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10-06-2008, 11:34 PM,
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Topic Title: Current Eugenics.
Topic Description: UK goverment's nasty eugenic campaing against nice W. African people.

I am trying to work out why DEFRA, HM Revenue and Customs and the Food Standards Agency have a campaign to provide false information to West Africans in the UK.

This is their add:

It states:
“It is against the law to bring back meat and dairy products from outside the European Union”, and:
“Sir are you aware that it is against the law to bring meat and dairy products into the UK?”

In their email to me they state:
“it is illegal to bring meat and dairy products for personal use back into the UK from countries outside the European Union”

However, it is not hard to find tins of corned beef from Argentina and Brazil on just about every supermarket shelve. Argentina and Brazil are both outside the UK and outside the European Union.

DEFRA says that their real reason for preventing African meat coming to the UK is to prevent animal diseases coming to the UK (not the meat itself). However nowhere in their entire campaign does it state how to correctly import West African forest harvested meat, or inform people of the scientific character of the health concerns. DEFRA will not inform me which diseases are supposed to come with which form of meat.

Compared to healthy forest harvested African meat, EU meat is total trash. There is a small part about rubbish western meat in the Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott’s film “Corporation – The Pathology of Commerce”, but it does not go far enough into how eating western meat is different from eating traditionally hunted meat:

I believe that the UK government agencies are conspiring to endanger West Africans by forcing them to eat contaminated EU meat; meat grown with toxic hormones and other chemicals, whose long term implications have not been proven.

The advert intimidates West Africans to not enjoy their culture in the UK by preventing them from eating their traditional lean & healthy forest harvested meats; this socially undermines them, so that they will be discouraged from coming to the UK.

Is their a good writer out there who can compare DEFRA’s add against their email to me below, and can help me ascertain whether or not my deductions are correct?



10 January 2008 saw the re-launch of the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) personal food imports campaign ‘Don’t break the law, check the rules before you travel’ which continues to raise awareness of the personal food import rules. The re-launch included media interviews with the Minister for Food and Farming, Lord Rooker, and journalists from: television channels BEN TV and OBE, which reach the African and Caribbean communities in the United Kingdom (UK); Channel S which reaches Bangladeshi audiences; and an interview with the newspaper Sing Tao, which is aimed at readers from the Chinese community.

This new campaign - run by Defra together with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) and the Food Standards Agency (FSA) - reminds people that it is illegal to bring meat and dairy products for personal use back into the UK from countries outside the European Union (EU). There are also restrictions on bringing back other food products, including fish, shellfish, honey, eggs and certain types of fruits and vegetables.

The campaign’s aims are to:
• Reduce the amount of illegal food brought into the UK from travellers arriving from countries outside the EU.
• Increase awareness of the rules and regulations that are in place to restrict personal food imports amongst our target audiences.
• Encourage people to change their behaviour so that they don’t bring in illegal food products.

The campaign is focussed on three key messages:
• Why the personal food imports laws and regulations exist – to prevent the entry of animal and plant diseases into the UK.
• The implications of breaking the law – illegal products will be seized and destroyed by customs, you will face delays, and you could face prosecution or a fine.
• Availability in the UK – the campaign seeks to emphasise that most of the illegal products that are being brought in are available in the UK, so there’s no need to take the risk.

This campaign is a continuation of a combined Defra and HMRC ‘If In Doubt, Leave It Out!’ campaign, which was also aimed at BME audiences, and was launched on 25 October 2004.

Research shows that for some cultures bringing back food is a longstanding tradition. This is reflected by seizure rates, which show that most illegal food products are seized from people travelling from certain countries. Due to this the target audiences for this campaign are Black African (predominantly from Ghana and Nigeria), Bangladeshi, Black Caribbean, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Indian, Pakistani and Turkish.

The cross-media campaign includes a public information film, radio and print advertising across both ethnic minority and mainstream media. Posters and leaflets will be available in English, Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, Gujarati, Hindi, Punjabi, Turkish and Urdu.

The campaign includes significant community outreach activity with a team of trained staff who will visit key locations across the country, including community supermarkets, places of worship and shopping centres to explain the campaign’s key messages. The outreach team will visit over 30 locations around the country, including London, Birmingham, Bradford, Liverpool, Oldham, Manchester and Newcastle.

We have timed our activity so that it coincides with popular times for travelling such as Chinese New Year, Easter and half-term holidays.

