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KopBusters!
12-09-2008, 05:59 AM,
#1
KopBusters!
Turnabout is fair play, bitches!

Quote:Like Mark Draughn, I've been somewhat skeptical of Barry Cooper, the former drug cop turned pitchman for how-to-beat-the-cops videos. He comes off as more of a huckster than a principled whistle-blower, which I think does the good ideas he stands for (police reform) more harm than good.

But damn. I have to hand it to him. This might be one of the ballsiest moves I've ever seen.

KopBusters rented a house in Odessa, Texas and began growing two small Christmas trees under a grow light similar to those used for growing marijuana. When faced with a suspected marijuana grow, the police usually use illegal FLIR cameras and/or lie on the search warrant affidavit claiming they have probable cause to raid the house. Instead of conducting a proper investigation which usually leads to no probable cause, the Kops lie on the affidavit claiming a confidential informant saw the plants and/or the police could smell marijuana coming from the suspected house.

The trap was set and less than 24 hours later, the Odessa narcotics unit raided the house only to find KopBuster’s attorney waiting under a system of complex gadgetry and spy cameras that streamed online to the KopBuster’s secret mobile office nearby.


To clarify just a bit, according to Cooper, there was nothing illegal going on the bait house, just two evergreen trees and some grow lamps. There was no probable cause. So a couple of questions come up. First, how did the cops get turned on to the house in the first place? Cooper suspects they were using thermal imaging equipment to detect the grow lamps, a practice the Supreme Court has said is illegal. The second question is, what probable cause did the police put on the affidavit to get a judge to sign off on a search warrant? If there was nothing illegal going on in the house, it's difficult to conceive of a scenario where either the police or one of their informants didn't lie to get a warrant.

Cooper chose the Odessa police department for baiting because he believes police there instructed an informant to plant marijuana on a woman named Yolanda Madden. She's currently serving an eight-year sentence for possession with intent to distribute. According to Cooper, the informant actually admitted in federal court that he planted the marijuana. Madden was convicted anyway.

The story's worth watching, not only to see if the cops themselves are held accountable for this, but whether the local district attorney tries to come up with a crime with which to charge Cooper and his assistants. I can't imagine such a charge would get very far, but I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try.
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TV News segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Fu4YVH8nA...player_embedded

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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12-09-2008, 09:12 AM,
#2
KopBusters!
awesome!!
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12-14-2008, 12:21 AM,
#3
KopBusters!
Quote:awesome!!

If you liked that check out the sneak previews page.... there are more clips.

On another note...

I've got to disagree with ex-cop Barry in one regard, and this is from personal experience and
gut feeling... Barry said to hide your stash under you dash... as for me, I prefer to keep my stash
right in my pocket... except when I flew to Europe,... in between the bum cheeks... ready for an upward elevation adjustment if need be.

I don't know how well this would go down in the USS of A, but here in Kanuckistan, if the cops ever did pull
a Southern USS of A style "random or suspicious drug pulll-over", the coppers would make up whatever bogus
excuse they felt necessary to either ask permission to search your car or they'd invoke probable cause and do it
anyhow... coming up dry in their search of your car, they'd likely send you on your way, dope in pocket.

What I'm trying to say here is this... you need to weigh your own options and risks and play the dumb cops stupid game.

If you're transporting pounds of weed this obviously wont work for you, but if you've only got a 1/4 oz in a sandwich baggie,
it really is better off on your person. They'll search your car before you... Everytime... And if the car comes up clean, so do you,
Pass Go, collect $200.

If the cops find nothing in the car THEY HAVE NO REASON TO SEARCH ME, WHICH CAN ONLY BE DONE UNDER ARREST/probable cauuse. (which after fulfilling their request to GRANT PERMISSION
to search my car is not likely, and the probable cause is NULLIFIED.

Please reread the above paragraph.

Allow me to phrase this another way...

Cop: May I please search your car?
You: Sure
Cop: I found nothing have a nice day...
You: You too officer, bye.

Here's what it boils down to...

Cop: May I please search your car?... HE JUST LIMITED HIMSELF TO THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF HIS ACTIONS (provided you pass the copper's test)

Want that bag of weed in your glovebox or in your pocket? ;)
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12-14-2008, 01:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-14-2008, 01:10 AM by Hans Olo.)
#4
KopBusters!
Makes a lot of sense, what you say, Ctrl. So, if it's only a small bag, keep it in your pocket and let them search your car. However, that way they COULD plant a bag in your car. I believe that's what they did to that girl, which was the reason for the episode taking place in that county.

