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Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
09-13-2013, 12:06 AM,
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Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
Killing of chickens in Jewish ritual draws protests in L.A.
Animal rights activists and some liberal Jews have protested the practice of kaparot, in which chickens are slain.


By Martha Groves and Matt Stevens

September 11, 2013, 6:47 p.m.

In a parking lot behind a Pico Boulevard building, inside a makeshift tent made of metal poles and tarps, a man in a white coat and black skullcap grabs a white-feathered hen under the wings and performs an ancient ritual.

He circles the chicken in the air several times and recites a prayer for a woman standing nearby whose aim is to symbolically transfer her sins to the bird. The young man then uses a sharp blade to cut the hen's throat.

In the days before Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, this ritual will be repeated untold times in hastily built plywood rooms and other structures in traditional Orthodox Jewish communities from Pico-Robertson to Brooklyn. Promotional fliers on lampposts in this neighborhood advertise the kaparot service at $18 per chicken or $13 apiece for five or more.

But the practice is increasingly drawing the ire of animal rights activists, and some liberal Jews, who say the custom is inhumane, paganistic and out of step with modern times.

"An animal sacrifice in this day and age?" said Wendie Dox, a Reform Jew and animal rights activist who lives nearby. "That is not OK with me."

This year, activists have launched one of the largest, most organized efforts ever in the Southland to protest the practice, known variously as kaparot, kapparot or kaparos.

Over the weekend, a coalition of faith leaders and animal rights proponents held a "compassionate kaparot ceremony" during which rabbis used money rather than chickens for the ritual, an accepted alternative. Organizers say that more than 100 people attended and that some stayed to demonstrate late into the night.

Since the ceremony, activists including several staunch vegans and alarmed residents have taken to Pico Boulevard each evening, handing out fliers, setting up candlelight vigils and even bargaining with one kaparot manager to rescue chickens on the chopping block in exchange for protesting more peacefully.

The demonstrations have sometimes gotten testy. Protesters and kaparot managers alike contend they've been peppered with anti-Semitic slurs.

In one instance Monday night, police were called after a woman refused to exit a parking lot where she heard the screeching of fowl. By the time police arrived, she had walked down the block. No one was injured, and no arrests were made.

But activists said they were expecting business at kaparot sites to soar as Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year for Jewish people, draws near. The holiday begins Friday evening.

"We're sick and tired of people making money off of these animals," said Rabbi Jonathan Klein, co-founder of Faith Action for Animals, which organized the weekend protest. "These people are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They are not doing it because they want to remove people's sin. They're doing it because there's money in it."

Practitioners typically donate the slaughtered chickens to feed the needy, but that doesn't satisfy critics who decry the conditions under which the birds are caged and stored.

Resident Ken McPeek, 65, has posted his own fliers protesting the practice. Five years ago, he was walking down an alley near his house when he saw people clustered around a parking lot and heard the squawks of birds. When he peeked in, he saw a man slitting the throats of chickens and throwing the corpses into a barrel "like they were footballs."

"I've been to Vietnam, I worked in packinghouses, but this was particularly shocking," he said. "I told them, and I remember what I said, 'You've got to stop this. This is wrong,' They laughed at me."

Kaparot is mentioned in Jewish law texts at least as far back as the 16th century and was originally meant to jolt practitioners into recognizing their mortality, according to Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, an adjunct professor of Jewish law and ethics at Loyola Law School.

Many Jews living in Pico-Robertson immigrated from countries where families invite kaparot practitioners to their homes to perform the ritual. Here it's more out in the open.

Bait Aaron, a Sephardic Orthodox outreach organization, this week has been performing the ritual in a tent in the parking lot of the corner building it rents at 8701 Pico Blvd. In the alley behind were stacked wire cages filled with clucking hens, their white feathers matted together with the sticky residue of yolks from the eggs they had laid and smashed.

After each ritual slaughter, the man in the black skullcap drained the chicken's blood into a white plastic bin and then put the bird on ice. Two butchers schooled in kosher practices stood by to pluck and dress the bird.

Rabbi Yakov Nourollah, a spokesman for Bait Aaron, said the kaparot workers "were doing everything within code … and in a humane way."

"We're not going to change our tradition," Nourollah said. "We're in a free country. This is America, you know."

Still, Terrance Powell of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said he was surprised to hear that the birds were being dressed on the spot rather than in an approved slaughterhouse. "We're very mindful not to interfere with religious freedom," he said. "But that's something that would have to be discussed."

Asian, Latino and other communities have also grappled with outcries over cultural practices involving the slaughter and handling of animals.

Most rabbis would not consider the slaughter of chickens in compliance with kosher law as animal mistreatment, Adlerstein said. But he said reports had surfaced that chickens were not stored and fed properly before slaughter and that chicken corpses were sometimes tossed into the trash.

