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Are there any women out there who're not a bunch of fucking liars?
09-08-2008, 04:55 PM,
#16
Are there any women out there who're not a bunch of fucking liars?
WOW, most creepy polarizing. it seems some dare to compare! get a soul
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09-08-2008, 05:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-08-2008, 05:26 PM by CelticSecret.)
#17
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Quote:I just got out of the shower. I'm not a man or woman hater, and I can't really say the same about second wave feminist and their neurotic demonization of the male archetype and denigration of the female archetype using the same language, ideas, constructs, and cultural discourse that they claim to be opposed to. Softie, not exactly. Partly correct, yes. I don't have a stone cold heart like a bitch, but I'm not exactly the type to let anyone disrespect or walk over me.

You really thought that's what i was doing ?

For the record the feminist women irk me just as much as they do you.

Was n't i mocking women too with the passive agressive thing ?


Quote:So I sure as fuck can dish it back ten times worse than the feeble cat like scratches from an insecure and neurotic female mind, which is not all women, just certain types. I guess you don't want or appreciate a lighter warmer side of a person, or someone simply trying to be supportive or civil. If that is the case, you can kindly cram your opinion up your ass and fuck off back to lurking mode.

So can i ,
I was teasing you not fuckin' mocking you .
So you can take your agressive tone and stick it up your fuckin arse sideways.
I'm going fuckin nowhere.
I've got much thicker skin than that.



Quote:That's is all for now, hopefully when I'm back the discourse in this thread will be motivated by curiosity and an eagerness to share thoughts as opposed to irrelevant rantings. If you can't take the heat or understand the frustrations of another person, take it as some kind of personal attack against you or your "gender," you probably have a fair bit of growing up to do and not much input to offer.

Look i was the one being light hearted ,
I thought that was plain to see with my overuse of smileys.



Bitter much ?:rolleyes:
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09-08-2008, 06:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-08-2008, 07:10 PM by ---.)
#18
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shZ bro, the premise of the poll is so polemicised that it knackers any discourse from the get go (imho)

men and women are both totally trapped by social conditioning - starting from minute one ie birth. I don't want to type so much in response here as we were chatting for on skype earlier and <i don't want you to think I am in anyway stabbing you in the back.

In the capacity of admin, I ask that you don't kick off with Celtic - she isn't fucking with your mind as far as <i can tell and to push someone ( a woman's voice, no less in your poll about women ) back toward lurking just when they begin to post some is not the way foward.

What you perceive as the duplicitous nature of women, i personally see as a generalised concept - attributed to the pressures of social conditioning and 'function moulding' - which inevitably and explicity applies to both men and women - it's a conditioning which makes it easy for the governing leisure class to whip up war fevour and reactionary sentiments at their whim.

This, as said is appplicable to both men and women. The natural roles are capitalised apon, warped and spat out as aggressive stereotypes of sexuality. edit) or conversley as those who are too apathetic to stand up for anything and just seek to be overtly controlled

In these societies we inhabit, the least acceptable trait anyone is allowed is vunerability. We are trapped in a game where we constantly masquerade and posit ourselves as infallibly strong. It's beeen worked on men slaves longer their female counterpart, I'd suggest, and now in the last 150 years or so the valid movement for equal rights for women has also been co-opted and perverted to lead to what we have today. men and women mistrusting each other and arguing the toss over who gets to piss where and who's worthy to mate with according to lines basically proscribed for us by a bunch of incestuous bastards anyway. fuck all that - spend time to read some R D Laing is my advice

Better that we ditch all that shit and start cooperating is my take on it - and the folk that want to stay fucking ignorant and live in the roles of opposition and acting like fucking preening chimps then that's their look out...well, not really, it impacts on us all but in terms of our own personal sanity

Maybe try and meet an older woman - that'd probably help bypass a lot of this shit you're feeling towards the female. You can't damn half the world mate - we've all been subject to the same fucked up programming irrespective of whether we are XX or XY
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09-08-2008, 07:32 PM,
#19
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Quote:
Quote:I just got out of the shower. I'm not a man or woman hater, and I can't really say the same about second wave feminist and their neurotic demonization of the male archetype and denigration of the female archetype using the same language, ideas, constructs, and cultural discourse that they claim to be opposed to. Softie, not exactly. Partly correct, yes. I don't have a stone cold heart like a bitch, but I'm not exactly the type to let anyone disrespect or walk over me.

You really thought that's what i was doing ?

For the record the feminist women irk me just as much as they do you.

Was n't i mocking women too with the passive agressive thing ?