And you're right again, there are many factors that come into play. If you look like an average Joe, short hair, nice shirt, clean car, you could get away with not letting them search your car easier. If you have a big bag of goodies, don't let them search your car under any circumstances. They will find it. In another Cooper-Video he shows an idiot who does just that. I believe it was "never get busted" - I recommend it.
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12-14-2008, 02:35 AM,
#5
KopBusters!
However, when you look like me (long hair, piercings), then they will search you and your car regardless of what you say or do. Then when they don't find anything, they say that there is weed all over the floorboards and rest of the car even though a child can tell that the plant material they are describing is Bermuda grass not Jamacain weed.;)

Fuck tha' police, fuck tha police, fuck 'em!
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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12-14-2008, 10:57 AM,
#6
KopBusters!
> Then when they don't find anything, they say that there is weed all over the floorboards and rest of the car even though a child can tell that the plant material they are describing is Bermuda
> grass not Jamacain weed.

So basically, you're a walking, talking probable cause :P
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12-14-2008, 09:55 PM,
#7
KopBusters!
BTW, do not use that technique in the UK.

They will search you and if they find anything dodgy, then they have cause to search your car, if not, generally they wont. In the UK it is much better to hide your stash in your car.
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12-14-2008, 10:57 PM,
#8
KopBusters!
Quote:> Then when they don't find anything, they say that there is weed all over the floorboards and rest of the car even though a child can tell that the plant material they are describing is Bermuda
> grass not Jamacain weed.

So basically, you're a walking, talking probable cause :P


What's really funny is I had the look going before I ever had a toke. The look reflects me and the smoking just happened along after. But, since I look different, I get targeted for not following the "group think".
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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12-14-2008, 11:20 PM,
#9
KopBusters!
Back when I had a car I screwed a small box into the firewall under the hood of my car. I had a 1990 Cavalier that was a real junker so it was easy to do and really accessible. Well, for anyone who works on cars, 'accessible' means a lot of different things, but if you were trying to get 4+ ounces home it made you feel pretty safe. I've seen real assholes feel around the tire wells and tear up the trunk, but I've never seen a cop pop a hood and poke around. You're still not safe from dogs of course, but you can't do much against those stooly bastards.

If you're not the mechanic type, a friend of mine just put a little case under his battery. Of course you have to make sure it won't interfere with anything and won't overheat and literally vaporize your shit. But there are quite a few cool spots and empty spots under the hood, of most older cars at least.

Peace.

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12-14-2008, 11:24 PM,
#10
KopBusters!
Quote:BTW, do not use that technique in the UK.

They will search you and if they find anything dodgy, then they have cause to search your car, if not, generally they wont. In the UK it is much better to hide your stash in your car.
Are you saying they have the right to search your body without reasonable suspicion?
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12-15-2008, 01:35 AM,
#11
KopBusters!
Yes, the laws here allow your pockets to be checked without much cause, to combat knife crime. I think the criminal justice bill (nice doublethink) brought it in and its ben tweaked since.

Watching the police programmes that are so popular now, this seems to be the case.
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12-15-2008, 04:01 AM,
#12
KopBusters!
Quote:Yes, the laws here allow your pockets to be checked without much cause, to combat knife crime. I think the criminal justice bill (nice doublethink) brought it in and its ben tweaked since.

Watching the police programmes that are so popular now, this seems to be the case.
They are the worst place to look for validation. You need to check whether their laws have stood up in court.
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12-15-2008, 04:21 AM,
#13
KopBusters!
1/2 oz or smaller... gas cap flap it. most cars now have the auto release, so it's pretty safe. this method is extra good if your gas cap is on the passenger side.
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12-15-2008, 04:23 AM,
#14
KopBusters!
I think they have to have probable cause. Rolling up the windows with just enough room to hand out driver's license. If you get out, closing the door and if they ask, saying no.

ES, I'm old now but in the 70s my hair was below my belt and yes, they do look at you funny. That use to piss me off and still does. Walk in a store and the rent-a-cop follows you. We passed around a cigerette one night (4 of us) and made sure we were in front of a cop. He pulled us over (we were actually clean that night), stuck his head in the car and said, "Do I smell something funny boys? What is that smell?" Jeff grinned in the back and leaned up and said, "Probably my feet man, I just pulled my shoes off." That cop never pulled us over again, especially when it got around town.
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