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"Astro-theology" is bullshit
07-01-2008, 11:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008, 06:41 AM by nowheretorun.)
#1
"Astro-theology" is bullshit
I had to edit this post and movie, I had a few errors in the first draft. Its all fixed now.

I couldn’t believe it when I found out how badly we were being lied to by Tsarion, Maxwell, Acharya etc. about “Astro-theology” This is a 10 min presentation of a few of the major problems with it.

You might want to download an astronomy program to confirm what Im saying.
Here is a link to one of the ones I used.
http://www.stellarium.org/

What I mainly covered in this first part (more coming) is the following:

1.)The idea of the three stars in Orion’s belt aligning with Sirius and pointing to the rising sun on Dec 25th is very misleading for a number of reasons.

2.)The idea that the sun rises in the southern cross on the solstice (or anytime) being a physical impossibility

3.)The sun staying motionless for three days on dec 25th

4.)And why this is being told to the truth movement. IMO


Its only 10 minutes long, go ahead watch it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mtmO36tmuT0


There is also just the audio available here for all you 56Kers
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/...trotheology.mp3

Here is a link so you can download this in wmv format
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/...trotheology.wmv
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07-02-2008, 12:15 AM,
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"Astro-theology" is bullshit
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07-02-2008, 01:04 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008, 01:05 AM by deathstickboy.)
#3
"Astro-theology" is bullshit
Ancient Pagan religions were based on worship of the heavens, astrology is part of that. The Judeo-Christian religion is heavily influenced by the religions of persia and mesopotamia which were based on astrology themselves.

Shoddy research by a few conspiracy cottage industry hacks does not in any way mean the entire concept is bullshit.

Why are the planets in our solar system, named for Roman gods? ;)

Maxwell, Tsarion and Achyara ect might be wrong or bullshitting to fit things into their own particular points of view, but conceptually speaking "astro-theology" is not bullshit.
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07-02-2008, 01:26 AM,
#4
"Astro-theology" is bullshit
Yeah, blame some objects (planets) for your problems, not yourself. That's a nice approach.
I rather blame my computer for all my problems. At least I can throw it into the nearest wall if it goes really bad. On the other side, I can't reach the planets. So I'll stick to blaming my laptop.:puter:
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swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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07-02-2008, 01:27 AM,
#5
"Astro-theology" is bullshit
Well, in all fairness... you're right that the concept has existed for ages. Earlier civilzations were eigther
  • too caught up in their own belief system <>
  • had a fairly primitive and unrefined system of true deductive reasoning and experimental methodolgy (or real science)<>
  • or some other reason for making unscientific astronomical claims that exist in astrology<>
    [st]
    Many observations are fairly slopy from a scientific perspective. There's countless problems with the claims made in astrology (aka, not astronomy, a non-science), which is the basis for astrotheology, that are simply incorrect via astronomical observations that are backed up by hard science. I think that is the point of this thread. I've run in to a fair number of problems with it myself in my own "research" which isn't very deep or organized in this area, hence it never really turned in to a post in any of the thread regarding astrology or astrotheology. Other than that, there's a fairly expansive list of factual errors with movies like Zeitgeist which seem to heavily rely on using astrotheology as a basis for many of it's arguments. I'm not Christian, and virtually none of the claims made in Zeitgeists in any way conflict my personal or religoius beliefs in any way... so I have no reason to trash the film for no reason. But the point is, there's far too many problems with astrotheology or movies / researchers using it as a basis for argument x for it's credibility to not be seriously questioned. Perhaps that's the other aspect this thread is covering, but I can't speak for the thread starter. Here's a list of error found within just the first 3 minutes:
    Quote:This is a response to the Zeitgeist movie intro posted in this group and the debate that followed. I promised to begin making a list of all of the factual inaccuracies, and as the regulars know, while I might be annoying and sophomoric at times, when I promise something, I'm good on it.

    This is all I could handle for one evening...24 erros in a span of 3 minutes (approx. one error every 7.6 seconds) during part 1 of a 90+ minute movie. Enjoy. I will cite all my sources when I get done...which will be another day. I gave time references for each error, but make sure you use the timing from the link I provided.




