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How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
11-14-2013, 05:50 AM,
#1
Lightbulb  How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
Now seriously, huge amount of torrents deal with high speculations and fairy tales fueled by imagination which would put to shame even Grimm brothers.

How you deal with it, which information holds the most valuable knowledge for you so far and what is your best catch here... What is like "wow" that you've found here?

All best!

Quakva
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11-14-2013, 08:30 AM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
To me, all information is subjective in nature. Truly objective data exists in a form we are unable to perceive. Thus, such data must be converted to a format we can perceive, which then makes it subjective. So there will certainly (and hopefully) be varying differences in opinion regarding your inquiry.

Idealistic productions supporting the cause of helping advance understanding of reality (particularly in terms of sociology and psychology), including but certainly not limited to Mark Passio's works, and those of a more pragmatic nature offering tools to support one on the path to understanding How Thyngs Work, which recently included Liberal Arts, have been welcomed to a more permanent residence on my hard drives. History also interests me, although my brain has a hell of a time with politics.
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11-14-2013, 02:18 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
The way I deal with it is to spend thirty years sorting through that mess. Blush

Sad but true. I spent a lot of time reading and listening to lectures while I drive or wash dishes. Gradually I excised the low value information sources and focused on quality sources.

Also beneficial is that with most researchers, after consuming their content for several months and integrating their ideas, can move on.

Example: Stephen Molyneux. I don't listen to his podcast anymore because I got the thing about not hitting kids and voluntaryism. I do still monitor his FaceBook posts.

Example: Brett Venoit of School Sucks. After a month you've seen everything he has.

Example: Alex Jones. Takes about three months of his podcast to learn everything he has. Gets old fast. Low cost in time to benefit ratio. Drop. Still like the Nightly News.

Example: James Corbett. Will continue to listen always because his stuff is topical, good quality, and in-depth.

Example: Richard Grove. Continue to listen because the history he uncovers is so detailed and will take years to absorb.

Example: Kevin Barrett. Just found this guy. Really like. Currently going through his old stuff.

Example: Red Ice. Great source. Always listen. It's where I discover new stuff.

Example: Dennis Fetcho. Nothing new ever. Dropped after three episodes.

Example: Mark Passio. Took three months to go through his old stuff. He occasionally has something new, otherwise, don't regularly listen.

Example: Joseph Farrell. Took a year to read all his books. Still monitor his RSS feed.

Example: Jim Marrs, Freeman Fly, Hoagland. Spent a week each going through their stuff. Nothing ever new. Don't follow.

Example: Jan Irvin. Still listen because he uncovers new stuff gradually all the time.

Example: Neil Kramer. Bought his book. Still listen.

Unfortunately, nobody can do it for you. You have to do it yourself.
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11-14-2013, 03:33 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
I find it's easier to spot the lies than figure out the truth.

Lies have sort of a smell... Watch out for the BIG LIE, that one is hard to detect!

Proceed by elimination; remove the lies and what is left might be a good place to research.

Also, I find that the world we live in is so greatly perverse that the INVERSE is often more relevant than what is being told. Most information has been flipped around in the media, and alternative media is also a trap.

Like he said above... it takes time.
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11-14-2013, 04:33 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
This type of information should only achieve one thing - detaching yourself from this fake reality around us and that is all.

Free your mind/heart of all the indoctrination, begin to cultivate that 'I don't give a fuck' attitude and LIVE life.

Personally, I no longer take the conclusions people make on board anymore, I only look for examples to refute others' arguments. You retain your own power and control of yourself once you can ascertain some doubtful premise in the arguments or statements of others. Putting doubt in the head of another and viewing their reactions exposes their level of attachment to their beliefs alongside discovering their maturity - which are indispensible social skills for navigating modern environments. Discernment must be learnt.

In terms of information, you can boil it down to a few small essences that permeate the rest of someone's information. The first is the idealistic viewpoint of humans being innately 'good' and society/government/social conventions etc turn them 'bad' leading to all types of 'injustices'. Another type is the opposite, that humans are innately 'bad' and those same customs are required to turn them 'good'. The other type, which people often get stuck in, take a more nihilistic view and then pretty give up on life in general.