"If you think about what the ritual is in its element, you're taking chickens that are destined to die anyway … and people are paying good money for the right to have those chickens slaughtered and then fed to the poor," he said. "That's the way it's supposed to be. People would be grossed out a little bit if they found out they were just spending money to draw the blade against the chicken's neck, and that's it."

martha.groves@latimes.com

matt.stevens@latimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-jewish-chicken-ritual-20130912,0,7269968.story
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09-13-2013, 01:23 AM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
Quote:Practitioners typically donate the slaughtered chickens to feed the needy, but that doesn't satisfy critics who decry the conditions under which the birds are caged and stored.
Obviously these "critics" have not visited a commercial chicken "farm".
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09-13-2013, 04:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-13-2013, 04:41 PM by mexika.)
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(09-13-2013, 01:23 AM)JFK Wrote:
Quote:Practitioners typically donate the slaughtered chickens to feed the needy, but that doesn't satisfy critics who decry the conditions under which the birds are caged and stored.
Obviously these "critics" have not visited a commercial chicken "farm".

The Jews would keep those chickens with the same conditions before killing them. I think they practically liked slicing those chickens and it was not to wash their sins off since some of these Zionist Jews are too freaking sinful; Israel. No chicken killing will wash their sins in forgiveness, that is plain ludicrous and religiously hogwash. Who is not to say that they did not commit human sacrifice? Oh, wait; wasn't there something called J.C, sacrificed to wash the sins of the Jews or was it to save their hoarding money enterprises. I wonder if they were conducting money exchanges while they put their J.C to the pain cross?
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09-13-2013, 06:41 PM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
I've slaughtered my share of chickens. Not because I sinned but because I was hungry. This almost seems like non-news and just another silly superstious religion based activity. I would be irritated only if the animals went to waste.

On the other hand, who wants to eat a chicken full of "Sin"? I bet the jews wouldn't eat a sinner chicken, but are OK giving it to gods "Not chosen" gentiles. Its almost insulting.

What really does drive me crazy is religious based circumcision and the crazy jews that think sucking the penis is an appropriate medical procedure. Even crazier when the infants die from STDs transmited from the Rabbis saliva.
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09-13-2013, 09:18 PM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
(09-13-2013, 06:41 PM)ToddTraf Wrote: I've slaughtered my share of chickens. Not because I sinned but because I was hungry. This almost seems like non-news and just another silly superstious religion based activity. I would be irritated only if the animals went to waste.

On the other hand, who wants to eat a chicken full of "Sin"? I bet the jews wouldn't eat a sinner chicken, but are OK giving it to gods "Not chosen" gentiles. Its almost insulting.

What really does drive me crazy is religious based circumcision and the crazy jews that think sucking the penis is an appropriate medical procedure. Even crazier when the infants die from STDs transmited from the Rabbis saliva.

That is sick... would you do that to your sons or daughters? Okay, what do they do to their daughters? Its crazy..
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09-13-2013, 10:13 PM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
(09-13-2013, 04:38 PM)mexika Wrote:
(09-13-2013, 01:23 AM)JFK Wrote:
Quote:Practitioners typically donate the slaughtered chickens to feed the needy, but that doesn't satisfy critics who decry the conditions under which the birds are caged and stored.
Obviously these "critics" have not visited a commercial chicken "farm".

The Jews would keep those chickens with the same conditions before killing them. I think they practically liked slicing those chickens and it was not to wash their sins off since some of these Zionist Jews are too freaking sinful; Israel. No chicken killing will wash their sins in forgiveness, that is plain ludicrous and religiously hogwash. Who is not to say that they did not commit human sacrifice? Oh, wait; wasn't there something called J.C, sacrificed to wash the sins of the Jews or was it to save their hoarding money enterprises. I wonder if they were conducting money exchanges while they put their J.C to the pain cross?

You do realize that J.C. was also a Jew, do you not ?
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09-14-2013, 12:41 AM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
(09-13-2013, 10:13 PM)JFK Wrote:
(09-13-2013, 04:38 PM)mexika Wrote:
(09-13-2013, 01:23 AM)JFK Wrote:
Quote:Practitioners typically donate the slaughtered chickens to feed the needy, but that doesn't satisfy critics who decry the conditions under which the birds are caged and stored.
Obviously these "critics" have not visited a commercial chicken "farm".

The Jews would keep those chickens with the same conditions before killing them. I think they practically liked slicing those chickens and it was not to wash their sins off since some of these Zionist Jews are too freaking sinful; Israel. No chicken killing will wash their sins in forgiveness, that is plain ludicrous and religiously hogwash. Who is not to say that they did not commit human sacrifice? Oh, wait; wasn't there something called J.C, sacrificed to wash the sins of the Jews or was it to save their hoarding money enterprises. I wonder if they were conducting money exchanges while they put their J.C to the pain cross?