Quote:So I sure as fuck can dish it back ten times worse than the feeble cat like scratches from an insecure and neurotic female mind, which is not all women, just certain types. I guess you don't want or appreciate a lighter warmer side of a person, or someone simply trying to be supportive or civil. If that is the case, you can kindly cram your opinion up your ass and fuck off back to lurking mode.

So can i ,
I was teasing you not fuckin' mocking you .
So you can take your agressive tone and stick it up your fuckin arse sideways.
I'm going fuckin nowhere.
I've got much thicker skin than that.



Quote:That's is all for now, hopefully when I'm back the discourse in this thread will be motivated by curiosity and an eagerness to share thoughts as opposed to irrelevant rantings. If you can't take the heat or understand the frustrations of another person, take it as some kind of personal attack against you or your "gender," you probably have a fair bit of growing up to do and not much input to offer.

Look i was the one being light hearted ,
I thought that was plain to see with my overuse of smileys.



Bitter much ?:rolleyes:
My apologies, I am under slept and didn't pick up entirely on your sarcasm. Forums aren't the most expressive medium, and body language is entirely absent. I'm going back to class for right now though. Peace.
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09-08-2008, 07:39 PM,
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Anthony de Mello (Awareness) Wrote:Do you think you help people because you are in love with them? Well, I've
got news for you. You are never in love with anyone. You're only in love
with your prejudiced and hopeful idea of that person. Take a minute to
think about that: You are never in love with anyone, you're in love with
your prejudiced idea of that person. Isn't that how you fall out of love?
Your idea changes, doesn't it? "How could you let me down when I trusted
you so much?" you say to someone. Did you really trust them? You never
trusted anyone. Come off it! That's part of society's brainwashing. You
never trust anyone. You only trust your judgment about that person. So
what are you complaining about? The fact is that you don't like to say,
"My judgment was lousy." That's not very flattering to you, is it? So you
prefer to say, "How could you have let me down?"
and shZ, that's not specifically aimed at you - we all do it.
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09-08-2008, 08:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-08-2008, 08:05 PM by CelticSecret.)
#21
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Quote:My apologies, I am under slept and didn't pick up entirely on your sarcasm. Forums aren't the most expressive medium, and body language is entirely absent. I'm going back to class for right now though. Peace.

No probs shZ

To be fair to you ,
After re-reading i could see how the softie post could have easily been misinterpreted .

Its true , the written word is so open to misinterpretation no matter how many daft smillies you use.[Image: 147.gif].
Affectations in the voice and body language can turn a sentence 180 degrees.

Despite having a vast range i could nt find a shocked smillie to put after the

"Awwe shZ that passive aggresive shit really worked did n't it ?" comment.

Hindsight tells me that would have made the world of difference.

Peace

I'll let you get back to your topic.
I am as innocent regarding any conspiracy as any of you gentlemen in the room.
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09-08-2008, 10:45 PM,
#22
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Quote:
Anthony de Mello (Awareness) Wrote:Do you think you help people because you are in love with them? Well, I've
got news for you. You are never in love with anyone. You're only in love
with your prejudiced and hopeful idea of that person. Take a minute to
think about that: You are never in love with anyone, you're in love with
your prejudiced idea of that person. Isn't that how you fall out of love?
Your idea changes, doesn't it? "How could you let me down when I trusted
you so much?" you say to someone. Did you really trust them? You never
trusted anyone. Come off it! That's part of society's brainwashing. You
never trust anyone. You only trust your judgment about that person. So
what are you complaining about? The fact is that you don't like to say,
"My judgment was lousy." That's not very flattering to you, is it? So you
prefer to say, "How could you have let me down?"
and shZ, that's not specifically aimed at you - we all do it.
The ranting of a scared juvenile conscience (not you, the dude you quoted... a Jesuit priest born in India who traveled to the US and Spain as well). Most people do not know what it means to care about another person, including their own blood. That is conditioning and social engineering that is relatively new, and started in the post industrial era with urbanization. This fear of caring about or loving another person, in any kind of relationship, be it a friend, family member, or a significant other stem from the fear of getting hurt shaped under a socially dysfunctional cultural framework. Not everyone has a problem admitting they are or were wrong about a particular issue, subject, or person. Only people with massive egos and insecurities can't admit to mistakes in judgment or opinion, which would be a good majority of the population as they live life with out thinking or reevaluating their inherited values and culture... not to mention they know practically nothing outside their limited sphere of exposure. People live their entire lives in fear and insecurities, never having any kind of psychological or emotional grounding. It is largely a result of never being loved or cared for, including by their own blood. Individualism, just like collectivism, has it's drawback. Individualism to it's logical end is extremely selfish, where as collectivism can be extremely lacking in a sense of self or self interest. It's the Hegelian dialect played out in a much more subtle form in the universe of social discourse and the social fabric. And anyone strongly subscribing to either will have serious neurosis and limitations on their intellect and psyche. It would do most westerners well to understand the concept of balance, ying and yang, that the Chinese have so simply and profoundly articulated in various contexts, but it pretty much applies to most things. Yin or Yang in isolation will only lead to imbalance, and in opposition, only to chaos... however organized or random that chaos is. Peace.
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09-08-2008, 10:50 PM,
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Quote:
Quote:My apologies, I am under slept and didn't pick up entirely on your sarcasm. Forums aren't the most expressive medium, and body language is entirely absent. I'm going back to class for right now though. Peace.