    Zeitgeist Factual Review

    1. “This is the cross of the Zodiac”, 1:38. It’s actually the Greek Zodiac Wheel, but admittedly a minor error. Nonetheless, it implies a word that makes it seem more related to Christianity.

    2. “Horus…the Solar Messiah”, 2:57. The Ancient Egyptians did not have the word or concept of a Savior or Messiah…the movie simply adds that word on for later relationship to Jesus.

    3. “Metaphorically speaking, every morning Horus would win the battle against Set, while in the evening, Set would conquer Horus and send him into the underworld.” 3:10. This is not Ancient Egyptian mythology, but rather the product of Zeitgeist’s writers. Horus and Set were enemies, but there was no myth stating their battles were the daily cause of daylight and nighttime. “Metaphorically speaking” is the very nice way of saying this.

    4. “Horus was born on December 25th…” 3:33. Incorrect. Horus’ birth was during the Egyptian month of “Khoiak”, which falls in what is now October and November.

    5. “…of the virgin Isis Mary…” 3:36. Incorrect on both the name and her virginity status. In truth, Horus was born to Isis (the “Mary” seems to be added by Zeitgeist writers to make it sound like Jesus’ birth), the widow of Osiris. She used her deceased husband’s phallus and sperm to conceive Horus, but there is absolutely nothing about her being a virgin; her formerly being married to Osiris shows otherwise.

    6. “…three kings followed to adorn the newborn Savior” 3:42. There is no evidence in any of the birth stories I’ve found for any kings visiting or adorning the child; in fact, Horus is born as a falcon and flies away. As we all know, it’s hard to catch a falcon to adorn it. It’s also worthy to point out…again…that the concept of a “Savior” was not part of Egyptian Mythology.

    7. “…at the age of 12 he was a prodigal child teacher…” 3:47. He was quite a kid but I have found nothing about Horus as a “teacher” of anything, let alone at age 12.

    8. “…at the age of 30 he was baptized…” 3:50. The Egyptians did not “Baptise” anyone. That term is obviously Christian and it’s application to Egyptian mythology is grossly misled. All of the information I can find about this also cites some of the above facts I’ve debunked as true, and I’ve found nothing to indicate Horus was dunked in water of any kind from any actual reputable source.

    9. “…Horus had 12 disciples…”3:53. Horus had four disciples/ followers, not 12. They were called the “Heru-Shemsu” if you want to look it up.

    10. “…(Horus) walked on water…” 3:57. Horus never walked on water. This appears to be nothing short of a Zeitgeist made piece of fiction.

    11-15.“…known by many…names, such as ‘The Truth’, ‘The Light’, ‘God’s Anointed Son’, ‘The Good Shepherd’, ‘The Lamb of God’,…” 4:03. There is nothing in support of this anywhere. The Egyptians did not even have a “God” in the sense of a single god known by that title.

    16. “…Horus was crucified…” 4:09. There was no such thing in Ancient Egypt. The civilization pre-dates crucifixion by over 1,500 years.

    17. “…buried for 3 days and thus resurrected…” 4:11. Once again, there is no evidence for this claim. His father, Osiris, is resurrected by Horus’ actions in some myths, but Horus himself does not undergo this. Again, all online sources that support the Zeitgeist seem to have gotten their information from the movie.

    18-19. “…Attis, born of a virgin (Nana) on December 25th…” 4:28. Nana is a nymph and conceives children by holding an acorn to her breast, and there is nothing indicating it happened on December 25th. Attis is associated with springtime, not the winter or the solstice.

    20. “…(Attis is) crucified…” 4:30. Attis castrates himself under a pine tree; he is not nailed to a piece of a tree by other people like Jesus was.

    21. “…(Attis is) resurrected…” 4:31. Attis never comes back to life. Requests by others to resurrect him are actually denied; Attis eventually becomes a pine tree. Zeitgeist fabricated this “fact” apparently…seems to be a pattern emerging…

    22. “…(Attis is) placed in a tomb…” 4:31. See above…there is no tomb for poor Attis.

