] chief, who actually reigned over the Gestapo and the secret services? Who was sending millions of people, deported for political reasons, and Jews to their death? Was it the flat-faced nephew or [was it] the [Jesuit priest] uncle, the former Canon at the Court of Bavaria, one of [Jesuit Superior General] Ledochowski’s favorites, a Jesuit ‘father’ and superior officer of the [Nazi] SS?”

Edmond Paris (The Secret History of the Jesuits; 1975; Page 168)

“It Is Simply Amazing!” By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” June 28, 2006
http://www.gordoncomstock.com/eberhart/Simply_Amazing.htm

“A clever masquerade has always been characteristic of the political activities of Jesuit Catholicism. Jesuitry is a word in all our dictionaries that is defined as synonymous with subtle duplicity . . . History is witness to the undeniable fact that the Jesuit Order, founded in 1540 for the express purpose of counter-Reformation, has excelled in the art of Machiavellian duplicity. It is an organization founded on military lines to fight for the political restoration of the Roman Papacy, and is the only order in the Catholic Church that binds its members by special oath for this purpose . . . [The] counter-Reformation activities of Jesuit Catholicism . . . led to the rise and present successes of Nazi-Fascism against the liberalizing effects of the Protestant Reformation . . . .Hitler himself admits that he was helped by the methods of the Jesuit counter-Reformation to carry on his ideological war . . . [We] have witnessed Catholicism’s open support of every step taken by Nazi-Fascism to impose authoritarian regimes upon all peoples . . . the Fascist regime in Italy…Hitler’s National Socialism . . . Mussolini’s conquest of Ethiopia . . . Japan’s invasion of China . . . its [the Vatican’s] alliance with Franco . . . After Pearl Harbor the Vatican accepted General Ken Harada as Ambassador from Tokyo to the Holy See . . .We can go even so far as to state that Nazi-Fascism had its origin in the Society of Jesus, and that, like other movements in the past analogous to Fascism today, it was planned to serve the traditional aims of the disciples of Ignatius Loyola.”
Leo H. Lehmann, 1942; Irish Ex-Priest - Behind the Dictators
Quotes in Vatican Assassins II - Phelps, p478.

Hitler himself stated, "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits. Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party."
JESUITS HELPED TO START TWO WORLD WARS, Read here: http://www.remnantofgod.org/jeswar.htm or http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=49884

Walter Schellenberg, former chief of Nazi counter-espionage made this statement: "The S.S. organization had been constituted by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. Their regulations and the Spiritual Exercises prescribed by Ignatius of Loyola were the model Himmler tried to copy exactly. Himmler's title as supreme chief of the S.S. was to be the equivalent of the Jesuits' 'General' and the whole structure was a close imitation of the Catholic Church's hierarchical order."
JESUITS HELPED TO START TWO WORLD WARS, Read here: http://www.remnantofgod.org/jeswar.htm or http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=49884

“I have learnt most of all from the Jesuit Order. …So far, there has been nothing more imposing on earth than the hierarchical organization of the [Roman] Catholic Church. A good part of that organization I have transported direct to my own [Nazi] party. …The [Roman] Catholic Church must be held up as an example. …I will tell you a secret. I am founding an order [Ed. Note: the Nazi SS]. …In [Heinrich] Himmler [who would become head of the Nazi SS] I see our Ignatius de Loyola [Ed. Note: the founder of the Jesuit Order].”
Adolf Hitler (1889-1945; Nazi leader of Germany from 1933-1945)

“It Is Simply Amazing!” By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” June 28, 2006 http://www.gordoncomstock.com/eberhart/Simply_Amazing.htm

Hitler did not award the palm of Jesuitism to his chief of propaganda, though to the Gestapo's chief, as he told his favourites: "I can see Himmler as our Ignatius of Loyola"Adolf Hitler: "Libres propos" (Flammarion, Paris 1952, p.164)
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

[...]within the SS Central Security Service, an organisation was created, and most of its main posts were held by Catholic priests wearing the black uniform of the SS. The Jesuit Father Himmler was one of its superior officers.

