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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
04-09-2009, 11:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-09-2009, 11:32 AM by rsol.)
#61
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
http://www.heathrowairwatch.org.uk/about.p...&item=1#mid

THIS is what aircraft do on a local level. please not that this is due to burning stuff. for some reason, its alot of other things apart from a few carbon atoms and hydrogen.

To the chemtrailers. ill say this again. if its being burnt its not going to be much good. And if you want to "fumigate" the population you really have to be a lower towards the ground. There is plenty of harm being done in the local area where these planes are taking off. Asthma and bronchitis to start. These are felt in people living in and around the heathrow area. please look this up. many complaints with little or no feedback from UK.gov as always. Air craft are not all lovely pollution free things but that doesn't mean anything insidious is going on, apart from denial of health issues.


what the idea behind this is about the "global cooling" in the 1950-70s due to high particulate matter (soot). Im bored of going over this explanation. Jazz if you still think water is transparent then thats your bag. just to quote

Quote:It's also fairly obvious if you know that sunlight never reaches the floor of an ocean. By your reasoning, water is black.

And by yours we should be able to see through to the bottom.
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05-04-2009, 10:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-04-2009, 10:32 PM by JazzRoc.)
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:There is plenty of harm being done in the local area where these planes are taking off. Asthma and bronchitis to start. These are felt in people living in and around the heathrow area.
Asthma and bronchitis are a response to the combined effect of pollens AND other dusts (household and industrial). For some reason combinatory effects are poorly researched. I lived downwind of that area on occasion, and a certain times of the year, for me, breathing became difficult to achieve.

Quote:Jazz if you still think water is transparent then thats your bag. just to quote

Quote:It's also fairly obvious if you know that sunlight never reaches the floor of an ocean. By your reasoning, water is black.
And by yours we should be able to see through to the bottom.
No light penetrates beyond a kilometre in the ocean. (Which I DID mention.)

But no clouds contain a kilometre column of water in them either. In fact the column equivalent of water in a cloud is likely to be less than a metre. Hence clouds are NOT darkened by their water content, which is what YOU were contending.

Thanks for that piece on GW with the stunning rebuttal.:)
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05-05-2009, 03:46 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-05-2009, 03:52 AM by rsol.)
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
ahhh but they are. rain clouds are dark. unless things have changed. maybe...just maybe light behaves differently with water depending on its composition? just maybe... right then you finally agree. lets move down the rabbit hole now...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_brightening

Quote:Some climate scientists have theorized that aircraft contrails (also called vapor trails) are implicated in global dimming, but the constant flow of air traffic previously meant that this could not be tested. The near-total shutdown of civil air traffic during the three days following the September 11, 2001 attacks afforded a rare opportunity in which to observe the climate of the United States absent from the effect of contrails. During this period, an increase in diurnal temperature variation of over 1 °C (1.8 °F) was observed in some parts of the U.S., i.e. aircraft contrails may have been raising nighttime temperatures and/or lowering daytime temperatures by much more than previously thought.

Quote:Airborne volcanic ash can reflect the Sun's rays back out into space and cool the planet. Dips in earth temperatures have been observed from large volcano eruptions such as Mount Agung in Bali that erupted in 1963, El Chichon (Mexico) 1983, Ruiz (Colombia) 1985, and Pinatubo (Philippines) 1991. But even for major eruptions, the ash clouds remain only for relatively short periods.


Now quick pop quiz.

if light is being "reflected" that would mean a bright reflective colour would it not? What colour absorbs light?
clue: its not white.
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05-05-2009, 09:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-05-2009, 10:00 AM by JazzRoc.)
#64
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:right then you finally agree. lets move down the rabbit hole now...
Are you mad? I don't agree with you at all.

Quote:aircraft contrails may have been raising nighttime temperatures and/or lowering daytime temperatures by much more than previously thought.
That isn't the current scientific consensus.

Quote:Airborne volcanic ash can reflect the Sun's rays back out into space and cool the planet.
Not CAN.
DOES.
But the ash is an OPAQUE GRAY. It will reradiate SOME energy out to space in the infra-red, reflect a TEENY bit of WHITE LIGHT, AND also lose some energy by warming the surrounding air by conduction.

Quote:the ash clouds remain only for relatively short periods.
Of up to TWO YEARS...

