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Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
05-10-2010, 01:27 AM,
#31
RE: Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
(05-09-2010, 09:23 PM)Sprite0 Wrote: The corporations are using the government's perceived "divine right" to a monopoly on violence to do many evil things: the military-industrial complex, private prisons, subsidies, other forms of corporate welfare, regulations that help Big Business while making it more difficult for smaller competitors to enter the market, and so on. But all those evils originate from government, not business. Governments can be evil without corporations, but businesses cannot get away with violating the Non-Aggression Principle without government.

This shows that you are as ignorant of history as you are of economics. Nation states are new on the scene of political matters and are generally the exception to power bases not the rule. Centralized capital interests have always been the primary movers. Go look at the MIC and it's history; armies have been private through most of mankind's history.

Big business isn't just helped by regulations. It is helped just as much by deregulation that facilitates externalities. You still don't seem to want to address this issue because it is where anarcho-capitalism falls on its ass. People behave as if they are rational, self-interested maximizers. Therefore without external forces to check externalities (ie. harms on the rest of society) the market that survive will not necessarily be the best product or service, merely the best maximizer. This leads to players who are willing to cheat to get ahead doing so and accumulating power. That's how things like the robber barons get enough power to game the regulatory regimes in the first place. Once again you are intensely looking at only half of the picture.

As far as monitoring goes, that concept of everyone watching everyone else only works in simplistic models. The problem is as knowledge gets more specialized fewer people are able to monitor properly. Furthermore, people that do have the ability are going to have a tendency to free ride, because as previously stated people behave as maximizers.
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05-10-2010, 01:58 AM,
#32
RE: Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
(05-10-2010, 01:27 AM)Melchor Wrote: Nation states are new on the scene of political matters and are generally the exception to power bases not the rule. Centralized capital interests have always been the primary movers.

Collectivist aggression certainly isn't new - whether it takes the shape of a tribal theocracy, feudalism, nation states, empires, or Mesopotamian Lizardjooz is not technically relevant. I am proposing free market capitalism for the 21st century, not a time machine field-trip to the past.


(05-10-2010, 01:27 AM)Melchor Wrote: Big business isn't just helped by regulations. It is helped just as much by deregulation that facilitates externalities.

People use the term "externalities" to cover a whole list of issues, some real and some imaginary. Plenty of books have been written about polution liabilities, roads, flyover / tunneling rights, and other issues that would need to be addressed in a free market. Is there anything you'd like to discuss in particular?


(05-10-2010, 01:27 AM)Melchor Wrote: You still don't seem to want to address this issue because it is where anarcho-capitalism falls on its ass. People behave as if they are rational, self-interested maximizers. Therefore without external forces to check externalities (ie. harms on the rest of society) the market that survive will not necessarily be the best product or service, merely the best maximizer.

You cannot harm an abstraction like "history" or "society" - you can only harm individual human beings, who can then sue your ass for damages. We'd need to go through whatever scenarios you imagine and analyze them case-by-case basis...


(05-10-2010, 01:27 AM)Melchor Wrote: As far as monitoring goes, that concept of everyone watching everyone else only works in simplistic models. The problem is as knowledge gets more specialized fewer people are able to monitor properly.

Decentralization adds many obvious benefits (ex. competition, no single point of failure, openness to innovation, Streisand effect, etc), but there's no reason why a decentralized monitoring model can't attain whatever advantages centralization brings through open information sharing. This concept was somewhat difficult to explain 40 years ago, but projects like Linux and Wikipedia make it much easier to understand today.


(05-10-2010, 01:27 AM)Melchor Wrote: Furthermore, people that do have the ability are going to have a tendency to free ride, because as previously stated people behave as maximizers.

Once again, we'd need to discuss the various scenarios on case-by-case basis. Some of the time the free-rider problem (or the trickle-down benefit, depending on your perspective) actually does more good than harm.
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05-11-2010, 02:47 PM,
#33
RE: Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
(05-09-2010, 11:36 AM)Sprite0 Wrote:
(10-13-2009, 02:19 PM)joeblow Wrote: 2. The reason for the charges to be still standing is that the sexual criminal fled the country before sentencing could be carried out.

This wouldn't be a problem under an Anarcho-Capitalist justice system.


(10-13-2009, 02:19 PM)joeblow Wrote: 3. He continued molesting children in his adopted country of Switzerland.

Ditto.


(10-13-2009, 02:19 PM)joeblow Wrote: 4. The "Illuminazied" Elites support his behavior, because they also partake of similar activities.

All government systems create an elite class of untouchables, but they're ever-more untouchable in the more collectivist countries. The things that have been happening in Moscow will make the Washington pedophiles look like champions of self-restraint!

rep - 1000 . Diverting thread onto one trick pet topic.

"this wouldn't happen under an "Anarcho"capitalist system."

conjecture. unrealistic. faith based comment.

"All government systems create an elite class of untouchables, but they're ever-more untouchable in the more collectivist countries. "

supposition. untouchable is untouchable. if you can't touch it, you can't touch it. it is therefore not "more untouchable".

supposition in order to promulgate propaganda for a certain strict belief system.

Guy here always goes on about the poor being fucked over by the freemasonic inspired soviet state but in reality cares not for those who have less - only what he has.

ask him if he is a freemason.

he is here to evangelize.

"you have to own yourself before you can own anything else".

possessive mentality. one track propaganda.

"russians who cannot speak english are probably not worth speaking to"

they laud in their own preposterous arrogance and promote elitism as a acceptable face whilst bemoaning corruption and the effects of elitism.

his system would not work anyway. common sense eludes his as he spews out theorem after theorem.
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05-11-2010, 05:28 PM,
#34
RE: Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
OK, I'll reply in a more appropriate thread.
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05-11-2010, 05:37 PM,
#35
RE: Roman Polanski Website Vote Yes or No!
sounds better
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