    23. “Krishna, born of a virgin…” 4:37. Krishna’s parents had seven children before Krishna. They apparently were fond of intercourse, actually.

    24. “…Star in the East…” 4:40. Again, there is absolutely nothing to this anywhere. Appears to be Zeitgeist nonsense again.

    25. “…Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin…” 4:50. Zeus impregnates either a mortal woman (Semele), or Persephone; either way, he impregnates them with his god stick, not a divine touch. Virgin birth was never an element of Dionysus.

    26. “…on December 25th…” 4:52. There is nothing anywhere in the Dionysus myth mentioning this day, the winter solstice, or a birthday of any kind. Like Attis, Dionysus is associated with spring, not winter.

    27. “…travelling teacher…” 4:53. Dionysus did travel, but virtually all of his “teaching” was about wine making and he taught nothing spiritual.

    28. “…such as turning water into wine…” 4:55. One of my law professors once told me, “lawyers don’t lie, they interpret the truth.” This movie is about two steps closer to lying than a lawyer apparently. Dionysus was the god of wine and gave people the power to turn things they touched into wine, and he also filled empty vessels with it. Oddly enough, none of these stories contains him or anyone with his powers turning water into wine.

    28-30. “…he was referred to as the ‘King of Kings’, ‘God’s only begotten Son’, ‘The Alpha and Omega’…” 5:00. All false, of course. Dionysus was never the highest ranking god, never a king, had many, many half siblings (Zeus got around), and had a very well defined beginning.

    31. “…Mithra, born of a virgin…” 5:07. Mithra actually sprang out of a rock in some traditions and ancient artworks, and none of the other myths provide any details of birth.

    32. “…he had twelve disciples…” 5:09. Mithra was occasionally shown surrounded by the twelve signs of the Zodiac, which, as one might guess, are not actually disciples.

    33-34. “…and upon his death was buried for three days and thus resurrected…” 5:11. Mithra never actually dies in any myth, and so was also never buried. The living don’t need resurrections either.

    35-37. “…called ‘The Way’, ‘The Truth’, ‘The Light’…” 5:16. He was called “the warrior angel of light” in Iran, but that’s actually a completely different Mithra from the Roman one pictured in the movie and referenced with the twelve signs of the Zodiac. Go figure.

    38-40+. “…the fact of the matter is there are different Saviors from different periods from all over the world which subscribe to these general characteristics…” 5:25 A list of about 20 ancient gods are presented, some of which I can’t even find. The ones I know off of the top of my head are ridiculous to place in such a category…and some are even synonymous with before presented gods. Osiris of Egypt? Zoroaster from Iran? Thor? Quexalcote (who is from the New World and would have been completely unknown to the Jews of 20 CE)? They bare virtually nothing in common with Jesus (that IS what this is going for after all), and are not “saviors”. Remember that it is a Christian word and concept. Assigning this section as 3 errors is letting the movie off very easy.

    41. “…let’s examine the most recent of the solar messiahs…” 5:48. This is a misleading/ wrong statement for a number of reasons. Jesus is the only “Messiah”, to start with, and if the previous gods are supposed to be other solar messiahs, then this is still wrong, since some of them actually are more recent than Jesus.

    ***42. “Jesus Christ…was born on December 25th…”*** 5: 53 *This is perhaps the biggest error in the entire section 1, and undermines the next fifteen minutes as completely moot.*

    The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John- the books that are supposed to be a historical reflection of Jesus and contain his birth story(s) ) were written down between 58 and 110 CE, with John being the last. The celebration of Christ’s birth as December 25th is not within the Gospels, and the date actually appears nowhere within them with reference to anything. Originally, the day appointed to mark Jesus’ birth was March 25th, the start of spring, and the same day the early Christians believed Jesus was crucified (they believed prophets died on their birthdays, as they were set to live a specific number of years). It was not until the year 354 CE, 240+ years after the last pen drop of the Book of John was finished, that “Christmas” was created and placed on December 25th. The primary reason for this day was to replace old Roman Pagan solstice festivals with a Christian one.

