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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
01-14-2009, 01:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2009, 01:46 PM by rsol.)
#16
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
reflection and refraction are two different things. You should know that more particles in water change its refraction and reflectivity.

CLEAR water refracts as glass does. but particulate water, be it soot or dust, whatever. cuts that refraction down. less refraction means even more reflection and absorption.

yes high alt clouds are white, but that not low level cloud is it?
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01-15-2009, 03:03 PM,
#17
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:reflection and refraction are two different things. You should know that more particles in water change its refraction and reflectivity.
No, they don't. They maybe absorb or scatter. If soluble they may alter refraction. A single molecule may seed a water droplet. The fact that it is seeded generally consigns it to a lower altitude. It gets brought to earth, or sea.

Quote:CLEAR water refracts as glass does. but particulate water, be it soot or dust, whatever. cuts that refraction down. less refraction means even more reflection and absorption.
As I have said, the tendency for seeded droplets is that they FALL. This is the reason why the stratosphere is clean, relatively cloud-free, and has a tendency to supersaturate. Supersaturation is impossible in the presence of nucleating materials of any sort, for obvious reasons.

Quote:yes high alt clouds are white, but that's not low level cloud is it?
Droplets can be and generally are seeded by a SINGLE MOLECULE. You could take such a droplet, put it on a plate, and evaporate that droplet away, and search ALL DAY with an electron microscope and NEVER FIND the molecule that seeded it.

Do you get it? There's VERY LITTLE MATERIAL INVOLVED. Clouds are the way they are because of the physics of light distribution, and NOT because of your "imagination"!:)
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01-25-2009, 08:43 PM,
#18
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
What a crock of shit.

The chemtrails are the CAUSE of the warm anomolies, and now currently, the "new ice age" bullshit cold anomolies we're having.

This proposition to use intentional atmospheric pollution to solve climate issues brought about by , intentional atmospheric polliution? LOL

chase tail much?
geeeerrrr 'ngeeeeeeerrrrr 'ngeeeeeeerrrr
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01-27-2009, 03:59 AM,
#19
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jyFuV_-dnRs
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01-28-2009, 10:57 PM,
#20
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
such arrogance to assume we understand it all enough to start manipulating it.
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01-29-2009, 02:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-30-2009, 11:00 AM by JazzRoc.)
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shoobdebabde: "What a crock of shit. The chemtrails are the CAUSE of the warm anomolies, and now currently, the "new ice age" bullshit cold anomolies we're having. This proposition to use intentional atmospheric pollution to solve climate issues brought about by , intentional atmospheric polliution? LOL chase tail much?"

Chemtrails DON'T EXIST. NO PROOF OF THEM EXISTS. CONTRAILS PERSIST IN A SATURATED STRATOSPHERE.

Weather IS anomalous: it VARIES from day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month, year-to-year, decade-to-decade.

A "proposition" isn't something that has happened.

Atmospheric pollution has NEVER been intentional at all. "Chasing tail" is the feeling I get arguing with you.

plasticfan: "http://youtube.com/watch?v=jyFuV_-dnRs"

"No organics found".

Contrails CAN PERSIST indefinitely, and the woman was WRONG.

Water sample barium and aluminum amounts were ALWAYS WITHIN EPA recommended limits (ONE-TENTH OF THEM!) and fluctuate with DROUGHT conditions - less rainfall, MORE concentration.

No connection was shown between contrails and sickness. Anyone inferring that isn't being logical. There has been little change in human infection over the last fifty years. That which there is, is connected with dusts/pollens/auto fumes - asthmatic problems.

kevlar: "such arrogance to assume we understand it all enough to start manipulating it."

It's pretty arrogant to assume we're manipulating it at all. The world's weather is bigger than you think, and powered by the oceans.
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01-30-2009, 04:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-30-2009, 04:41 AM by ToddTraf.)
#22
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
The whole reflective dark vs light clouds is silly. Jazz roc is right they have the same reflective qualities. Dark ones are just thicker (denser)and what you're seeing is not reflection but translucence. They're all illuminated from above and you see what light passes through them or on them from an angle. Hurricanes from space are the same white as any cloud formation.

I'll personally always have a problem with scientists basing any info on a 20-30 year trend on a 5 billion year old planet.