No probs shZ

To be fair to you ,
After re-reading i could see how the softie post could have easily been misinterpreted .

Its true , the written word is so open to misinterpretation no matter how many daft smillies you use.[Image: 147.gif].
Affectations in the voice and body language can turn a sentence 180 degrees.

Despite having a vast range i could nt find a shocked smillie to put after the

"Awwe shZ that passive aggresive shit really worked did n't it ?" comment.

Hindsight tells me that would have made the world of difference.

Peace

I'll let you get back to your topic.
No worries Celtic, miscommunication happens, especially over a medium where body language, the eyes, inflection, or facial expression cannot be observed. One usually needs to rely excessively on words to articulate what they're feeling or thinking to convey their message, something we normally don't do it day to day communication in person. No biggie, glad to see your civility and relaxed temperament shine though. Peace:).
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09-09-2008, 01:02 AM,
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yes both male and female have been conditioned

well i dont agree that females are better at dealing with stuff, thats such a female thing to say. in reality the man are actually 'better' at dealing with things due to never actually dealing with these things.

dealing with things, how do you deal with things, if you are not dealing with it, what are you doing lieing down in a padded cell and taking meds ?

on people lieing, yea, people lie. i say trust no one not even your mother. this is the way of the world, ofcourse trust is complex in nature

the exploitation of sex on a social level happens everywhere all the time. its like food to us realy. its like cosmo magazine defining the psyche of a generation of females.


i have found most females, well alot of females are very uptight, thats probaly the most common attitude i find in london. they look stressed and/or fearful.

im talking about the girls age 20-30

but if you goto the right places, or even different places you meet different people. there is alot of people out there
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09-09-2008, 02:00 AM,
#25
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Quote:
Anthony de Mello (Awareness) Wrote:Do you think you help people because you are in love with them? Well, I've
got news for you. You are never in love with anyone. You're only in love
with your prejudiced and hopeful idea of that person. Take a minute to
think about that: You are never in love with anyone, you're in love with
your prejudiced idea of that person. Isn't that how you fall out of love?
Your idea changes, doesn't it? "How could you let me down when I trusted
you so much?" you say to someone. Did you really trust them? You never
trusted anyone. Come off it! That's part of society's brainwashing. You
never trust anyone. You only trust your judgment about that person. So
what are you complaining about? The fact is that you don't like to say,
"My judgment was lousy." That's not very flattering to you, is it? So you
prefer to say, "How could you have let me down?"
The ranting of a scared juvenile conscience (not you, the dude you quoted... a Jesuit priest born in India who traveled to the US and Spain as well).
hmm... guess we're never going to agree on this one. i've read a lot of people and a lot of books in my 52 years and found no one who speaks the truth to me better than Tony de Mello. i'll not deny his message and position is innocent and naive, viewed from the 'real' world, the one you and i have to somehow operate within. He does not discuss 'practicalities'. He comes at everything from a position of Love and i suspect because of that, and his cosseted upbringing, although above everything else he preached 'Awareness', ironically, he was unaware of the potential wickedness of people, most particularly those in the church. so i guess you can call this juvenile. don't see how you can call him "scared" though, he stood up for what he believed in and i suspect it cost him his life - he certainly made powerful enemies, not least Pope JPII and his then time henchman, Ratshitter, or whatever his name is.

Quote:Most people do not know what it means to care about another person, including their own blood. That is conditioning and social engineering that is relatively new, and started in the post industrial era with urbanization. This fear of caring about or loving another person, in any kind of relationship, be it a friend, family member, or a significant other stem from the fear of getting hurt shaped under a socially dysfunctional cultural framework. Not everyone has a problem admitting they are or were wrong about a particular issue, subject, or person. Only people with massive egos and insecurities can't admit to mistakes in judgment or opinion, which would be a good majority of the population as they live life with out thinking or reevaluating their inherited values and culture... not to mention they know practically nothing outside their limited sphere of exposure. People live their entire lives in fear and insecurities, never having any kind of psychological or emotional grounding. It is largely a result of never being loved or cared for, including by their own blood. Individualism, just like collectivism, has it's drawback. Individualism to it's logical end is extremely selfish, where as collectivism can be extremely lacking in a sense of self or self interest. It's the Hegelian dialect played out in a much more subtle form in the universe of social discourse and the social fabric. And anyone strongly subscribing to either will have serious neurosis and limitations on their intellect and psyche. It would do most westerners well to understand the concept of balance, ying and yang, that the Chinese have so simply and profoundly articulated in various contexts, but it pretty much applies to most things. Yin or Yang in isolation will only lead to imbalance, and in opposition, only to chaos... however organized or random that chaos is. Peace.
i detest the whole notion of 'isms' - they are all lies. labels with which to identify, and to isolate.