    Furthermore, the evidence within the Gospels themselves virtually forces Jesus to be a spring birth (and adds solidity to March 25th being more accurate). The Palestinian winters are quite cold, and shepherds would not have been tending their flocks in the fields in late December, as the lambs would die of hypothermia. Basing Jesus’ birth story on the Astrology of December 25th is ridiculous and 101% baseless. If you don’t understand why, here’s an easy analogy:
    I write a book about a hero named Bob tomorrow, and set the story in the summer of 2008. In the year 2307, people like my story about Bob so much that they make a holiday for Bob, Bobmas, and assign it to November 16th. In the year 2960, some historians reconstruct my story about Bob, and publish a paper showing how I wrote the story based upon the Astrology of November 16th, though my book neither took place on that date, nor did I even mention it. It’s tantamount to trying to explain the 4th Season of “Seinfeld” based upon the movement of a comet. It’s just loony and makes no sense when you actually look at the facts.

    43. “…The star in the East is Sirius, which, on December 24th, aligns with…Orion’s Belt…” 6:45. Sirius is well away from Orion’s belt and does not move in the night sky with relation to other stars; no stars do. Only planets move in relation to the stars (the stars do move, technically, but it takes many hundreds of years before even slight changes can be noticed).

    44. “The three brightest stars are called today what they were called in Ancient times- the ‘Three Kings’…” 6:52. Yes, they were called that…in South Africa. In Greece, Rome, and the Middle East, they were Orion’s belt. The Sahara Desert kept the folklore of South Africa down there quite effectively, and the “The Kings” reference does not begin showing up in Aramaic Texts until 300 CE.

    45. “…all point to where the sun rises on December 25th…in order to locate the sunrise; the birth of the son…” 7:07. This is incredibly misleading. All stars move east to west like the sun, and any set of stars in the sky could have been picked as “pointing back to the sunrise”. Next, the implied connection between “sun” and “son” is a play on words in English; no one spoke English when all of these events took place, obviously.

    46. “…This is why other virgin mothers, like (Myrra’s and Buddha’s mother’s) names start with an “M”…” 7:32 Buddha was born to Maya, who had been married for 20 years before his birth. There is no indication of her being a virgin in any Buddhist traditions. In addition, the only sites I can find claiming Myrra had anything to do with virgin birth are “Greatest Story Ever Told” sites that read virtually identically to the Zeitgeist. Based upon the Zeitgeist’s merits, I can say that I would be highly skeptical of those sources.

    47. “…Bethlehem is thus a reference to a place in the sky, not on earth…” 7:56. This statement is based upon the contellation Virgo’s being called “The House of Bread”, and Bethlehem literally translating in Hebrew to “House of Bread”. However, these two things were independently named in different languages. The Zeitgeist implies Bethlehem took it’s name from the Constellation…the people that still live there might tell the writers it’s the opposite. Point: two places with a common name =/= direct associations.

    48. “The sun died on a cross (the “Southern Cross Contellation”), was dead for three days (December 22-24 the sun is at its lowest), only to be born again on December 25th…” 9:10. That’s fine and dandy, but this is a combination of two inaccuracies already pointed out; the “sun” and “son” were not word-playable words back then, and Jesus WAS NOT born on December 25th. All of this astrology explaining this cycle is meaningless and implies something that is wholly inaccurate; see fact error 42.

    49-51. “…this is why Jesus and other sun gods share the crucifixion, three day death, and resurrection…” 9:18. None of the gods pictured or previously talked about were crucified, dead for three days, or resurrected. This is redundant, yes, but it’s pissing me off and if they want to use bad information more than once, I’ll write it down more than once.

