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Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
11-08-2009, 01:16 PM,
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Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
Quote:A mother who reprimanded her children at a supermarket was secretly followed by an off-duty policeman and interrogated by fellow officers who reported her to social services.

The 34-year-old, who has had no previous problems with the police, was horrified when she was visited at home by two uniformed officers six weeks after the incident.

They said she had been seen by the off-duty officer who had trailed the family to their house – a 15-minute walk away – to get their address.

During the visit, the officers asked the mother what forms of discipline she imposed on her 11-year-old son and four-year-old daughter.

When she admitted she occasionally gave them a smack ‘as a last resort’, they advised her to stick to the alternative methods she already used, such as withdrawing treats and banning television.

She later received a letter from the local council informing her that the ‘chastisement’ of her children in public had been put ‘on record’.

The mother, who wishes to remain anonymous to protect her children, admits that on the day she took them to the supermarket in Southampton in early August they had been unusually badly behaved because bad weather had kept them indoors.

She admits she threatened her son in the store with a ‘hiding’ if he did not behave and had given him a mild smack earlier in the day for quarrelling with his sister.

But the mother, a regular churchgoer and a bookshop manager, whose 40-year-old husband was until recently a logistics controller at an international aerospace company, said that she smacked her children only ‘two or three times a year, if that’. She said her children had been running around the shop aisles, bickering and fighting with each other. When she reached the till, she made them sit on a bench but they started quarrelling again.

She said: ‘I went over to them, carrying my bags of shopping, and my words were something like, “How dare you behave like this – you’ve been arguing and fighting all day. If you carry on like this you’re going to get another hiding like the one you had earlier.”’

She admitted her language might have sounded harsh but said she had wanted her son to get the message she was really angry.

Her rebuke had the required effect because her children were later very apologetic. Towards the end of September, however, two policemen knocked at her door.

‘I have never been in trouble with the police before and I have a great respect for them, so I was absolutely shocked,’ she said.

‘When they told me about the off-duty officer, I couldn’t believe it.

‘He must have only seen the end part of a long day where they had played up and slid on the floors in the supermarket.’

During the conversation, the police warned her that, in some cases, they had the right to go into schools and talk to children directly, which she said was ‘intimidating’.

Two weeks later, in early October, a letter arrived from Southampton City Council’s Children’s Services Department. Though the letter said no further action would be taken ‘at this time’, it added: ‘We would like to advise you that we do keep the information on record.’ The woman said she felt she had been ‘treated like a criminal’.

Hampshire Police confirmed that an off-duty officer had reported the incident to its child protection team.

A spokesman said: ‘It was not an ordinary telling-off and because of what the woman said and the way her children reacted to it, it gave our officer reasonable grounds for concern. We followed this up, as you would expect any police force to do.’

A spokesman for Southampton City Council said the letter was ‘standard practice’, adding: ‘It is very important that we keep records of any concerns raised to us about children in the city.’

Under the law, mild smacking is allowable under a ‘reasonable chastisement’ defence against common assault. However, punishment that creates visible bruising, grazes, scratches and cuts can lead to action.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...n-checkout.html
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11-08-2009, 02:46 PM,
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Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine recently. His son who is 10 was acting like a dick in the local shop, my mate took him out of the shop, gave him a wee smack on the arse and put him in the car. Less than AN HOUR later ( wish they were that quick to respond to the smack dealers living in my street) the police were at his door warning him that he could be taken to court on charges of child abuse!
This guy is a very nice and peaceful man and he was devastated at being basically called a child abuser by some little fucking twenty yr old twat in a little uniform.
What are people supposed to do? Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning violence towards children or anyone else for that matter but what are parents supposed to do these days?

If you chastise your child, you can go to jail.

If you don't and your child turns into an asshole, you can go to jail

If your child doesn't go to school because they've no discipline, you can go to jail

Basically what we've done in this country is give children the freedom to act however they please with no consequences at all. I know one kid who threatens his mother with child services any time she tries to discipline him. Is that what we want?

And yet ever day, children are being abused, beaten, tortured and murdered in this country right under the noses of the child protection services (baby Peter anyone?) and nothing is seemingly done about that.

Hmm let me see, systematic vicious abuse = no protection at all
A light tap on the arse = A one hour police response time!

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11-08-2009, 03:38 PM,
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Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
i had a few good beatings from my dad, didn't do me any problems.

see they want to raise a generation of pussies.
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11-08-2009, 08:49 PM,
#4
Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
Quote:This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine recently. His son who is 10 was acting like a dick in the local shop, my mate took him out of the shop, gave him a wee smack on the arse and put him in the car. Less than AN HOUR later ( wish they were that quick to respond to the smack dealers living in my street) the police were at his door warning him that he could be taken to court on charges of child abuse!
This guy is a very nice and peaceful man and he was devastated at being basically called a child abuser by some little fucking twenty yr old twat in a little uniform.
What are people supposed to do? Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning violence towards children or anyone else for that matter but what are parents supposed to do these days?

If you chastise your child, you can go to jail.

If you don't and your child turns into an asshole, you can go to jail

If your child doesn't go to school because they've no discipline, you can go to jail

Basically what we've done in this country is give children the freedom to act however they please with no consequences at all. I know one kid who threatens his mother with child services any time she tries to discipline him. Is that what we want?

And yet ever day, children are being abused, beaten, tortured and murdered in this country right under the noses of the child protection services (baby Peter anyone?) and nothing is seemingly done about that.

Hmm let me see, systematic vicious abuse = no protection at all
A light tap on the arse = A one hour police response time!

What they want is to corner the parent(s) into giving up, and tossing the kid to society where the government disciplines and raises their children in the ways they see fit.
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11-09-2009, 07:46 AM,
#5
RE: Mother trailed by policeman and warned by council for telling off son at checkout
I am going to go and give my KID a few hefty slaps right now as a screw you to the state and to assure myself that I am free.
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