After the Third Reich's capitulation, the Jesuit Father Himmler was arrested and imprisoned at Nuremberg. His hearing by the international tribunal would have apparently been most interesting, but Providence was keeping a watchful eye: Heinrich Himmler's uncle never appeared before that court. One morning, he WAS FOUND DEAD IN HIS CELL, and the public never learned the cause of his death.

We will not insult the memory of this cleric by supposing that he willingly ended his days, against the solemn teaching laws of the Roman Church. Nevertheless, his death was as sudden and opportune as the one of another Jesuit, sometime before, Father Staempfle, the unrecognised author of 'Mein Kampf'. Strange coincidence indeed...
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

The Jesuits [however] were greatly influential on the Nazis, whether by design or not, or whether in complicity or not. Hitler had at least one reknown Jesuit among his closest advisors. Himmler greatly admired Jesuit Order, and both believed that the organization and system of the Jesuit order were to be emulated in the Nazi Party. The Order was founded on September 27, 1540 as the "Society of Jesus" and sanctioned by Pope Paul III in the Bull Regimini militantis ecclesiae Ignatius of Loyola greatly influenced the church training an elite corp of highly educated priests who were additionally trained in spiritual exercises. (see Basic Jesuit Spiritual Exercises.) They have had a rocky history even within the Catholic Church, and many were kicked out the the fledgling American Colonies, and the order in the 1700s was shut down by the Papacy fearing division and overthrow. The Restored Jesuit Order had re-established itself by the 1800s. Himmler had been raised around Jesuits and he admired their philosophies and orders though by the time he reached power, one could hardly have called him a believing Catholic. Still, he found merit in the Order and based some SS training on the principles of the group, which in the extreme included altered states of consciousness and meditations including 'mind-over-matter'. There were Jesuits advising Hitler and Jesuits imprisoned in the Lagers, but the relationship to Nazi Philosophies appears to be be in methodology and process more than anything. The Jesuits had taken many ideas from the ancient Knight Templars, and adapted them, not unlike what Himmler sought to do for the Nazis. Most central was the idea of a Messianic figure, the fuhrer surrounded by an elite corp. Von Papen was once quoted as saying that Hitler put the organization of the Catholic Church to work for him: Himmler narrowed it to the Jesuits.
Secret Societies Influencing the Third Reich, http://www.shoaheducation.com/secret.html

That Superior General Wlodimir Ledochowski through his Jesuit emissaries did instruct Adolf Hitler in 1929 to reform a section of the Sturmabteilung (SA) also known as Storm Troopers into Schutzstaffeln also known as the “SS”. That unlike the SA that was staffed by variously skilled persons, the Jesuits instructed Hitler that the SS was to be a most secret organization of personal bodyguards and elite, staffed with and controlled by actual Jesuit priests. That SS officers would be conferred by the authority of the Jesuits and the power of the Pope with the powers of Catholic priesthood. Furthermore, that the SS priests were to be embedded across the organisation to ensure strict control and prevent dissention. That in exchange, the Jesuits did agree to personally fund its implementation as well as introduce its substantial business funds and industry interests into Germany. That on January 6, 1929 Adolf Hitler appointed Heinrich Himmler to oversee the project.
http://one-faith-of-god.org/final_testamen...l/evil_0200.htm

"Hitler spoke of Heinrich Himmler, commander-in-chief of the SS, as 'my Ignatius Loyola'....In many respects, the SS was indeed modeled on the Jesuits, and made deliberate use of Jesuit techniques in such spheres as psychological conditioning and education. But the Jesuits themselves had derived much of their structure and organization from the still older military-religious-chivalric orders like the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights (Deutschritter)." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/nazi.html
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05-19-2008, 11:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-19-2008, 11:55 AM by ephilution.)
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The Roman Church in support of Fascist Germany

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Church & state! This Nazi coin, a 5 Mark, depicts the Potsdam Garrison Church upon it.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm

In Germany, the Papal Nuncio in Berlin, Mgr. Pacelli and Franz von Papen, privy Chamberlain to the Pope, advocated a ‘union with Rome’ and concentrated on the overthrow of the Weimar Republic. The German Catholics were hostile to Nazism, but were informed that the Pope himself was ‘favourably disposed towards Hitler.’ Consequently the Catholic Zentrum, axis of all parliamentary majorities, voted full rights to Hitler on January 30, 1933.
Bill Hughes, The Secret Terrorists, http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15688

The Catholic vote gave Hitler the majority he needed to legally form a government in 1933. Further to this, the Vatican ordered Catholic members of the Reichstag Parliament to support legislation giving Hitler the power to rule by decree. This measure gave Hitler the dictatorial power he needed to destroy the German Communists.
The whole Vatican-Hitler bargain had been conducted in secret before Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in January 1933. In June of the same year, Hitler and the Vatican signed a Concordat, under terms of which the church swore allegiance to the Nazi regime....
Soon afterward, Catholic Franz von Papen, the second in command to Hitler, put the essence of the Hitler-Vatican alliance very succinctly in these words: “The Third Reich,” he said, “is the first power which not only recognizes, but puts into practice, the high principles of the Papacy.” — Avro Manhattan, The Vatican Moscow Washington Alliance, Ozark Books, (quoted in Sydney Hunter, Is Alberto for Real, Chick Publications, pp. 42, 43)
Bill Hughes, The Secret Terrorists, http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15688

Hitler himself admits that he was helped by the methods of the Jesuit counter-Reformation to carry on his ideological war.... [We] have witnessed Catholicism’s open support of every step taken by Nazi-Facism to impose authoritarian regimes upon all peoples. — Leo H Lehman, Behind the Dictators, Agora Publishing, pp. 36, 38, 39.
Bill Hughes, The Secret Terrorists, http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15688

... the evidence shows that:
A) The Catholic Church hierarchy - especially Eugenio Pacelli, before and after he became Pope Pius XII - aided the Nazis. Indeed, Pacelli and the Church played a central role in making Hitler the dictator of Germany.
B)The Catholic Church was active in Nazi movements outside Germany, especially in the Baltic region and in the Balkans, where the Church helped run the Nazi puppet State of Croatia. After the war, the Vatican sheltered Croatian Nazi war criminals.
C) Although at Yad Vashem, Pope John Paul II described the Nazis as having "a Godless ideology," this is not how the Nazis presented themselves or how the Catholic Church described the Nazis when they were in power.

http://www.newadvent.orgbrary/docs_ss33co.htm

In the February 29, 1929 edition of the Völkischer Beobachter (official newspaper of the Nazi Party), Adolf Hitler published an article on the new Lateran Treaty between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican. According to Hitler, this treaty should demonstrate to the world that not only are fascism and Christianity not polar opposites, but that they are in fact close kin which should be working together:

"The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms.
...The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism, to which the so-called Catholic Center Party sees itself so closely bound, to the detriment of Christianity today and our German people."

[...] During the same speech, Hitler further criticizes Germany's Catholic Center Party for maintaining its support for democracy:

"By trying to preach that democracy is still in the best interests of German Catholics, the Center Party ...is placing itself in stark contradiction to the spirit of the treaty signed today by the Holy See."
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernaz...ristFascism.htm

For their part, the best theological pens were busy demonstrating the similarity between the Catholic and Nazi doctrines. And, for that work, the sons of Loyola were the busiest. As an example, let us see how Michaele Schmaus, Jesuit theologian, presented to the public a series of studies on this subject:
"Empire and Church" is a series of writings which should help the building up of the Third Reich as it unites a national-socialist state to Catholic-christianity... The national-socialist movement is the most vigorous and massive protest against the spirit of the 19th and 20th centuries... A compromise between the Catholic faith and liberal thinking is impossible... Nothing is more contrary to Catholicism than democracy...
The reawakened meaning of "strict authority" opens up again the way to the real interpretation of ecclesiastical authority... The mistrust of liberty is founded on the Catholic doctrine of original sin... The national-socialist Commandments and those of the Catholic Church have the same aim..." "Begegnungen zwichen Katholischen Christentum und nazional-sozialitischer Weltanchaunung", by Michaele Schmaus, professor at the Faculty of Theology of Munich. (Aschendorf, Munster 1933).