    52. “…it is a Pagan adaptation of the cross of the Zodiac…” 10:47. The Pagan Zodiac is balanced, with all four parts of the “cross” equal in length. The Christian cross is not balanced, but resembles the letter “t”. Forget that crucifixion on a cross was the method of execution by the Romans too…

    53. “crown of thorns, or sunrays…” 11:32. I need something behind this. It’s a matter of conjecture, but not one I can find supported anywhere outside of the Zeitgeist.

    bibliography


    1. http://www.spirithistory.com/kgraves.html
    2. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe19/sbe1903.htm
    3. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/btg/btg98.htm
    4. http://www.mahidol.ac.th/budsirfe_10.htm
    5. http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/tut/tut05.htm
    6. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hathor.html
    7. http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg08.htm
    8. http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/eml/eml05.htm
    9. http://www.bartleby.com/65/zo/Zoroaste.html
    10. http://www.avesta.org/znames.htm
    11. http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religi...aster_name.htm
    12. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/haoma.html
    13. http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Mithraism
    14. http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Mithras
    15. http://www.reference.com/browse/columbia/Attis
    16. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/great_mother.html
    17. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dionysus.html
    18. http://www.reference.com/browse/columbia/Semele
    19. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dionysus.html
    20. http://www.reference.com/browse/columbia/Quetzalc

    I will do bibliographies on my world religion textbooks if you want (I used 4 of them). In addition, I always checked yahoo and/or google searches to see if my base information was backed up, which it was. I also checked Wikipedia to verify most of my information...I always double check the wiki, of course, but it too always matched my textbooks and reputable websites.

    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=110120
    Feel free to point out errors in it, but it sort of destroyed the credibility of Zeitgeist for me.
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07-02-2008, 01:32 AM,
#6
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
you forget the moon, so does tsarion and the rest of the crumby sunny crowd that seemingly ignores half of the story anyway for the sake of standing in front of a plasma screen in a suit pushing dvd-sets that are made to nauseate.
you forget the master of all things mechanical on this rock. so from the original post above i cannot really tell who is more full of it.
when will you prewds get over the obscene cross-fucking that took place 35000 years ago and since has caused so much shame for homo sapiens, justifying mass slaughter many a time? if you are a vampire cannibal specializing in nouvelle genitalia cuisine, in other words a christian, just let it go, way too jaded. if not, excuse my prejudice, but please at least give us an alternative view after debunking a half-hearted debunking of a crucifixion of a make-believe superhero claiming to be the son of some desert god who is heavily into sado-maso punishment. it seems that most myth is metaphorical, a set of symbols, we just don't have the full picture yet of what means what and what may some have us believe. i have asked many a proud initiate what the blazing star should actually represent and depending on their club and level the answers vary from polarstar to sirius. if you are into the moon jesis might just be the good old male-used-for-ritual that was forced to menstruate via castration. if you are more of a sunny boy the idea of the cycling of seasons will seem more appropriate, especially for that filofax, made to fit. cram that year in there, square that circle and go to work from 9 to 5.

explaining symbols out of cultural context could be considered as a rare form of aphasia, since symbols carry subjective meaning linked to their bearer and his or her neurosis at any given point in time.

http://www.stellarium.org, surely the egyptians bookmarked that site way back.

33cifer aka zerror soon to be known as zeitwurst.
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07-02-2008, 01:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008, 01:38 AM by shZ.)
#7
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
Are you adressing me or the thread starter?:confused:

EDIT: Nevermind. Just reread your post.

EDIT2: ...and your new one. Wow, that was confusing lol.:P
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07-02-2008, 01:36 AM,
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&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
just edited to "original post above", not you shz:) edit: great, then lets get on with it. since somebody was bitching about name changing i just had to try it out.
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07-02-2008, 01:38 AM,
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&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
Quote:33cifer aka zerror soon to be known as zeitwurst.
Yeah, exactly. Right there, you nailed it.

Oh my gosh I think I'm leaving this site... For good.
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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07-02-2008, 01:39 AM,
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&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
Quote:
Quote:33cifer aka zerror soon to be known as zeitwurst.
Yeah, exactly. Right there, you nailed it.

