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StartMail
01-24-2014, 09:45 PM,
#1
StartMail
So, after all this time I'm wondering if anyone has actually gotten their "invitation code" (or whatever they're calling it) for the StartMail Beta.

I won't ask for details, since divulging them would appear to be a violation of the user agreement, but I'm just wondering if anyone here has been able to test it out, and does it work? Is it going to be worth this interminable wait?

So far StartMail = Vaporware. It pains me to say that, but there it is.


Personally, I'm glad I went with a paid account with MyKolab. To be sure, there have been glitches here and there, but I got in at the Beta tester price and now they've doubled the storage + lowered the price a tiny bit in the bargain.

Anyone?
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01-24-2014, 11:26 PM,
#2
RE: StartMail
Not yet. I received a survey in December (but missed it in my Inbox so got a reminder on the 14th of this month). Considering the quality of StartPage and the money potential of StartMail, I can't see this being vapourware by any means. Well, not potentially. It IS vapourware until someone reports having tested it.

From https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/55/7/when-is-your-startmail-private-email-service-going-to-be-released:

Quote:StartMail is currently being tested by a small group of our privacy-minded contacts from around the world! This beta version will be released to a larger group of 50,000 beta testers by the end of November 2013. If you've signed up to be a beta tester, expect to receive a survey invitation by mid-November and a subsequent StartMail beta account invitation (based on your survey responses) during the fourth quarter of 2013. These beta account invitations will be staggered.

The beta test enrollment is now closed so we can move forward with the official roll out, but you can still sign up to get first rights to a private, paid account.

StartMail accounts are scheduled to be issued on a limited, first-come, first-served basis. Simply go to https://startmail.com, enter your email address, and check the "Advance Reservation" box at the bottom of the page. By reserving an invitation, you will be given the option to purchase an account, but will be under no obligation to do so.

Thank you for your interest in StartMail!

And from https://beta.startmail.com/:

Quote:If you are a beta tester who has not yet received your account, we appreciate your continued patience, as it may take some time for all groups to receive their invitations. However, you can rest assured that the beta accounts are rolling out steadily and surely, and that yours will soon be on the way.

Once I find some time, I intend to get a mailserver set up on my VPN and move a couple domains over to it. I've got a self-signed certificate, so it'll negate the need for StartMail, but betatesting StartMail will still be interesting.

I'm somewhat disappointed it's a pay service. Zohomail, my current email host for two of my domains, has a "lite" service which allows a single domain with, if I recall correctly, up to 5 email addresses on the domain.
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01-25-2014, 01:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2014, 01:15 AM by Watchdog.)
#3
RE: StartMail
(01-24-2014, 09:45 PM)temp9 Wrote: So, after all this time I'm wondering if anyone has actually gotten their "invitation code" (or whatever they're calling it) for the StartMail Beta.

I won't ask for details, since divulging them would appear to be a violation of the user agreement, but I'm just wondering if anyone here has been able to test it out, and does it work? Is it going to be worth this interminable wait?

So far StartMail = Vaporware. It pains me to say that, but there it is.


Personally, I'm glad I went with a paid account with MyKolab. To be sure, there have been glitches here and there, but I got in at the Beta tester price and now they've doubled the storage + lowered the price a tiny bit in the bargain.

Anyone?

You might as well be speaking Chinese brother, as I have no clue what you're talking bout!

LOL

I am so low-tech, I guess I have as much chances of understanding your issues as you of getting why we feed our pigs fermented raw milk, or why I just love making and eating Kimchi! hehehe

(01-24-2014, 09:45 PM)temp9 Wrote: So, after all this time I'm wondering if anyone has actually gotten their "invitation code" (or whatever they're calling it) for the StartMail Beta.

I won't ask for details, since divulging them would appear to be a violation of the user agreement, but I'm just wondering if anyone here has been able to test it out, and does it work? Is it going to be worth this interminable wait?

So far StartMail = Vaporware. It pains me to say that, but there it is.


Personally, I'm glad I went with a paid account with MyKolab. To be sure, there have been glitches here and there, but I got in at the Beta tester price and now they've doubled the storage + lowered the price a tiny bit in the bargain.

Anyone?

You might as well be speaking Chinese brother, as I have no clue what you're talking bout!

LOL

I am so low-tech, I guess I have as much chances of understanding your issues as you of getting why we feed our pigs fermented raw milk, or why I just love making and eating Kimchi! hehehe

I'll explain my thing if you can explain yours?
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01-25-2014, 04:46 AM,
#4
RE: StartMail
What do you want to know more about?

"StartMail" is a service being developed by the makers of the StartPage secure, private search engine.

"Vapourware" is a concept which Microsoft popularised back when it was busy scooping up software companes. It would begin marketing the software they got in the purchase, hyping it up to increase their market share, but would never release the product (or if it was released it was integrated into one of their already-developed packages). But it's literally vapour: created out of thin air and worth just as much because it exists only as an idea and not as a product.
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01-25-2014, 03:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2014, 03:17 PM by CharliePrime.)
#5
RE: StartMail
Quote:If you've signed up to be a beta tester, expect to receive a survey invitation by mid-November and a subsequent StartMail beta account invitation (based on your survey responses) during the fourth quarter of 2013.

