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New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
11-11-2008, 03:41 PM,
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New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
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Quote:Without them, I would not exist in this time and place, and I am grateful for my existence, and therefor, also for the conflagration of events which brought it about.
your logic is undeniable:D
1 individual life > millions?:eyebrow:I see...:yuck::(
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11-12-2008, 08:55 AM,
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New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
Quote:I for the record state that western barbarism, aggression, colonialism, and aggressive bunny like fucking and drug use are all great things (depending on perspective of course) which are part of the universe expressing itself locally.

Your opinions on them are both irrelevant and arbitrary in the grand totality of existence. :P


And my momma cried:
Boo-a-hoo hoo-ooo
And my momma cried:
Nanook-a, no no
Nanook-a, no no
Don't be a naughty Eskimo-wo-oh


oh, I see -


The crux of the biscuit, is the Apostrophe(')


Well I turned around an' I said: HO HO
An' the Northern Lites commenced t' glow
An' she said - Bop-bop ta-da-da bop . . .
With a tear in her eye:
WATCH OUT WHERE THE HUSKIES GO

or is that just more cosmik debris in the place of conceptual continuity

&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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11-12-2008, 09:56 AM,
#33
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
for two beloved CC members
luv ya both bunches - I mean that in the nicest, most innocent way

hope it provokes at least a small grin

from me and Jerry G:D

Cats on the blacktop
Birdy in the treetop
Someone plays guitar that
sounds like clavinette
I ain't ready yet
to go to bed
Think I'll take a walk
downtown instead

Cats on the bandstand
Give 'em each a big hand
Anyone who sweats like that
must be all right
No one wants a fight
No black eye
Just another cat beneath
the stars tonight


Cats in the limelight
Feels like it's all right
Everybody wants something
they may not get
I ain't ready yet
It ain't complete - (and for DSB, luv you too:))
That's why I'm heading down
to Alley Cat Street

A satin blouse unbuttoning
A satin blouse unbuttoning
Time's a stripper
Doing it just for you
Time's a stripper
Doing it just for you hoo hoo, just for you
;)

Knock it in the brass tacks
Cover up you tracks, Jack
You ain't going nowhere till
you can pay your own way back
What else do you lack
to make it right
but cats down under
the stars tonight?


love & laughter
jack
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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11-13-2008, 03:07 AM,
#34
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Without them, I would not exist in this time and place, and I am grateful for my existence, and therefor, also for the conflagration of events which brought it about.
your logic is undeniable:D
1 individual life > millions?:eyebrow:I see...:yuck::(


If you were born as the result of a rape, would you wish it never happened?

Just a hypothetical question, but I dare you to contemplate it beyond your initial reaction.

You can make all the moralizations you want, just don't fall off your high horse. :ok:

I refuse to be ashamed of my existence, and you can't make me.

To say something like "one life vs millions" is such a ridiculous simplification. :LOL:


Quote:or is that just more cosmik debris in the place of conceptual continuity

What is the first option? What ever it is, its both.

IOW, Yes its just more cosmk debris, but I like it. :)
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11-13-2008, 04:14 AM,
#35
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
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Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Without them, I would not exist in this time and place, and I am grateful for my existence, and therefor, also for the conflagration of events which brought it about.
your logic is undeniable:D
1 individual life > millions?:eyebrow:I see...:yuck::(


If you were born as the result of a rape, would you wish it never happened?

Just a hypothetical question, but I dare you to contemplate it beyond your initial reaction.

You can make all the moralizations you want, just don't fall off your high horse. :ok:

I refuse to be ashamed of my existence, and you can't make me.

To say something like "one life vs millions" is such a ridiculous simplification. :LOL:


Quote:or is that just more cosmik debris in the place of conceptual continuity

What is the first option? What ever it is, its both.

IOW, Yes its just more cosmk debris, but I like it. :)
Eh, I never said there's any reason to be ashamed of heritage, as it's rather arbitrary and not something individuals choose in the first place. Not quite sure how you got that idea, I just find the principle of pride in something you are in no way responsible for or associated with by choice to be a bit odd is all.
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11-13-2008, 07:23 AM,
#36
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
Quote:Eh, I never said there's any reason to be ashamed of heritage, as it's rather arbitrary and not something individuals choose in the first place. Not quite sure how you got that idea, I just find the principle of pride in something you are in no way responsible for or associated with by choice to be a bit odd is all.

One of the great modern day philosophers (George Carlin) made this point in one of his stand ups in the context of how people claimed to be proud to be American as opposed to being say happy.
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11-13-2008, 08:59 AM,
#37
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
Quote:
jack Wrote:or is that just more cosmik debris in the place of conceptual continuity

What is the first option? What ever it is, its both.