The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

Another well informed person, the mainspring of the pact between the Holy See and Berlin and the pope's secret chamberlain, Franz von Papen, was even more explicit: "The Third Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts into practice the high principles of the papacy". Robert d'Harcourt of the French Academy: "Franz von Papen, l'homme a tout faire" L'Aube, 3rd of October 1946).
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

On the first of May 1938, the "Mercure de France" reminded us of what had been said four years earlier:

"The Mercure de France of the 15th of January 1934 said—and nobody contradicted it—that it was Pius XII who 'made' Hitler. He came to power, not so much through legal means, but because the pope influenced the Centrum (german catholic party)... Does the Vatican think it made a political error in opening the way to power to Hitler? It doesn't seem so..."
The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

The [Roman Catholic] priests and the faithful must unhesitatingly uphold the great German state [i.e., Nazi Germany], and the Fuehrer [i.e., Adolf Hitler] whose struggle to set up [Nazi] Germany’s power, honor and prosperity is in accord with the wishes of Providence [i.e., the Vatican].” Jesuit Roman Catholic Cardinal Innitzer (Archbishop of Vienna, Austria)
“It Is Simply Amazing!” By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” June 28, 2006
http://www.gordoncomstock.com/eberhart/Simply_Amazing.htm

This concealment [of the truth concerning Roman Catholic Church cooperation with the Nazi regime] has been so bold and successful that in Germany…not a single [Roman Catholic] bishop had to resign his office [for his cooperation with the Nazis during World War II].

Quite the contrary, Bishop Berning, who had served until the downfall of Hitler in Goering’s Prussian State Council, in 1949 was given the honorary title of Archbishop. Herr [Franz] von Papen [who helped put Hitler into power and who negotiated the Concordat between the Vatican and Nazi Germany in 1933] was made Papal Privy Chamberlain in 1959.

Such rewards for men deeply involved with the Nazi regime represent a mockery of [the true] heroic figures…who died fighting Hitler.” Guenter Lewy (The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany)

“It Is Simply Amazing!” By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” June 28, 2006
http://www.gordoncomstock.com/eberhart/Simply_Amazing.htm

“Without the deadening hand of Vatican control, resistance might have been multiplied across the country [i.e., Nazi Germany during World War II] from the outset. And had Catholic officialdom, from the outset, not turned a blind eye to the expanding anti-Semitic propaganda and persecution, the terrible disaster that befell the Jews might never have occurred.” John Cornwell (Roman Catholic historian and journalist; Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII; 1999; Page 199)
“It Is Simply Amazing!” By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” June 28, 2006
http://www.gordoncomstock.com/eberhart/Simply_Amazing.htm

The Kaiser, in his Memoirs,3 vividly describes the colorful and solemn setting in which the interview took place, and says that he jotted down what was said for future reference. What interested him most was Pope Leo's insistence that, by war, if necessary, the Holy Roman Empire should be restored, and that to this end "Germany must become the Sword of the Catholic Church." Following are the Kaiser's own words:

"It was of interest to me that the Pope said to me on this occasion that Germany must become the sword of the Catholic Church. I remarked that the old Roman Empire of the German nation no longer existed, and that conditions had changed. But he stuck to his words."
Lehmann - Behind the Dictators p22. (1942), read online here:
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...d3d0fbf71a249de

[...] Nazi-Fascism is but the outcome of events in which the Catholic Church has played a decisive role for centuries. He says that National Socialism is the "fulfilment of destiny," and goes on to say:

"It was born originally out of the most profound tendencies of the epoch, of which it is the crowning act. Undoubtedly, we now have the right to speak of an essential transformation, of the birth of a veritable new era, the accomplishments of which will remain, A new epoch has opened which will serve religion and the Church, and which will be extraordinarily well armed to carry on the fight against atheism."