I'm first in line. I signed up for a Beta account within hours of it being announced.

I haven't heard anything from them since that survey (in mid-December I think).

On the survey I said their proposed fee schedule was too steep. Other providers already offer the service they are proposing for cheaper.

Perhaps they booted me out of the program for that honesty.
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01-25-2014, 06:46 PM,
#6
RE: StartMail
Right, I signed up by sending Katherine Albrecht an email on November 26 2012, before there was even a web page. I got a response back about 30 minutes later welcoming me, etc.

Haven't heard anything else since completing the survey either. I did, however, indicate that I'd go for the service at the price-point they mentioned (just for the heck of it), so I doubt if you were weeded out because of your objection, Charlie. They had to expect all sorts of responses to that question.

Just seems odd to be to be rolling out a beta test so damn slowly. I'm assuming that somewhere, someone is using the service. Maybe 1000 people, maybe more, maybe less. But if they intend to ever get this thing off the ground they've got to scale it up and see how their servers handle it. At this rate it'll be several more years before it's offered to the public.Undecided
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01-25-2014, 07:12 PM,
#7
RE: StartMail
My experience is that unexplained delays and non-communication are normal for new product roll-outs.

The worst I ever recall was the 1999 - 2003 debacle of Indian Motorcycle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_%28motorcycle%29#Indian_Motorcycle_Company_of_America_.281999.E2.80.932003.29

CMC completely destroyed that brand's equity forever. Hopefully StartPage will not wreck the brand they worked to build.
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03-06-2014, 03:25 PM,
#8
RE: StartMail
Got my StartMail invitation today.

Caveats:

They require that your password be stronger than usual.

I'm not sure if you must provide a back-up email address. I did. Be wary that NSA doesn't link your two email addresses in their models.

Inbox is nice and clean. I have not played with their PGP or IMAP functionality yet.

Here is a screen shot of their Settings page:

   
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03-06-2014, 03:31 PM,
#9
RE: StartMail
Congrats, Charlie! It would be interesting to find out how well their PGP functionality works with POP3/IMAP-capable email clients, or if POP3 is included in the supported protocols.
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03-06-2014, 03:39 PM,
#10
RE: StartMail
IMAP may only be for Premium users. Sad I'm not sure yet. I'm dedicating today to completing my IRS forms, so I can't play with it today.

Interesting bits in their User Agreement:

Quote:The StartMail Service is offered by StartMail B.V. (“StartMail”), a company established under Dutch law with its registered office in the city of Zeist at Boulevard 11, postal code 3707 BK, The Netherlands.

...Compliance with legitimate requests by authorities

While we respect and try to protect your privacy to the best of our abilities, your use of StartMail does not place you above the law. But neither do we place authorities above the law. If we receive a request by Dutch judicial authorities to hand over information about one of our Users, we will have our lawyers check the validity of the request and determine whether we are obliged to comply. We will NOT comply with such requests unless we are convinced that the request is legally valid and we believe it is undeniably our legal obligation to comply.

We will not comply with requests from any authorities other than Dutch authorities. If we receive a request from any foreign government, we will refuse to comply and will instead refer the requestor to place a formal request to the Dutch authorities for mutual assistance.

StartMail will never cooperate with any voluntary surveillance programs. Under the strong current laws that protect the right to privacy in Europe, European governments cannot legally force service providers like StartMail to implement a blanket spying program on their users. Should that ever change, we will use all methods at our disposal to resist.

...Requests by private third parties

We will not comply with any requests from private third parties to provide information about our Users, unless we would receive a valid Dutch court order to such effect.

...Data extraction

Premium Users are enabled to download and store their full inbox, or parts thereof, locally via IMAP.

...Force Majeure

StartMail will not be obliged to comply with any obligation towards the User if it is prevented from doing so as a result of a circumstance over which it has no control.

In the event of such a situation involving Force Majeure – which in any event includes disruptions in the telecommunications infrastructure, Internet, domestic disturbances, mobilization, war, traffic congestion, strikes, lockouts, import and export restrictions, business interruptions, supply delays, fire, flood and breaches by suppliers on whom StartMail is dependent in the performance of an Agreement – the performance of the Agreement may be suspended without that leading to any obligation to pay compensation.

If a situation involving Force Majeure prevents compliance for longer than two months, either Party will be entitled to terminate the Agreement immediately without that giving rise to any obligation to pay compensation.

...Termination by the User

When an Agreement is terminated by a User, all data contained in the Account, including all e-mails, is immediately deleted permanently. Only the backup will remain for the maximum retention period of three days, as described in the Backup section above. The User has no right to obtain or gain access to data stored in this temporary backup after termination.
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03-06-2014, 05:09 PM,
#11
RE: StartMail
That helps to clarify a lot of potential issues, and helps StartMail cover their butts in the process.
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