Quote:Now quick pop quiz. if light is being "reflected" that would mean a bright reflective colour would it not? What colour absorbs light? clue: its not white.
NO. IT IS A MIRROR. Didn't you ever learn about TOTAL INTERNAL REFLECTION?

Boy, when you fail, you don't do half-measures, do you?
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05-06-2009, 10:54 AM,
#65
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
yawn jazz.

Quote:Are you mad? I don't agree with you at all.

didnt think so. you also cant grasp sarcasm. and Reflection is not always to do with mirrors. All light that you see in a diffuse fashion is reflected. thats why you can see an object. if it doesn't reflect any light it would appear black to the observer.
Quote:That isn't the current scientific consensus.

says who? you? update the wiki with the relevant facts then.

Quote:Not CAN.
DOES.

Yes thats you to a tee mate. go and write this all down in wiki if you feel like they have got it so wrong. Your need to disagree is making you look a little childish so please keep the kid remarks to yourself. i couldn't give a shit if you invented the H-bomb, if you talk down to people all the time you are just going to look like a child.

try . just have a go. when you have finished writing what you've written. read it back to yourself and ask "do i sound like an informed individual willing to pass information to others or just an arrogant git?" try it. just once.
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05-06-2009, 07:47 PM,
#66
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
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Chemtrails... Obama's 'Geo-Engineering' Plan For the Planet Mirrors Council on Foreign Relation's Documents!
(april 2009)

The Obama administration's announcement that it is to consider radical planetary "geo-engineering", such as "shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays", exactly mirrors recent publications penned by the elite Council On Foreign Relations.

Yesterday the Associated Press reported that the Obama administration has held discussions regarding the possibility of "geo-engineering" the earth's climate to counter global warming.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...THNVtgD97ECHLG1

The AP report states that Obama's science advisor John Holdren is pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored such as creating an "artificial volcano". Despite Holdren's admission that such measures could have "grave side effects," he added that, "we might get desperate enough to want to use it."

Such ideas exactly mirror those put forth by the CFR in previous years.

In briefing notes published in May 2008 from the CFR's Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering, the elite internationalist group lays out the exact same radical ideas now being touted by the Obama administration.

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05-06-2009, 07:55 PM,
#67
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Bye bye food. What a great idea, that should see off a fair amount of us. Last one to Svalbard's not part of the gang!
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05-06-2009, 08:00 PM,
#68
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMPD1Hhxv8
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05-07-2009, 02:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2009, 02:48 PM by JazzRoc.)
#69
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:Reflection is not always to do with mirrors.
Except in the case of suspended droplets of water, WHERE IT IS.

Quote:says who?
Er, all the science papers on the atmosphere I have been reading lately. Want some refs?

Quote:If you talk down to people all the time you are just going to look like a child
It's a relative thing. Here, my head is bent downward, imparting information. Elsewhere it is bent upward, asking for information.

Quote:"do i sound like an informed individual willing to pass information to others or just an arrogant git?" try it. just once.
Ironic.:)
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05-07-2009, 02:53 PM,
#70
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMPD1Hhxv8
COOL! I just LOVE science fiction.:)
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05-07-2009, 03:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2009, 03:33 PM by JazzRoc.)
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:The AP report states that Obama's science advisor John Holdren is pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored such as creating an "artificial volcano". Despite Holdren's admission that such measures could have "grave side effects," he added that, "we might get desperate enough to want to use it."
Recipe for one artificial volcano:
1. - Take one 10 megaton thermonuclear bomb out of your arsenal. Place on a deserted atoll in the Pacific.
2. - Ship 100,000,000 tons (33 million cubic metres) of magmatic rock to place in a cone 5800' high, right over the 'device'.
3. - Light the blue touch paper and retire immediately.

Sounds lovely. Goes with that SCIFI film. It'd be a lot cheaper, too. In the short run...

What I can't understand is that we KNOW we're wasting energy, we KNOW we shouldn't burn fossil materials, we KNOW that fifty years from now, no matter what happens, we WON'T be burning them (much), and we're even CONSIDERING DOING THIS.