This, and much more, is quoted by Bishop Hudal to prove the fundamental identity of the aims and purposes of Catholicism and Nazi-Socialism. The Catholic bishops in the United States cannot afford to be as frank in supporting Nazi-Fascist ideology in this country. They cannot but admit, however, that their fellow-bishops in Nazi-Fascist countries have been correct in their analysis of the benefits which this anti-liberal and anti-democratic ideology will bring to the organization of Roman Catholicism.
Lehmann - Behind the Dictators p34-35. (1942), read online here:
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...d3d0fbf71a249de

The Establishment of the Reichskonkordat

On the establishment of a concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican:
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Signature of the Reichskonkordat on 20 July 1933. From left to right: German Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, representing Germany, Giuseppe Pizzardo, Cardinal Pacelli, Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani, German ambassador Rudolf Buttmann
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html

“This man [Adolf Hitler, who violated his oath to preserve the Protestant German Constitution, tripled the subsidies to the Roman Catholic Churches within Germany as a result of his Concordat with Pope Pius XI having been negotiated by Knight of Malta Franz von Papen, and never closed down a single Roman Catholic Church], the bearer of high ideals, will do all that is necessary to save the nation from catastrophe.”
Ludwig Kaas, 1933; German Jesuit; The Black International – No. 3: The Pope Helps Hitler to World Power, Joseph McCabe, (Girard, Kansas: Haldeman – Julius Publications, 1941) p. 12.
Quoted in Vatican Assassins II - Phelps, p479.

"The German Catholic Church has rescinded its ban on joining the Nazi Party. The Catholic Center party has dissolved itself. [And Articles 31 and 32 prevent any revival of this democratic Catholic party which had opposed the Nazis.] In the Reichskonkordat, the Vatican has promised that German Bishops and their subordinates will be obedient to and honor the Nazi state (Article 16). It has promised that German Catholic educators will teach children patriotic love for the Nazi state (Article 21). It has requested and received the Nazi dictatorship's promise to enforce internal Church decisions (Article 10). Cardinal Bertram of Breslau has called on Catholics to avoid all subversive or illegal (by Nazi definition) activities.

"How should you respond to the Nazi's new nightmare state? Doesn't the Catholic Church teach you to view Church officials as exemplary? Shouldn't they be emulated? Isn't the Pope's word law, and didn't the Pope sign the
Reichskonkordat, an agreement with the Nazi dictatorship, that [in Article 16 contains this pledge for new bishops]:

'In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it.' "
Hitler's concordat (1933) : Text and background, http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php...b_header_id=752

In the Reichskonkordat, the Vatican has promised that German Bishops and their subordinates will be obedient to and honor the Nazi state (Article 16). It has promised that German Catholic educators will teach children patriotic love for the Nazi state (Article 21). It has requested and received the Nazi dictatorship's promise to enforce internal Church decisions (Article 10). Cardinal Bertram of Breslau has called on Catholics to avoid all subversive or illegal (by Nazi definition) activities. How should you respond to the Nazi's new nightmare state? Doesn't the Catholic Church teach you to view Church officials as exemplary? Shouldn't they be emulated? Isn't the Pope's word law, and didn't the Pope sign the Reichskonkordat, an agreement with the Nazi dictatorship, that reads:
"In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it."
--Mandatory pledge for newly appointed Catholic Bishops, as stated in the Reichskonkordat, or Concordat
Between the Holy See and the German [Nazi] Reich, Article 16 http://www.newadvent.orgbrary/docs_ss33co.htm


"The Reichskonkordat effectively removed the Catholic Church from any continued role of opposition to Hitler. More than that, as Hitler told his cabinet on July 14, it established a context that would be 'especially significant in the urgent struggle against international Jewry.' The deep well of Catholic antisemitism would be tapped, to run as freely as any stream of hate in Germany. The positive side of the long-standing ambivalence, which had again and again been the source of impulses to protect Jews, would now be eliminated, allowing the negative side to metastasize."
The Pictures Accuse: The Catholic Church and Nazism in Germany and Croatia, Read here: http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

