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Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
11-06-2008, 03:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-10-2008, 12:00 AM by Easy Skanking.)
#46
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Quote:Hey Easy how did your mouse batteries work?:freaked:

They work just like a regular battery except the optical light was bright as shit.

Last night I decided to try charging some smaller batteries instead of the lead acid car batteries. I tried a pair of Duracell AA 1.5V batteries and a pair of Energizer AA 1.5V dry cell, or non-rechargeable, batteries. I did not change anything on the circuit other than the charging load and the wheel spun down to a much lower speed to accommodate the different load.

Once again, I will (eventually) put the experiment data into a spreadsheet, but here are some samples:

Two AA batteries in parallel as load:
Duracell AA#1 Standing: 1.02V Running: 1.23V and rising Stop: 1.03V and holding Standing: 1.03V
Duracell AA#2 Standing: 1.03V Running: 1.23V and rising Stop: 1.41V and falling Standing: 1.25V
Time________ 10:29PM 11/4/08_ 11:06PM_____________ 12:07AM 11/05/08_____ 12:35AM 11/05/08

Energizer AA#3 Standing: 1.40V Running: 1.47V and rising Stop: 1.58V and falling Standing: 1.48V
Energizer AA#4 Standing: 1.39V Running: 1.47V and rising Stop: 1.58V and falling Standing: 1.47V
Time_______12:09AM 11/05/08_ 12:14AM______________ 1:09AM 11/05/08_____ 3:35AM 11/05/08

As you can see, sometimes a battery will not take a charge even though the connections are good. I charged that battery by itself later and it was standing at 1.35V after charging for an hour. Sometimes they need a nudge with another device and sometimes they have to be disconnected and re-connected.

So I took the Energizer AA's and decided to put them to some real life testing outside the lab tests and put them in my Logitech Optical mouse to see how long they last compared to factory fresh batteries. When I first put them in, the light was much brighter than I have ever seen it before and it seems to be functioning normally.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-09-2008, 11:33 PM,
#47
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Coil winding video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvC2n2_YJhs...feature=related


MMM
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11-09-2008, 11:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-09-2008, 11:55 PM by Easy Skanking.)
#48
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Quote:Coil winding video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvC2n2_YJhs...feature=related


MMM

We have a similar setup with a cordless drill too. That makes winding soo much easier....

There is a specific way to wind them for more self inductance instead of self capacitance.

[Image: BifilarCoilConstruction.jpg]

The SSG is using a bifialar winding which is different from the original patent. The SSG uses the smaller diameter wire as a trigger and the larger as a power coil. The original patent uses a trifilar winding with a smaller gauge for a trigger, a larger gauge for a power coil and the same size larger gauge for an isolated output section.

The top of the coil winds up being the North pole.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

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11-10-2008, 02:57 AM,
#49
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Are you able to keep count with the turnings or measure the resistance after spun?
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11-10-2008, 03:10 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-10-2008, 03:17 AM by B4Time.)
#50
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Easy don't build an O-scope.What you can do is use your computer in ubuntu there is an O-scope program all you need to do is spend some cash for the hardware that hooks to the cpu.One of the reasons I use ubuntu.I checked on used O-scopes quite a lot of cash,if i remember when I started to look a decent scope was like 3000 used for the one I wanted.This is the link to the page the program is in the repo http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ .Yo u need the schematic from the link .I bought the parts but never put it together so I have not tried it yet but it looks promising.I,m going to try this first before I spend big money.



edit: was looking at the page some on the links are dead not a good sign.they all worked when I was there last.
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11-10-2008, 03:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-10-2008, 07:00 AM by Easy Skanking.)
#51
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Yes and yes, hilly.

The coil was 843 turns.
The trigger side (#26 wire) was 13 Ohms.
The power side (#23 wire) was 8 Ohms.