No-one considers for a moment growing their own food, surrounding themselves with food forests, recycling their own poo, riding bicycles, forging links with their biosphere, conserving and slowing the movement of fresh water through our landscape, planting trees up to the tree-line, severely restricting fishing practices until fish stocks are restored to what they were 100yrs ago, carefully monitoring the effects of temperature, acidity, on ocean phytoplankton.

We can't get past the tragedy of the commons. It's tragic, all right.

Yes, I know, this sensational article is by WIKI, so don't read it Hilly.
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05-07-2009, 08:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2009, 08:40 PM by ---.)
#72
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:
Quote:The AP report states that Obama's science advisor John Holdren is pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored such as creating an "artificial volcano". Despite Holdren's admission that such measures could have "grave side effects," he added that, "we might get desperate enough to want to use it."
Recipe for one artificial volcano:
1. - Take one 10 megaton thermonuclear bomb out of your arsenal. Place on a deserted atoll in the Pacific.
2. - Ship 100,000,000 tons (33 million cubic metres) of magmatic rock to place in a cone 5800' high, right over the 'device'.
3. - Light the blue touch paper and retire immediately.

Sounds lovely. Goes with that SCIFI film. It'd be a lot cheaper, too. In the short run...

What I can't understand is that we KNOW we're wasting energy, we KNOW we shouldn't burn fossil materials, we KNOW that fifty years from now, no matter what happens, we WON'T be burning them (much), and we're even CONSIDERING DOING THIS.

No-one considers for a moment growing their own food, surrounding themselves with food forests, recycling their own poo, riding bicycles, forging links with their biosphere, conserving and slowing the movement of fresh water through our landscape, planting trees up to the tree-line, severely restricting fishing practices until fish stocks are restored to what they were 100yrs ago, carefully monitoring the effects of temperature, acidity, on ocean phytoplankton.

We can't get past the tragedy of the commons. It's tragic, all right.

Yes, I know, this sensational article is by WIKI, so don't read it Hilly.

Unfortunately in terms of the food principle, it would require acts which are defined as almost tantamount to terrorism/sedition nowadays...and which already have been in numerous countries in the 'South'.
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05-09-2009, 01:40 AM,
#73
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:Unfortunately in terms of the food principle, it would require acts which are defined as almost tantamount to terrorism/sedition nowadays...and which already have been in numerous countries in the 'South'.
When one's government abrogates responsibility (if not before) then it becomes incumbent upon the individual to assume that responsibility.
Any responsible anarchist wouldn't be taken by surprise.
These days, though, with the purchaseable technological power that states may possess, it may be a reasonable stance not to trumpet one's existence.
At all...
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05-09-2009, 02:17 AM,
#74
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:
Quote:Unfortunately in terms of the food principle, it would require acts which are defined as almost tantamount to terrorism/sedition nowadays...and which already have been in numerous countries in the 'South'.
When one's government abrogates responsibility (if not before) then it becomes incumbent upon the individual to assume that responsibility.
Any responsible anarchist wouldn't be taken by surprise.
These days, though, with the purchaseable technological power that states may possess, it may be a reasonable stance not to trumpet one's existence.
At all...

for sure..bit late for that though for some of us..
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05-09-2009, 09:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-09-2009, 09:37 AM by mexika.)
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
what ever it is that they are having to spray in the skies, we are not getting straight answers from the number one source "Government!" We go around guessing of this and that, but what is the government and media not telling us. We live in America or the planet where this thing is happening, yet, we do not have a true concrete answer of why we are getting sprayed. Seems to me that as we see all the spraying going around all over the globe and people see it, we can't get a simple answer from government or the media, radio, or anyone. We speculate, yet we as people of the planet do not know and people are not rising to questions in the millions from 7.8 billion people on earth? WTF is going on, we simply do not matter to government because if we did we would have it plain by now and we would know. We can say that what is happening is Plain and Blind and as cattle they do not see the human race as important enough to disclose the true nature of what we see in the skies everyday. We do not matter to the secret OPS. And they simply do not care if we see those white trails in the sky, they do not care, and they could are less of what you think, unless you are acting and asking hard core questions to those who see the planet populace not worthy of any answers. Basically, someone is laughing at us, the whole human race on the planet. Someone simply could care less about any visible spray patterns in the sky and any people below watching those white patterns all over the sky. Someone simply does not consider anyone worthy for getting concrete answers. To them, we are simply rodents with no power to contest or get answers...
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

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