IOW, Yes its just more cosmk debris, but I like it. :)
it most certainly is,
a:)back at you

and a reminder - don't you eat the yellow snow

I hear that if you do, you may end up - temporarily blind, while trudging across the tundra, mile after mile.

tho it may be a just a rumor put forth by St. Alphonso - I guess only time will tell;)
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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11-14-2008, 05:50 PM,
#38
New Age plan to remove vibrations of the Old World Order
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Quote:Eh, I never said there's any reason to be ashamed of heritage, as it's rather arbitrary and not something individuals choose in the first place. Not quite sure how you got that idea, I just find the principle of pride in something you are in no way responsible for or associated with by choice to be a bit odd is all.

One of the great modern day philosophers (George Carlin) made this point in one of his stand ups in the context of how people claimed to be proud to be American as opposed to being say happy.
Yeah, it's how people make up for their insecurity about their self worth... wanting to belong to a group and hence they assume a group identity. I think it's pretty lame IMO, especially when they overlook atrocities committed by that "group," and regardless of magnitude or degree, thinks it's ok as long as it's their group and not someone else's.
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11-19-2008, 03:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2008, 05:29 AM by mothandrust.)
#39
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OK, here we go then... puts on tin helmet...


New World Order

I've often wondered about this term, New World Order (NWO). What does it mean?

Are we discussing the order of things? The way the system works.

Or, does it refer to those who control the order of things? The powers that be (hidden or not).

The machine or the operator? Or is it both? For, to be sure, you can't have one without the other.

Let's put that aside for now... maybe more to say on that later.

My problem with the whole concept of the NWO is that the more I look at it, the more it does not seem very new. I mean, who's involved? It seems wherever one points a finger, the path stretches back through history: the church, royal families, bankers, masons. Hardly new, unless we are talking geological time-scales. That is not to say others have not joined their games: Illuminati, Zionists, Skull and Bones... perhaps various independent entrepreneurs, and new organisations haven't evolved to administer and direct: Bilderbergs, CFR... and more prominently, WTO, IMF, World Bank, NAFTA, G8... but really is it not same old, same old stretching back through history? The current system couldn't work without establishment rules stretching back through the centuries: land/property ownership, limited liability, capital interest, market economics, violence... and authoritarian, hierarchical religious and state structures.

Seems to me it's the same fuckers Jesus had problems with in the temple! Just rebranded, and with more sophistication and control.

One world government, one world currency and one world army appears to be the objective of said groups. Yet, this is also hardly new, it is the stated aim of all sky-god religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It's the basic premise upon which their ideologies are based – one god, one path, one truth, no alternative. And no tolerance for alternatives. Same old, same old.

New World Order???... hardly... except...

I got to thinking...

To be honest, I must here acknowledge my cultural and ideological history. Brought up in the heart of western enlightenment culture, with Christianity as an ethical foundation, i'd never really considered further than the establishment history presented to me. Well, up until about a decade back when I began to discover alternative perspectives on various events and processes. Still, nevertheless, I bought the basic evolutionary ideas and timeline. You know, cavemen gradually spreading from Africa across the globe, with the 'Fertile Crescent' as the cradle of civilisation and birthplace of farming and then everything taking off from there.

That was largely my view up until just a few months back: i'd dismissed early culture as superstitious, simple, primitive, 'cavemen', in the stone age. However, since then i've read a selection of books and watched various videos which really seem to undermine Judeo/Christian/establishment thought.

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The first thing one must note, whether studying ancient Mayan, Egyptian or Hindu culture is their extraordinary grasp of astronomical time. Patterns evolving, revolving over thousands of years, calculated with accuracy. An accuracy lost on western scholars until the birth of modern computing. I cannot comment upon whether they had a common source or arose independently, but their existence cannot be denied.

Other connections across culture which demonstrate profound understanding is the appreciation of holisticism, be it in China, India or Egypt, where it was understood, accepted the one is the whole and the whole is the one. As above, so below. In truth there was no separation between man and the heavens, politics and mathematics, economics and art, psychology and religion. And where we find, hidden in ancient writings through symbolism and riddle, discoveries at the forefront of science and the cutting edge of psychology.

One can also point to the mathematics in these ancient cultures. Upon first glance it appears simple and cumbersome, working with base 2, but of course it is not. It is efficient, logical, practical that's why computers use it.

To further undermine the notion of only rudimentary and basic understanding of mathematics and construction in ancient culture, one need only recognise the significance of the angles and alignment inherent in pyramids, wherever they have been constructed. One must also note, even today we still neither understand their construction methods, nor, even using the height of our modern technology, have the ability to reproduce them.

Of course there are other, often still older mysteries, rumours of Atlantis, the underwater city off Okinawa, Japan (last time above sea level circa 10,000 BC), the Nazca Lines, Peru, does water weathering and alignment of the Sphinx date it to the age of Leo?... the list goes on. So much is mere speculation, accepted, all with scholars trying to promote their views and interests, but nevertheless, material evidence does more than suggest, it proves human history, albeit obscured, reaches far, far back in time. Time beyond what prevailing authority would have us believe.