10-07-2008, 08:09 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-07-2008, 08:20 PM by ---.)
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If this is your introduction then it is a fine place to start this thread notharry;)and a great nickname too.

To be honest(tbh) I'm not sure where I stand in terms of the issues you raise - controls on importing food and plant materials exist across much of the globe.

One reason is basically because much of the time - they make sense...(and of course sometimes they are just oppressive prohibition - I'm thinking more about in terms of psychotropic plants here tbh;) )

That's not to say that refusing people access to goods isn't without corruption. Of course the controls will be worked to put the screws on the poor of the world when and where possible, it's the nature of the beast..or the egregore, if you will.

Spam goes through quite an industrial process, I imagine, before being homogeneously sealed in tin cans - there will be strict health and safety protocols to be observed - spam makes me think of the Falklands/Malvines war tbh.

I'm sure eating meat from traditional hunting practices is far better for you than that of the poor caged hormone bloated cows etc that make the bulk of European meat market running that CJD gauntlet. But letting people carry whatever meat they wish across all borders is indeed a dangerous business and always has been.

Not to sound prejudicial though,but it also matters on species in terms of disease transference too. If by forest meats you include monkey flesh, I'd say that's been shown to be a 'recipe for disaster' already,cultural sensibilities aside.

I reckon you're going to make a great addition to the board, notharry - a very big welcome to ConCen:)
10-08-2008, 12:34 AM,
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Thank you nik, I am going to my local market tomorrow to interview African stall holdres on their opinion of the video. I will then present my results to the British government and ask them to officially apologise for the advert. The meats I like to eat are grass-cutter, antelope & porcupine. All forest harvested. None farmed or cage-grown. Forest harvested meat helps preserve the rain forest - "use it or lose it" - as the environmentalists say. It is important for Africans to gain the maximum capital for their non-destructed primary forests, so it is important for them to access western markets where the big bucks are. The British government by restricting imports is actually adding to deforestation. Here is a link that clearly states that cultural suppression through cultural and dietary estrangement as advocated by DEFRA will persistently diminish the ability of West African's to advance and prosper, and will make them socially vulnerable: Harry.
10-08-2008, 04:09 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-08-2008, 06:30 AM by ---.)
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I don't remember "The Corporation" going into forest harvested meats at all.. but it's a while since I saw it.

You indeed have a salient and multi-faceted argument - please keep us informed as to the progress of your campaign. The abstract you cite doesn't seem to be specifically stating 'food stuffs' but for sure such things can be viably contained under the aegis' of 'cultural estrangement' - that seems like an entirely defensible position.

In terms of the health of African economies - I ,personally,would place an emphasis more centered on the exploitation of it's mineral resources by western and asian multi-nationals/banks/governments,the intentional ouside plundering of African economic opportunities, the continual capitalisation by the arms trade perpetuating regional instability and conflict and the agenda to enforce a deprivation in health care, education, self sustainability and basically out and out fascist eugenicist programs rather than centering exclusively on the prohibition of exporting foodstuffs - although you're points are indeed salient and the effects of prohibiting African owned export markets is indeed a, if not the, overriding fundamental issue at the core of the matter. Cultural estrangement should rightly so not be overlooked or underestimated in impacts and mal-effects on disporic communities and the resultant wider sociological implications. I am glad you have brought the subject 'to the table', so to speak.

One thing about the Corporation though is it's treatment of DDT use - essentially as it having been disastrous for human populations when used - there is a strong counter opinion citing that this opinion stems directly from the camp of elitist propaganda, disseminated and spun out through a co-opted and largely insidious green agenda, suppressing vital information of DDT's effectiveness in combating Malaria - which has once again been since to massively increase unfortunately, since the banning of said chemical - I believe some African nations are now contravening this globalised 'ecological' prohibition and once again using DDT as it is the most useful and efficacious intervention available to hand in reducing malaria rates which, as said, have once again exploded since it's banning.

Otherwise it is a very good film IMO even if it does present TPTB as being faceless corporate executives - I believe it's possible to identify specifically many amongst the super-rich elites and architects of the scientific dictatorship that are actively pursuing criminal agendas against humanity - like Rothschild of course, banking cartels/families,RCC and the global monarchical and aristocratic structures etc like Li and the RIAA .

cheers (not)Harry
10-14-2008, 04:06 AM,
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