Oh my gosh I think I'm leaving this site... For good.
No!:shocked::scream::(
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07-02-2008, 02:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-02-2008, 02:47 AM by nowheretorun.)
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Quote:you forget the moon, so does tsarion and the rest of the crumby sunny crowd that seemingly ignores half of the story anyway for the sake of standing in front of a plasma screen in a suit pushing dvd-sets that are made to nauseate.
you forget the master of all things mechanical on this rock. so from the original post above i cannot really tell who is more full of it.
when will you prewds get over the obscene cross-fucking that took place 35000 years ago and since has caused so much shame for homo sapiens, justifying mass slaughter many a time? if you are a vampire cannibal specializing in nouvelle genitalia cuisine, in other words a christian, just let it go, way too jaded. if not, excuse my prejudice, but please at least give us an alternative view after debunking a half-hearted debunking of a crucifixion of a make-believe superhero claiming to be the son of some desert god who is heavily into sado-maso punishment. it seems that most myth is metaphorical, a set of symbols, we just don't have the full picture yet of what means what and what may some have us believe. i have asked many a proud initiate what the blazing star should actually represent and depending on their club and level the answers vary from polarstar to sirius. if you are into the moon jesis might just be the good old male-used-for-ritual that was forced to menstruate via castration. if you are more of a sunny boy the idea of the cycling of seasons will seem more appropriate, especially for that filofax, made to fit. cram that year in there, square that circle and go to work from 9 to 5.

explaining symbols out of cultural context could be considered as a rare form of aphasia, since symbols carry subjective meaning linked to their bearer and his or her neurosis at any given point in time.

http://www.stellarium.org, surely the egyptians bookmarked that site way back.

33cifer aka zerror soon to be known as zeitwurst.


I hear ya, ( i think)

yes I believe that some high strangeness did go down way back in the day.
and I should provide an alternative theory. oddly i think that what is going on is that we are being told a version of this strangeness with some faces and names changed (so to speak) in order to protect the guilty.
I feel that really understanding the issue of the "obscene cross-fucking" is the key that will make a lot of the puzzle pieces in our research start to fall in to place.

I have done a few other movies that kind of go into what exactly Im taking about.
one of them, That i think may be of particular interest is the "Sitchin is wrong" you may or may not know that he is "wrong" on a lot of things but I did provide a great deal of research material in the description section of that movie that goes into the version of this idea that I feel is indeed being actively covered up. I am not sure i could say everything i would want to about this here and feel I had done you or anyone a service this is something i feel requires a little study

link to the sitchin video. 13mins
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=68...qTcDQ&hl=en

here are some of the links i provide in the description section to recommended researchhttp://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
http://www.michaelsheiser.com/
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=20...mGYT-qgLaj4HPDQ
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=86...vD4fsrALvq_G9BA
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T15_28_18-08_00
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T22_54_57-07_00
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T18_17_11-07_00
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T19_21_00-08_00
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T13_08_43-08_00
http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podshows/1326209
http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podshows/2021744
http://aaccoa.org/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...7CvBA&hl=en
http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/audios/...ery_babylon.htm
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=78101820
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=18...AD4r2rQLS1_irBA
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_13.htm
http://www.archaeology.org/9811/newsbriefs/byzantine.html

here is my youtube channel http://youtube.com/nowheretorun1984 I feel you can get the idea of where Im coming from.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gHl_ZWc-PC8

I also do a radio show called "nowhere to run" http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com
I talk about this kind of stuff all the time
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07-02-2008, 04:20 AM,
#12
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
Quote:Yeah, blame some objects (planets) for your problems, not yourself. That's a nice approach.
I rather blame my computer for all my problems. At least I can throw it into the nearest wall if it goes really bad. On the other side, I can't reach the planets. So I'll stick to blaming my laptop.:puter:


wtf are you on about exactly?:huh:
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07-02-2008, 08:56 AM,
#13
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
I feel that really understanding the issue of the "obscene cross-fucking".

cro-Magnon vs. neander. and of course the right-eous sunnyprewds raped the wild bunnygirls.
this may have started the war on left-handedness and the war on redheads.


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07-02-2008, 09:12 AM,
#14
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
Well, Christianity is bullshit too, but many people believe in that so it's good to know what belief-system you're dealing with.
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07-02-2008, 09:28 AM,
#15
&quot;Astro-theology&quot; is bullshit
indeed:)
reality is a manufactured illusion

Self delusion is all well and good until it catches up with you . . .
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