Within all these ancient cultures, a multitude of gods, saw them mistakenly labelled as polytheistic by the Judeo/Christian/western establishment. Again demonstrating their lack of understanding for the subtle complexities of motivational forces, esoteric wisdom and symbolic representation describing a multitude of paths towards a single, unified Truth.

In Search of the Cradle of Civilization (P.230 Wrote:If we want to comprehend the Vedic hymns, we must suspend our peculiar psychological malaise and epistemological narrowness. We must adopt a "soft" approach, remaining open to the various intersecting levels of discourse in them. For instance, on one level the deities are spiritual beings with whom mystical communion is possible and whose benign presence is invoked to shape a person's life on Earth. On another level, the deities are forces associated with Nature's spectacles, such as light, darkness, fire, wind, water, earth, dawn, and not least fertility, On a third level, the Gods and Goddesses of the Vedic pantheon are related to psychological aspects of the human being, such as brightness, somberness, anger, creativity, or love. On a fourth level, the deities are in some contexts associated with or representing the mighty forces of the celestial vault, such as the two luminaries, the planets, and the stars and stellar configurations. Put differently, the Vedic deities are universal archetypes of great flexibility. They were called upon to explain or render meaningful both internal and external phenomena, which were understood as being part of the same all-embracing continuum.

Indeed, it seems the more I consider, the more I discover, the more I am convinced, once, thriving culture with deep-seated wisdom preceded the sky-god religions by some considerable margin.

These strange and exotic cultures, undoubtedly with rituals and practices alien and distasteful to our modern sensitivities, likely populated the globe. Mysterious and chaotic, littered with contradiction and paradox and terrible monsters, they must surely have seemed the work of the devil to sky-god, one Truth, one path, one order protagonists: arising in the Middle East, not four millennium past.

The beauty of the sky-god, as somehow separate, outside the whole, at least to its interpreters, is, there can be no legitimate challenge to the one authority speaking in its name. For, their authority must be the will of said god, making their task obliterating any and every alternative.

No longer chaos and superstition, diversity and question, paths in all directions. Now, just one path, one truth, one book, one order:

New World Order.


....................

(some) sources: 'The Beginners Guide to Constructing the Universe', 'In Search of the Cradle of Civilization', 'I Ching', 'Magical Egypt,', The Emerald Tablets of Thoth', Undersea Japan, see also Okinawa, 'Mayan Doomsday Prophecy: Decoding the Past', Nazca
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11-19-2008, 04:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2008, 04:24 AM by ---.)
#40
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I love that gem from Alan Watt about Sky God religions - how the priests of old hoodwinked the people into believing that every night they, through sacrificial rituals, persuaded the Sun(God) to return and move across he sky anew each and every day - this being 'The Arc of the Covenant' - :eyebrow:

I am in agreement with you.

Elites didn't just start to breed amongst themselves and search out specific bloodlines a couple of hundred years ago - they have for time immemorial



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11-19-2008, 04:38 AM,
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Quote:Within all these ancient cultures, a multitude of gods, saw them mistakenly labelled as polytheistic by the Judeo/Christian/western establishment. Again demonstrating their lack of understanding for the subtle complexities of motivational forces, esoteric wisdom and symbolic representation describing a multitude of paths towards a single, unified Truth.

Quote:For, their authority must be the will of said god, making their task obliterating any and every alternative.

No longer chaos and superstition, diversity and question, paths in all directions. Now, just one path, one truth, one book, one order:
New World Order.

:confused:

so the new age/esoteric traditions/eastern religions are working towards the same goals as
the "sky god" religions. a dogmatic single unified truth, as you call it.
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11-19-2008, 04:50 AM,
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Quote:Eh, I never said there's any reason to be ashamed of heritage, as it's rather arbitrary and not something individuals choose in the first place. Not quite sure how you got that idea, I just find the principle of pride in something you are in no way responsible for or associated with by choice to be a bit odd is all.

I wasn't talking about pride either. I suppose ashamed was the wrong word to use for the concept I was trying to get across. Maybe regret would have been more appropriate.
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11-19-2008, 05:18 AM,
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Quote:so the new age/esoteric traditions/eastern religions are working towards the same goals as
the "sky god" religions. a dogmatic single unified truth, as you call it.
i'm not talking about 'new age', that covers an enormous spectrum. i'm talking about the theoretical basis for most (as far as i'm aware) ancient holistic religions, although in this case i was specifically thinking of Hinduism.

the goal must of course be the same, Truth, however you label it

the difference being, Hinduism does not pretend to know the path (that is not saying Brahmin etc. don't abuse power), it accepts the path is unknowable, unsayable and unique to each individual.
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