I recently changed the resistors out due to power rating. They were 1/4w but are now 1/2w with 530 Ohms total on the trigger side in addition to the coil. So trigger side, I'm looking at 543 Ohms total resistance and generating about 75mA current from the Primary Car battery when using 12V batteries. I'm not sure of the current through the power coil side. The 12V charging battery is seeing about 33mA conventional flow out of BOTH terminals even with the diode biased to flow into the charging battery.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-10-2008, 03:23 AM,
#52
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Quote:Easy don't build an O-scope.What you can do is use your computer in ubuntu there is an O-scope program all you need to do is spend some cash for the hardware that hooks to the cpu.One of the reasons I use ubuntu.I checked on used O-scopes quite a lot of cash,if i remember when I started to look a decent scope was like 3000 used for the one I wanted.This is the link to the page the program is in the repo http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ .Yo u need the schematic from the link .I bought the parts but never put it together so I have not tried it yet but it looks promising.I,m going to try this first before I spend big money

I have shied away from using a PC based Oscope because of the limitations of the AC coupled sound cards. They can't take a voltage spike of up to 700V! I'm either looking at a buffer amp for the card or a breakout box for some of the progs I do have...which I see that link you sent has the buffer circuit I was looking at.;)

Are you using that circuit currently, spud? How's the accuracy with xoscope?

The reason I ask is that the radiant spike is very short and very high. Most progs work okay for spectrum analysis and regular AC/DC analysis but what this circuit deals with is very transient.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-10-2008, 06:14 AM,
#53
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Bought the parts and the board but never put it together.I use my friends scope when I need it and he will not let it out of his site because it is not really his it's the people he works for but has permission to use it.i think he said it was worth near 20 grand and nice and portable a far cry from electronics class when you would drop a nut moving it from one bench to another.I let him hook it up when he comes because of the cost. He also plays with this tek in his spare time so he knows what he's doing.Right now I'm on hold with this I'm looking for a bull gear and it's bedplate.I'll shave the teeth off and get quite a few top of the line magnets and start with one coil and add more as I go.I was going to do a barrel design and put it to an old welder(tow around) but then I thought to myself how am I going to get it to turn to start it with all the force of 12, 500 lbs of force magnets ?answer I'm not,which is why I'm looking for a bull gear.I'll build a frame to hold all the coils but one and be able to slide then into place after I get it started.I'm going to try to have this take the place of solar panels and just try to buy off the shelf for the rest like the batteries for a home and all the rest been looking not cheap at all so I'm going to have to look around for some surplus,been to a few auctions already but no luck.One word of advice with the wood do not stand in front of it if your cranking the rpm's.The fist one was a bike wheel on a wood frame with the coil wound to a plastic twine spool and i set the gap between the wheel and the coil to 20 thousandths.when I got up to around 8000 rpms the spool cracked flew up into the wheel and shot at me like some threw a brick and left a nice mark on my chest the size of a beer can.I don't know if the wood flexed and the spool caught the wheel or the spool cracked and caught the wheel.After that little mishap I went all aluminum and all welded together and on the spool I drilled the hole only on one side so the top facing the wheel there is no hole for the rods to slip out in case that was the problem.Also if your going to up the voltage do not go more than 24 volts.You can increase it more but I blew about 200 dollars in transistors trying to up the voltage even with a good heat sink.The highest voltage I could get was about 34 volts with it running free(no work load) but the transistor was hot so 24 volts is all I will go when I get everything together.If I can't find what I need in a reasonable amount of time I'll rework the second one I built and add coils and make a small one first to figure out just how I'm going to set it up.One thing for sure this is not cheap to play with if you want to go all the way.the old lady just keeps looking at what I spend from time to time and shakes her head and that is just what she sees lol.

Right now I'm going back to playing with the joe cell and see if I can't figure this thing out the rest of the way(inspired by ctrl and scrode and high gas prices).Worse comes to worse I'll use it as hho.Stay away from the joe cell work group on yahoo it's been compromised.Lots of disinfo agents there IMO and others.I'm going to order here http://www.moe-joe-working.com/ .this guy was in the group when I first started and is a real cool guy.He opened this place because of all the disinfo being slung around in the other two groups.This week I think I'm going to order and join his group but first I have to finish buttoning up the house for winter and open a paypal account and donate here and take care of trout.then I'll be ready with everything else out of the way .Remember safety first be alert don't get hurt lol
What kills me makes me stronger !

