Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG

[Easy Skanking]

Quote:I would expect that adding multiple coils per rotor would increase the torque too, as you're putting more energy into the rotor rotation, but that'll be interesting to find out for sure. Another question on my mind is assuming you can generate enough torque to spin the alternator, how much is it going to cost you in terms of input to all the coils vs how much you get out from the alternator. It may end up being counter productive. Maybe a this is where the idea of a heavy fly wheel could be used?

One thing we have seen that the wheel has some interesting characteristics to it. When the wheel is spinning in resonance with no additional mass or load on the wheel itself, it produces a certain voltage. If there is a small physical or mechanical resistance applied to the wheel while in that resonant point, there is more voltage that the charging load sees. This extra energy will rise to some resistance level before it stops giving extra juice (drops back to the resonant voltage) and then the wheel cannot support that great of a physical load and the system will slow down and eventually stop. So like everything else here, there is a sweet spot that the system wants to run in. Having a free spinning wheel gives a certain output and then slightly increasing the wheel load gives an additional boost to the charging load. Go too far and the wheel won't run.

So, the objective here is to get the weight of the extra rotors in the sweet spot so there is additional energy output from the SSG side while spinning the conventional generator at it's required speed. Increasing the number of coils may be the way to get to the sweet spot as the weight of the extra rotor is fixed.

Quote:What exactly is back emf anyway? Since I'm still an electronics newb this is a fuzzy concept at best. Also I'm confused about the relationship between the back emf and the radiant spike are they different or is the radiant spike just another name for the back emf? Got a lot more reading to do.

Back EMF = Back Electromotive Force - which is a physical aka mechanical resistance to motors, generators and spinning wheels. This is an inverse relationship with the output energy from a motor or generator. Peter Lindemann has some good lectures and books on this particularly.

Back EMF = Back Electro Magnetic Fields - this is the reaction of the active vacuum (aka curvature of space-time) that is in relationship to conventional positive electricity whether DC or AC. This is radiant energy. If the conventional current is a fast transient with sharp gradients, then the back EMF or radiant spike is sharper than the original signal in amplitude and shorter in duration. The reaction of space-time is dependent on the amplitude and duration of the conventional current input. What the exact relationship is, I do not know.

The potential of this radiant energy seems to carry components of many kinds of potential, like negative energy, positive energy and mechanical energy at the least. It seems the only limitation to collecting these extra components is our cleverness in design.

Quote:I'm trying to understand how the circuit can be improved from the basic SSG setup to get more radiant energy out of it and get a COP of > 1.0 in terms of what I'm putting into the system on the input side vs what I'm getting out of the charging batteries via load testing them. You're way ahead of me so maybe you could give me a better idea of this...

The biggest factors to maximizing the radiant output are
1- having a system that is in resonance as far as RPM / Magnets Per Minute vs. current draw of the primary
2- having the supply voltage pulse with a very large amplitude and very short duration

Of course you have to scale the system components to deal with the conventional spike you are feeding it. The radiant energy operates on the skin effect so it is not directly affected by those components. Inductance changes and impedance changes in the system will create additional radiant inflow as well. Go back in this thread to see the experiments when we added additional inductance coils into the system.

Quote:In my own setup of the basic SSG I've got one coil and one transistor. My input current in 0.09 amps and the output to my charging battery is about 0.02 amps. In terms of what I'm putting into the charging battery, as indicated by a multimeter vs what I'm getting out of the charging battery I've got a COP of maybe 1.05 or something very small. So it appears I am getting some radiant energy from somewhere. However in terms of overall system COP it's very low far less than one maybe around 0.23, because I'm putting in 0.09 amps and getting out only slightly more than 0.02 amps from the charging battery plus a little bit of radiant. I know the output current into the charging battery will always be less than the input current and there is hidden radiant somewhere. The goal is to multiply the radiant part to the point where it goes above what my total input is into the system.

The amount of conventional current into your charging battery is NOT what is charging the battery. That you want to get as low as possible while having a low draw on the primary AND while getting the maximum RPM/MPM from the wheel. The drain from the primary is what is powering the electromagnets and driving the wheel. The reaction of space-time to the changing fields is what is being collected to charge the battery.

This particular SSG configuration is not a fast charging system or very efficient. The main point is to see what is going on and to produce a charging that will condition the battery and increase it's capacity and performance.