how do you know "most people do not know what it means to care about another person"? i don't think this is true. i'm not saying that caring isn't warped and twisted and manipulated in modern society - but i think it's because people do care they can be manipulated into the most terrible action. if people didn't care they wouldn't participate. and the moment we 'care', we create emotional attachment - but to what? whatever, it doesn't matter, the point is, whenever that attachment is threatened we also feel threatened. doesn't matter if it's a girl or status or country or religion, or community. people care because they perceive that their wellbeing depends upon protection of their attachment. in one way there's nothing wrong with that, that's where community comes from, shared identity, shared attachment. the foundation of 'civilisation' - one must remember, no individual ever achieved anything of significance on their own.

As you say, community has been under attack since industrialisation and urbanisation (although i suspect authority always hated community and such was more of a catalyst) and the fragmentation of the family and social disenfranchisement continue to accelerate the process. and, as a consequence, turns out increasingly screwed up people. i hold up both hands in acknowledgement - i am undoubtedly a product:Dand no one is immune. we are all products of our genes and upbringing.

the question is about who to blame. or whether, in actuality, there's no one to blame at all!

every mystic from every religion, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu... doesn't matter, will tell you the same: "all is well" - a strange paradox, everything is in a mess, yet all is well...... and i can't remember where the fuck i was going with this argument... perhaps something to do with expectations, and people living up to them.

i'm not denying, any more than Tony is, the centrality of balance to any equation. one cannot serve self-interest, in the fullest, deepest sense of the word, without having Love for life, both one's own and all of creation.

peace man,


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09-09-2008, 03:48 AM,
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09-09-2008, 10:22 AM,
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09-09-2008, 02:19 PM,
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Quote:Be single, its the only way! No stress attached and you can do what you like!
Mess around sleep around and have fun when you choose :)
becomming too emotionally attached can be fatal and damaging
learn to love yourself first!

Oh yeah kids dont forget to wear a condom ...

For the Men
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For the Women
[Image: condoms2.jpg]

;)

Have Fun:)
I know you mean well MDZS bro, but I'm not a fucking animal.
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09-09-2008, 06:15 PM,
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It's good being single for a while though shz. Along with that it's good to be sexually free and not a slave to gender roles, which relationships are. Sex and love, although intermingled, are still two separate things. It's refreshing to be able to engage sexually with someone and not be gagged by lower level thought processes like jealousy and infatuation afterwords; plus, in these moments, you get closer to discovering what you truly want, not what you think you want, or have committed to wanting.

I went through some pretty heavy shit in the recent 3 years, but have been single for the last 2 and found a truth and beauty in it that I didn't even realize existed. Also, I got the chance to really become me and know me.

As far as I have seen, women and men are just simply different, which causes conflict. I find that women tend to get annoyed easier then men, especially when under stress, but I use myself as a baseline man and I smoke so much dope, getting upset happens rarely. Conflict is especially prone to arise strong emotional attachment or involvement is at play.

Another thing to remember is that no one can be at the same level. Someone will always be "more" in love than the other partner, which makes them an easy fall guy er person I mean.

One thing I know for sure is that women are pains in the ass, but we are to them conversely.

MDZS has the right idea, not in a sexual way, but in an individual way. Interdependence isn't bad, but one can have the capability to be interdependent if the are independent; however, if one is interdependent, they lack the ability to be independent.

Relationships are social constructs no matter how natural they seem, and a lot of the feelings that are created by relations between male and female, or any combination of the sexes for that matter, are bi-products of the reptilian brain and have the same grounding as territoriality.

Cherish your sanity and don't let anyone get to far under your skin, it'll keep the wrinkles away and a smile on your face.
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09-09-2008, 10:10 PM,
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when you are happy being by yourself, then you can just keep going, you will never become dependant on a relationship, unless you choose to and then you will always have the independance that you learnt.

to see people go from living with parents to living with a partner to getting married reaching 40 realizing they missed somthing and fucking it all up, only to miserable in their lonely state, not always, but you get the picture.
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