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Your sitting in your comfort you don't believe I'm real,
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11-10-2008, 06:59 AM,
#54
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Interesting info, spud. Right now these are just test builds to see how the interactions work and what effects any changes have. So more permanent builds will def be of more solid construction, but I have to say... duct tape RULEZ!:LOL:

We actually had a stoner game going at one time of bouncing a badminton birdie off of the spinning wheels. Another time we had some small square magnets in a shallow dish near the wheel. We would slowly move the dish near the wheel and the mags would start spinning up on their points in the magnetic vortices. You could hear them spinning faster and with less and less pressure on the dish and then eventually the wheel would take them and shoot them out like a gauss rifle. TWOLITE heard it whizz by his head and shot out of the workshop and out of the garage door somewhere into the yard. It probably went about 100 feet or more and that sucker was humming! So, we are always careful.;)One time of brushing against it will instill that precaution pretty quick. I'm more concerned about the radiant spike igniting H or O in the batteries.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-10-2008, 02:32 PM,
#55
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
yes Easy I read that others have blown a few batteries.Never blew a battery while charging it yet,had one go in a car ounce back in the day.good thing it was winter and 8 degrees and I was covered in winter apparel ,the friend I was jumping got some good burns on his face but fully recovered.What I do for bats car bats more so is I built a metal enclosure bolted to the bench with one side open,the open side facing away from the work area so if it does go the blast and hot acid will go in a harmless direction and when I go to look at the bat while charging I put on my welding shield with hardhat and my welding leathers just in case.Protect your eyes buy a face shield from home depot or the like,if one does go it will be the best money you will ever spend.Oh and yes duct tape is an awesome thing.the military tape is the best 2 times the fiber and for times the glue of the store bought.I use to get if for free because I use to fix the duct tape factory glue mixing machine ounce a year.Hated working there glue all over the fecking place(just around the machine)Before I would go I would buy the cheapest pair of boots i could find and the oldest work close I owned.I would be 3 inches taller on the way out the door from all the glue stuck to my shoes.Everything i use to wear there would go right in there dumpster after I was done.
What kills me makes me stronger !

No favor asked no quarter given !

Your sitting in your comfort you don't believe I'm real,
You cannot buy protection from the way that I feel.

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11-11-2008, 12:30 AM,
#56
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Hey, spud. Have you or your friend run across any types of odd anomalies or odd things happening when you have been testing these?
I mentioned the regions of strong cold air previously in this thread and just ran across another that I find to be very strange but not really unexpected.

Does your friend have any tips as to increasing power output through either multiple circuits, coils or output devices?
I saw on the Yahoo group that one guy had put 80 of the circuits together. I'm not sure if he was full of it or not, but I'm starting to explore that area. The first was running 2 systems off of one primary. That configuration drew less from the primary than one circuit while retaining the same output, so I feel that is something to look into.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-11-2008, 04:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-11-2008, 04:41 AM by B4Time.)
#57
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
yes we both get the cold effect at times .I have a dvd I'll have to upload when I get a chance if I can find it that will go a ways in explaining these effects.Not specific to this project but all projects that use what we will call "energy from the vacuum" for now.The teslakita can produce cold and heat if I remember right depending where the conical coils are placed in the circuit.these peeps are swiss and live in a commune in the mountains.I could be wrong.The joe cell can produce heat and cold make people sick if you make a bad one and also reports of creating weather changes.I have to go over what I have to make sure the last statements are right for the teslakita and the cell.I never had this happen to me playing with it other than the cool feeling but then I could never really get a good stage 3 cell.Just did a search on teslakita this is not the name but close now I really have to find the dvd.Peter A. Lindemann is the man that gave the lecture so look on the bay or isohunt for him and there is a pdf that is in torrent form.The name of the pdf is The Free Energy Secrets of Cold this is on Edwin Gray and tesla's work.Don't bother downloading the vids I think I was on them for two weeks before they came in.I have then in my collection for sure just a matter of finding them and covert it back to avi might even have the originals still in avi form.this is most likely the best bet for a system that can do work but this is not for the faint of heart you can really get hurt if your not careful and I mean hurt bad like dead ..Peswiki had a guy called GM that had one working, a test model on a bench but was not handing out the plans for fear someone would kill themselves.No matter I have then now or something close.I haven't checked on his work I a while so I don't know if he's still working on it but the page should still be there