Quote:It looks like you're using multiple transistors now and that would multiply the switching and the radiant spikes but that would also increase the input current as well. How much does your current increase for each transistor you add? Also is the overall system COP improving with more transistors? What about the capacitor what's the advantage to using that? I know the capacitor will convert the negative radiant energy into positive energy but that's about it. Any other advantages? On the coil connected to the capacitor I notice the power side isn't connected to the primary battery, is it working like a generator making a very small dc current and in addition also capturing the radiant spikes in the capacitor?

When using one transistor the primary current draw was about 83mA. Two transistor circuit was about 78mA and with the four transistor circuit, the current is 75mA on the primary. Does that bake your noodle?;)
As these circuits are all in parallel, they use less power the more you put on the circuit, to a point. Bedini has mentioned this before specifically regarding the number of charging batteries.

The isolated output section is set up like the original Bedini SG circuit that used a trifilar winding. The trigger and power coils are closed loop with the primary battery and the third winding is isolated into a rectifier and cap network to discharge into a battery bank. In mine, I just used two coils. Electrically, the system sees ONE trigger coil and two output coils, the same as the original patent. One is a normal SSG and the second has a trigger side for the conventional pulse but the output is fed directly to the rectifier network and so on. The isolated winding does see an induced conventional voltage and it also gets radiant spikes. The cap converts the radiant energy into a more conventional charge and that charge is discharged into the battery. The SSG setup uses the radiant spikes themselves to charge the battery. This is less efficient as the battery is less capable of absorbing the fast transients and storing that charge as conventional electricity. A cap is better at this, so it would serve better when used in an output section as a collection device. Now as to which method is more efficient or faster or longer lasting, I am not sure yet. I have not been able to do long term testing on the iso output yet to make comparisons.

[JazzRoc]

Easy, could you retroactively back-edit your pictures to a max width of 800 pixels so your pics don't play hell with my screen?
I appreciate that big pix are good, but can't you stash them somewhere else so they can be referred to if necessary?

[psilocybin]

Jazzroc, get irfanview. You can batch resize pics with it easily.

[JazzRoc]

Psylo - I have it already. I want Easy to use it. This format doesn't automatically resize to 800 wide.

[Easy Skanking]

Get a functional browser, like Firefox, which resizes large images to fit your screen.

EDIT: In the light of an old dog and new tricks and for slower bandwidths, I've found that photobucket as hidden thumbnail generation, so I have changed those over.

[TeslaandLyne]

Just saw a link to the Bedini_Monopole3 yahoo group that had some monopole motor arrangement
and 24 magnets giving out 24v from a 12v batters or voltage doubling.

There seems to be a fast charge property taking use of the ether response of coils in that current will
remain constant the the voltage may jump 100x.

So if one is recharging at .16 amp and power is current times voltage, apparently 16 amp at normal
battery voltage takes place.

Well, the recharging does go quicker.

All the factors must be considered to be sure the coil did its work a equal energy in is always equal energy out
to the Relativist. More energy out than energy in, by way of coils, in non Relativistic.
Apparently Einstein was not a coil man or experimenter.

[0p0rat0r]

Hi Easy,

Still experimenting with the Bedini stuff? Did you ever get around to trying to hook up that multiple rotor bedini up to a conventional generator?

My roommate accidentally moved my coil and it caught onto some of my magnets and knocked them loose so I stopped running my experiments for a while. I managed to do about 13 or 14 charge discharge cycles and my cop results were underwhelming at slightly less than one, in terms of what I was putting into the secondary battery and what I was getting out. Of course I'm sure that's totally due to my own errors, such as not tuning as efficiently as I could have and also not discharging deeply enough, also my magnets were unevenly spaced being off by 1/4" to 1/8" etc.

I've since redone my magnets making them more evenly spaced and re-tuned my setup to be more efficient. I'm going to go with much deeper discharges now on the secondary battery too. Originally I was going with a very shallow discharge of the secondary battery now I'm going with a deep discharge. When load testing my batteries down to 12.2 volts I got about 12 amp hours out of them with about a C30 discharge rate. I'm still waiting on the first charge cycle to complete after draining the battery down. I started charging on March 17 with a resting voltage of 12.36. I've been recharging this battery 24/7 on the ssg until today April 1 and the voltage is now only up to 12.97. So it's a really slow process. My charge rate as measured going into the secondary is just 0.02 amps. I'm thinking about stopping the charging at 13.0 volts because I don't want to wait another month to get up above 14.0 volts. I'm hoping I'm going to start to see some improved cop results with these deeper discharges and way longer charge times.