Mr. Joseph Rovan, Catholic writer, comments on the diplomatic agreement between the Vatican and the nazi Reich on the 8th of July 1933:

"The Concordat brought to the national-socialist government, considered nearly everywhere to be made up of usurpers, if not brigands, the seal of an agreement with the oldest international power (the Vatican). In a way, it was the equivalent of a diploma of international honorability".
(Le catholicisme politique en Allemagne, Paris 1956, p.231, Ed. du Seuil).

The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris, can be read online here: http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=15916

This Concordat was an agreement that meant, in effect, that a government with an ostensibly anti-religious, Nazi bias had taken the seemingly extraordinary step of imposing a church tithe on its populace. To understand this apparent paradox it is necessary to recall the ties that bound Germany to Rome for some eight centuries (926 to 1806) under the aegis of the Holy Roman Empire, with its succession of German Kings. The unavoidable conclusion to be drawn here is that these ties were still alive in 1933. And when it is recalled that in the mid-thirties the Vatican, aided by French and British Intelligence Services, had formed a powerful secret organisation, Intermarium, whose primary aim was the promotion of a Pan-Danubian Confederation of middle-European states (thus forming an anti-communist barrier stretching from the Baltic to the Adriatic), then the setting up of the puppet states in Slovenia and Croatia in 1941 are comprehensible.
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05-19-2008, 12:23 PM,
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Another interesting forum using IPB
someone merge the wrong two topics maybe? :confused:
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05-19-2008, 12:30 PM,
#6
Another interesting forum using IPB
It's just a carry over from work I already did a while back (but is unfinished as of yet) I which I set out to prove the role of the Catholic Church in setting up and orchestrating WWII.
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05-19-2008, 12:38 PM,
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Another interesting forum using IPB
I don't see the joinder betwixt that and what nik said?!?
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05-19-2008, 12:56 PM,
#8
Another interesting forum using IPB
I was inspired by his subtitle: Hitler was a Roman Catholic
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05-19-2008, 01:13 PM,
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:blush:Oh so it does say that.

Hey, while we're hijacking his topic,...lol... what does this say?

geineg dingetje en wat een geluidj
wij hebben een 350 I in de garage staan
ook heel leuk

I only undertsnd what a 350i is.... and it's in a garage.
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05-19-2008, 01:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-19-2008, 01:38 PM by ephilution.)
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Quote::blush:Oh so it does say that.
:LOL:Never mind Mike, I was starting to doubt that I might have schizophrenic tendencies.

Quote:Hey, while we're hijacking his topic,...lol... what does this say?

geineg dingetje en wat een geluidj
wij hebben een 350 I in de garage staan
ook heel leuk

I only undertsnd what a 350i is.... and it's in a garage.
:biggrin:

The quote says:

"Amusing little thing, with quite a sound. We have a 350 I standing in the garage. Also very nice."

Where on earth did you unearth this quote Mike?
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05-19-2008, 01:39 PM,
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:D@ 'maiden voyage in the wedge'. schoen auto Mike lol
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05-19-2008, 01:41 PM,
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Another interesting forum using IPB
Quote:
Quote::blush:Oh so it does say that.
:LOL:Never mind Mike, I was starting to doubt that I might have schizophrenic tendencies.

Quote:Hey, while we're hijacking his topic,...lol... what does this say?

geineg dingetje en wat een geluidj
wij hebben een 350 I in de garage staan
ook heel leuk

I only undertsnd what a 350i is.... and it's in a garage.
:biggrin:

The quote says:

"Amusing little thing, with quite a sound. We have a 350 I standing in the garage. Also very nice."

Where on earth did you unearth this quote Mike?

From here... http://youtube.com/watch?v=W9QuZKwCF74 It's a comment on my tvr.
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