80 circuits yes pretty sure this is the guy that sells the kits for this project and he also sells a battery charger for 200 bucks.I think this is on his lawnmower which he has been driving in a parade every year.there is a utube video and I also talked to this guy on the phone about his charger.He said people have put them in cars but keep killing the bats.The transistor is the weak point here voltage increases the effect and I would guess that a stronger magnet would also increase it just our best guess.neither of us have played with multiple circuits yet but would give you more charge back to the bat and more force to do work with.Neither one of us want to bring these stronger magnets into our homes and these things if your not careful can take a finger off if they attract to one another and your finger is in the wrong place well maybe not off but your going to go have it set for sure.Now the tesla gray design used 6000 volts and a spark gap and what gray called Conversion tube to pick up the cold electricity and had no problem getting a massive effect.If you can't find the pdf I'll start scanning again lol.Just pm me or post here.I really have to get my friend here to talk to you Easy he's much better at this than I am but he travels a lot for work and I don't think he will come here for one reason or another but he told me one day he had some real weird things going on but who knows what he was trying with his rig.I not the nervous type but this guy gives me that oh shit feeling some times when he says hey lets try this or that.I'll see if I can give you his email when he gets in touch with me when he comes home.I have his work email to keep in touch but I can't hand that out not that he replies with anything other than hello how you doing I'll be home at such and such a date.
What kills me makes me stronger !

No favor asked no quarter given !

Your sitting in your comfort you don't believe I'm real,
You cannot buy protection from the way that I feel.

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11-12-2008, 02:13 AM,
#58
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
From what I have read, any additional inductance in the circuit will increase the flow of radiant energy. That seems to be what the Everett variant makes use of by an additional transformer wound for self inductance.

As to the strength of the magnets, that seems to be partially right. On the larger Bedini wheels he is using two magnets pushed together with the north poles facing in. Whether this is for the strength or because of the number of collector coils, I'm not sure. This generates a scalar north in addition to the already present scalar south poles with magnet spacing. The pole produced is a very sharp gradient spike with a much large lobe than a standard magnets pole. Actually this might be verging on using the spins of the poles on the magnets by creating vortexes from the combining of the various spins. Possibly the gating function that Howard Johnson mentions in his "Spintronics" book on magnets may be a combinant factor as well. To use it in an SSG configuration might not work though, as we tried that configuration early on in our experiments but could not get any results. There were other complicating factors, so we are going to try this again later. The sharper the gradient and the higher the amplitude of the signals generates more of a radiant response as well. This would be a sine wave vs. saw wave for example. That might be part of the appeal of the scalar north as well.


The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity (PDF)
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-14-2008, 12:18 AM,
#59
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
I tried a similar circuit to this schematic last night. I used my original circuit and just connected a 200 winding bifilar of #23 and #26 connected as shown.

[Image: Bedini_w_bifilar.gif]

The circuit would not run and the coil got hot. So back to the drawing board to make sure the connections are where they need to be. I might have to construct a different circuit with the component values shown so that it could handle a higher voltage.

I am also looking into this as having additional output:

[Image: 3004856601_15a621983a.jpg]
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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11-14-2008, 03:52 AM,
#60
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Shit I'm so far behind and haven't used in a while, plus they just didn't teach this much into mag. Could the overheat be the back EMF?

If you build the larger one are you going to use the rheostat or a Pot in place of it?
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