I asked you a while ago about how I'd go about getting more radiant energy out of my setup and you replied:

The biggest factors to maximizing the radiant output are
1- having a system that is in resonance as far as RPM / Magnets Per Minute vs. current draw of the primary
2- having the supply voltage pulse with a very large amplitude and very short duration

In regards to point 2 having a supply voltage pulse with a very large amplitude very short duration, how can I increase the amplitude of my pulses? Is this done by running multiple coils and transistors in series so that the spikes add onto each other? Would adding another transistor in series on my single coil single transistor setup increase the amplitude of the spike? I'm not even sure that makes sense since I'm still a newb in electronics.

From my understanding improving the system is a matter of having multiple coils and transistors running in series to increase the amplitude of the voltage spikes, but to do this requires a very high quality build because the pulses coming off each coil have to happen at exactly the same time to produce the proper wave form and I imagine tuning gets tricky when running multiple coils in series with their own transistors.

[Easy Skanking]

Quote:Still experimenting with the Bedini stuff? Did you ever get around to trying to hook up that multiple rotor bedini up to a conventional generator?

Still working on it. Kinds of slow going lately. Doing some redesigns.

Quote:I've since redone my magnets making them more evenly spaced and re-tuned my setup to be more efficient. I'm going to go with much deeper discharges now on the secondary battery too. Originally I was going with a very shallow discharge of the secondary battery now I'm going with a deep discharge. When load testing my batteries down to 12.2 volts I got about 12 amp hours out of them with about a C30 discharge rate. I'm still waiting on the first charge cycle to complete after draining the battery down. I started charging on March 17 with a resting voltage of 12.36. I've been recharging this battery 24/7 on the ssg until today April 1 and the voltage is now only up to 12.97. So it's a really slow process. My charge rate as measured going into the secondary is just 0.02 amps. I'm thinking about stopping the charging at 13.0 volts because I don't want to wait another month to get up above 14.0 volts. I'm hoping I'm going to start to see some improved cop results with these deeper discharges and way longer charge times.

Just remember that the deeper you discharge batteries, the more sulfated they become. Also try to give batteries a rest period in between charge and discharge cycles so as to prolong the battery life.

With a single coil and single transistor circuit, yes the process is slow. That particular kind of setup is designed for mainly de-sulfation and conditioning of the batteries to charge with radiant energy more easily.

Quote:In regards to point 2 having a supply voltage pulse with a very large amplitude very short duration, how can I increase the amplitude of my pulses? Is this done by running multiple coils and transistors in series so that the spikes add onto each other? Would adding another transistor in series on my single coil single transistor setup increase the amplitude of the spike? I'm not even sure that makes sense since I'm still a newb in electronics.

From my understanding improving the system is a matter of having multiple coils and transistors running in series to increase the amplitude of the voltage spikes, but to do this requires a very high quality build because the pulses coming off each coil have to happen at exactly the same time to produce the proper wave form and I imagine tuning gets tricky when running multiple coils in series with their own transistors.

The way to increase the amplitude is to have many coils and/or many transistors firing at the same time in PARALLEL. Series will require more of a current draw and will degrade the system efficiency.
Yes, that is a more difficult process. If you are wanting to make a more efficient machine, then you have to make sure all measurements are the same including coil winding length, circuit construction symmetry, magnet spacing and distance from the coil, battery lead length, etc. I have noticed fairly significant charging rate differences with the same battery types but with different lead lengths.

Getting shorter duration pulses is limited by the transistor operation limits and how you have the system tuned. This is why the most simple circuit is the one Bedini put out for everyone to see. Having your system put on an O-scope is invaluable for this. Then you can see how the spikes look in comparison to your adjustments in addition to the RPM and current.

For increased radiant inflow, all you need is an additional inductor in the system. I had one hooked up in this thread with good results. That will create more of a cold boil in the battery and more charging.