I was also under the impression that the string of potential legalities citied from moving or supressing weather systems were so great we scrapped whatever projects we were experimenting with. If Florida is spared and Georgia hit? Is that fate? Could even be an international incident if another country were hit instead.
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02-18-2009, 12:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-18-2009, 12:47 PM by rsol.)
#23
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
maybe you guys are right. Maybe light only travels the way you want it to. Maybe when you put your headlights on in thick fog, the light doesnt light up that "thick" particulate matter. No it just goes straight through. Yeah light has this funny way of reflecting off translucent material. The fact that you can see through it wouldn't point to light passing through and NOT being reflected. Water is only white when its moving. see "white water"

See rain clouds and look at the colours they absorb as well as when they reflect.

please look up words like viscosity, refraction, light absorption. Maybe we can all learn why we have different coloured skies:) Oh and by the way. i know the difference between light being reflected off something and it shining through. Density has nothing to do with the colour or amount that something reflects, however it does have an effect on how much it absorbs.
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02-19-2009, 12:31 PM,
#24
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:maybe you guys are right. Maybe light only travels the way you want it to. Maybe when you put your headlights on in thick fog, the light doesnt light up that "thick" particulate matter. No it just goes straight through. Yeah light has this funny way of reflecting off translucent material. The fact that you can see through it wouldn't point to light passing through and NOT being reflected. Water is only white when its moving. see "white water". See rain clouds and look at the colours they absorb as well as when they reflect. Please look up words like viscosity, refraction, light absorption. Maybe we can all learn why we have different coloured skies:) Oh and by the way. i know the difference between light being reflected off something and it shining through. Density has nothing to do with the colour or amount that something reflects, however it does have an effect on how much it absorbs.
Water is TRANSPARENT. Work your way through this site:

http://www.atoptics.co.uk/
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02-19-2009, 01:22 PM,
#25
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
look up snow. look up steam engines. there are white clouds and black clouds. stop being thick. If you think water is transparent why cant i see all the way to bottom of the ocean? and not shine through it when its on the horizon? hmmm maybe water doesnt always behave in the same way relating to light... no? maybe when that water has something diluted in it, it may change in some way, like its colour? no that never happens.
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02-19-2009, 03:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-19-2009, 04:27 PM by JazzRoc.)
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Quote:look up snow. look up steam engines. there are white clouds and black clouds. stop being thick. If you think water is transparent why cant i see all the way to bottom of the ocean? and not shine through it when its on the horizon? hmmm maybe water doesnt always behave in the same way relating to light... no? maybe when that water has something diluted in it, it may change in some way, like its colour? no that never happens.
Water is TRANSPARENT. Don't waste your time reinventing the wheel (as square!). Work your way through this site:

http://www.atoptics.co.uk/

When you have DONE that, THEN argue with me.

WE BELIEVE that clouds are unjustly maligned
and that life would be immeasurably poorer without them.

We think that they are Nature’s poetry,
and the most egalitarian of her displays, since
everyone can have a fantastic view of them.

We pledge to fight ‘blue-sky thinking’ wherever we find it.
Life would be dull if we had to look up at
cloudless monotony day after day.

We seek to remind people that clouds are expressions of the
atmosphere’s moods, and can be read like those of
a person’s countenance.

Clouds are so commonplace that their beauty is often overlooked.
They are for dreamers and their contemplation benefits the soul.
Indeed, all who consider the shapes they see in them will save
on psychoanalysis bills.

And so we say to all who’ll listen:
Look up, marvel at the ephemeral beauty, and live life with your head in the clouds!


taken from: http://cloudappreciationsociety.org/ which is linked by the above website.

Browsing on, I found these:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/t...from_above.html
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02-20-2009, 07:48 PM,
#27
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
hmm shame we are talking about CLOUDS, which depending on what in them depends on their reflectivity/transparency etc
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02-20-2009, 08:49 PM,
#28
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
JR's got his head in the clouds:P:D
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02-22-2009, 01:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-22-2009, 01:23 AM by JazzRoc.)
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
Quote:hmm shame we are talking about CLOUDS, which depending on what in them depends on their reflectivity/transparency etc
I'm talking about clouds. ACTUAL clouds.

You're talking about what you imagine is IN them. Without anything in the way of evidence, and working from your inadequate understanding.

Nik, my head's been in the clouds since 1949, when I fell in love with the Supermarine Spitfire...
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02-22-2009, 09:00 AM,
#30
Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
What ever happened to the ozone hole?
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