The nihilistic root gives rise to cynicism, pessimism, depression and unhelpful negativity (yes there is a positive type of negativity) which are birthed from the destruction of initial ideals. Ideals, just like morals, are emotional in nature, usually the uncultivated, primitive and naive emotions of youth. The nihilist is still mourning and grieving the loss of the false-self and hasn't adjusted to this new found state.

In my view, the nihilistic stage is indispensible in 'waking up'. We are shattering our world views but most often we require a replacement so we essentially replace one set of programming for another. Do that often enough and a new way of life is not cultivated leading to the point of saying 'what is the point?'

I'll tell you the fucking point.

Missed amongst all that sea of information is YOU. You neglect yourself searching for the perfect set of morals before living life, missing out on valuable experiences and learning who the hell you are once the socially created you begins to die.

Death and rebirth.

Nihilism kills but life is not the YOLO philosophy of modern morons. That idealistic blue-pill-you must die and you must now recreate yourself. Once you learn that you are a unit of development capable of improvement, life changes for the better. You can now learn real empowering things that benefit your emotional, mental, physical and social health.

Eclectic learning is key. Practicing said learning is even more important.
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11-14-2013, 07:16 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
(11-14-2013, 04:33 PM)R.R Wrote: Death and rebirth.

Yes, yes and YES!!!

I killed myself, figuratively speaking a year ago.

I got rid of the "corporation of myself", sort to speak, amongst other things, which included many things that make "normal" people civilised, who they think they are, what they have become due to social engineering. All the things you take in because you've been told; this includes religion, school, your parents, media, etc.

And once your are reborn you get to choose the conditions of your new existence to a certain degree, you get to reevaluate your beLIEf system and things you think you knew to be true. Most everything is up for grabs as you grow again, but this time with more freedom to choose the overall direction.

I guess you can "will your own will", but this, I find, eventually leads to willing the will of something deeper than your own ego, that others who are in tune with the universal consciousness or creation (not sure how to call it, but some would say God, but that's a snake pit so I won't go there...) will also be willing.

Overcoming fear and courage is necessary, and you may feel like you are walking alone on the path, but you're not since others have also felt the wave and have decided to surf up.

And since all is up for grabs, it's a great opportunity to "make the right decisions" all the time, as it would be nonsensical to "kill yourself" and grow back to what you used to be before; not really you!

I wish I could explain this better...
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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11-17-2013, 09:31 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation?

Quote: ... all information is subjective in nature. Truly objective data exists in a form we are unable to perceive ...

... the world we live in is so greatly perverse that the INVERSE is often more relevant ...

...Free your mind/heart of all the indoctrination ...

There are some genius enlightened fish swimming here, and it pays to fish for those who express intellect & philosophy above emotionalism. May they forever have the power to fly above the polluted sea of disinformation, in which most are drowning and don't even know it.
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11-17-2013, 10:35 PM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
Quote:Unfortunately, nobody can do it for you. You have to do it yourself.

I use the adage of equal parts experience, reflection and thoughtfulness. Revisit a topic. Approach with different mindsets (open, scientific, creative etc..) and from different angles. Information is coming so fast it is difficult to process / reflect on it substantively so I pick my spots on what I want to investigate. There is often a gut instinct involved and I often segue one bit of knowledge into another investigation rather than going in totally cold as it leaves me without a sharpened cleaver to get through it all. But really we don't all think the same way so it's what works for you and what can help us, as individuals, really expand your understanding in an applicable fashion so we can better assert ourselves as a whole.

Oh I could go on and on. There is no right or wrong way to go about this really. We just can't all do it the same way. I think our strength lies in the diversity of ways we look at things, if we can discuss situations, issues, concepts and revelations as opposed to debating them in a standoffish manner we can make significant gains. Variety... spicy and sweet and everything in-between. Dig in and pass the plate.

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11-18-2013, 09:02 PM,
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Thank you for answers, some really splendid thoughts here!

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11-25-2013, 04:19 AM,
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RE: How to catch healthy fish in the ocean of disinformation
(11-18-2013, 09:02 PM)Quakva Wrote: Thank you for answers, some really splendid thoughts here!

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