[Easy Skanking]

Shameless bump...:D

[ToddTraf]

Not a shameless bump. I love this thread. But as an electrician I cringe at the mess you've made with your wires. WHY MUST YOU TREAT THEM THAT WAY? WHYYYYY? Your pictures and projects would look so much cleaner with some minor care when running your wires. Constructive critque!

[Easy Skanking]

:LOL:

Well, I won't take the blame for all of them. hehe
I wired the ones with clear insulated wires and kingamoth wired the circuits with red & black wires. I was definitely on his case about the mess as it would bite him in the ass if he were forced to do any troubleshooting....which it did when he did.;)
Mine were not nearly as neat as I would make them were it to be a permanent set-up. (Todd, you should have seen how particular I was with my guitar rack with separations of power, audio and control lines.:D) Since I am continually re-designing the whole thing or adding in or removing components, the wiring gets out of hand sometimes. I always go into the circuit thinking about unintentional capacitances or inductances and all that good stuff, so I initially leave the wires spread out. It's only afterwards that I make it look neater.

[McFly]

Hey Easy,

I have no technical knowledge whatsoever.
All the numbers and figures mean nothing to me.

How much output does this device produce?
Would you be able to power anything with it? Like an iPod or a calculator?

I like the wooden wheel one. Replace the duct tape with some ornaments, and that thing would look like a piece of art.
I definitely would not object to having such a thing spinning in my living room (especially if its powering my TV:P)

[Easy Skanking]

Yes and no. I'll try to make it simple as to why.

The direct output from one of these wheels is a pulsed DC output with very low current. While the outputs were around 12-14VDC as far as the batteries were concerned, there are spikes of up to 250VDC and up. The transient spikes are so fast that the battery is shocked (cold boiled) and the acid is then coaxed into a nice crystalline matrix by the spikes to take the 12-14VDC charge or NEGATIVE ENERGY. Electronics devices are very susceptible to voltage spikes as they don't have electrical choking components to absorb those spikes. They are meant to have a nice smooth regulated voltage supply. So, if you were to hook a sensitive device, like an iPod up to them, it would fry the device most likely. As we've shown in the experiments, it will run less sensitive devices like fans or small motors but not well as they are designed for higher current inputs.

Now, to make the Bedini wheels able to run devices, it's not difficult at all. For larger requirements, like a house, you use banks of batteries to run the load. Usually 2 separate load banks is a good number as you can have one charging and the other driving the load. For smaller items, a capacitor network can be set up directly on the output that you can tailor to your required CONVENTIONAL (OR POSITIVE ENERGY) voltage and current output. Bedini has also designed a solid state device using a cap network to drive devices directly, so the wheel can be done away with entirely if you understand the concept of what is going on here.;)

As a final mod to the system, you can split off some of the output and run it through an inverter and back to the input, so that it becomes a self runner. This would have to be switched over after it gets running but it would run for as long as the circuit is together. The input power can also be a solar panel, as I have done before.

The device is very simple BUT the type of energy that is coming out of the output IS NOT the same kind that is being used to run the circuits. As a simplification, the conventional or positive energy that we use in standard electricity can be viewed as a stream of electrons, or charges that contain mass, moving from one pole to another. The radiant energy, as Bedini calls it, also negative energy, can be viewed as a "hole", or massless charge, where an electron normally would be. This means that there is a voltage differential of about the same potential as an electron does but does not possess the same characteristics as conventional energy. That's what has to be kept in mind as devices will react differently with both kinds of electricity. Lights produce different wavelengths when run on negative energy sources than when they are run on conventional current. Circuits run cold instead of warm when radiant energy is involved, etc.

So keeping those things in mind, you can customize it to run most things. I just wish that I had funds to do the experiments that I have in mind. So many thoughts and not enough materials to do it with.

[McFly]

Hi,

Thanks for trying to make it simple, at least. :D
Unfortunately, I still don't get it. Forgive me.

Maybe its best if I ask this way:

- If you hook this wheel/system up to a (or several) battery bank(s), what kind of device would this system [Bedini wheel+ battery banks ] be able to continiously power? (if any)

Thanks.

[mastermg]

You could hook it up recharge car batteries, and then use a convertor to convert the 12 volt direct current to AC. However, I think it will only last a certain time before the battery will require more time to recharge when it is drained. Am I right about this?