You do realize that J.C. was also a Jew, do you not ?

yup... but he did call, if he ever existed, the Jews a bunch of vipers, hypocrites and cursed them for the rest of their lives. Obviously, the Jews were of no good stock.
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09-14-2013, 04:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-14-2013, 04:43 AM by Deathaniel.)
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First off circumcision is not unique to the jews. And it's what loving responsible parents do to there children so they are not only better lovers but have a cleaner cock!!! i recommend it even for adults if you care about your junk!.

Never heard of the cock sucking ritual... does seem out there. Can't say either way and not like I'm defending the Jews I'm well known these parts on my opinion on them. Dodgy

The chicken thing though is the nature of the post so.... Would have to say WTF bout why the bird is killed if it's being eaten! Sure they buy them from common farms not from factory farms so already as the one writer said the chicken has already had a nice life as the KFC birds come from the worst extreme and they're not for public sale!

The real laugh is a people who are so stupid to believe in the forgiveness of sins... were there an (i do not for an instant believe there is) after life judged by some omniscient being to be judged upon death, the idea you killed some stupid flightless over populated food stuff an transported one's crimes into it would work is ludicrous.

The PETA folks like there so called humanity angle, but this one should be outlawed not on the animals humanity but on the sheer stupidity of the concept! I also doubt these makeshift religious huts comply with health standards and so the now dead chicken maybe hazardous to eat! they should not be allowed to sell or have "goyum " eat them, but perhaps pay an additional head tax per chicken for municipal disposal.. make it a cash grab!
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09-14-2013, 10:27 AM,
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(09-14-2013, 04:40 AM)Deathaniel Wrote: I also doubt these makeshift religious huts comply with health standards and so the now dead chicken maybe hazardous to eat!

You don't hunt, do you ?

How many health standards would be broken if the butcher used a lead knife ? - Just sayin.
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09-14-2013, 11:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-14-2013, 11:41 AM by fujiinn.)
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
(09-14-2013, 04:40 AM)Deathaniel Wrote: First off circumcision is not unique to the jews. And it's what loving responsible parents do to there children so they are not only better lovers but have a cleaner cock!!! i recommend it even for adults if you care about your junk!

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only in reverse, parents carving into their children to perpetuate their own preconceptions, isn't it? Why can't parents leave the decision to their children to make when they are capable of understanding the consequences of their actions and how is not allowing that decision loving and responsible instead of deranged?
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09-14-2013, 12:51 PM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
What manner of God enjoys spilled blood and the aroma of burning flesh ?

A nasty one.

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09-14-2013, 06:58 PM,
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RE: Jewish Chicken Sacrifices in America
(09-14-2013, 11:39 AM)fujiinn Wrote:
(09-14-2013, 04:40 AM)Deathaniel Wrote: First off circumcision is not unique to the jews. And it's what loving responsible parents do to there children so they are not only better lovers but have a cleaner cock!!! i recommend it even for adults if you care about your junk!

only in reverse, parents carving into their children to perpetuate their own preconceptions, isn't it? Why can't parents leave the decision to their children to make when they are capable of understanding the consequences of their actions and how is not allowing that decision loving and responsible instead of deranged?

I've had friends who had to have it done later in life fuck that noise!!! baby wee-nisses don't wake up with morning wood nor to they remember the pain. Each of those friends who had to do it as adults did there kids as babies knowing what kind of pain MIGHT be in store for them later in life!

Some "modifications" are best done in the first few weeks with most life forms, I breed dogs and we cut the dew claws off in the first day, they heal by the first week and are none the wiser. As one who is cut and father of 4 boys! (same mom i might add) i do mock those who are un- cut as those who were either raised by women or who's parents didn't love you.

Cut males are far cleaner, make better lovers and are free from worry of ever having "cheese dick!" sure the custom came from b4 the jews, but like the avoidance of pork there is higher sciences from the world b4 which led to there decisions to adopt the practice. Course could be they just found it to be a testament to pain doing it as mature humans over infant circumcision.

Those who advocate waiting till the child can make there own decision are far more cruel then any parent as it take many weeks to heal often does so with extra scaring and potential loss of sensation, I'm not meaning diminished but absence! For those who think they can wait till the child is grown for fairness of decisions i ask do you give your child a temporary name till there old enough to decide? Do you let a child decide if they want to go to school or poop in a toilet over the floor? As parents you have to make executive decisions, those who advocate waiting to let a child make the decision are probably indecisive in life and are incapable of making executive decisions and so the child will also suffer this character flaw as children learn from there parents how to respond.

It is the wide spread growth of indecisive citizens who have led to the state we're in now where we can be walked on by governments and other authority as without a backbone, we whine but carry on as requested! And i guess we do need a population of followers to make there system work, i just won't be breeding or rising any of themEatdrink007
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09-15-2013, 08:18 AM,
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(09-14-2013, 06:58 PM)Deathaniel Wrote: Cut males are far cleaner, make better lovers and are free from worry of ever having "cheese dick!" sure the custom came from b4 the jews, but like the avoidance of pork there is higher sciences from the world b4 which led to there decisions to adopt the practice. Course could be they just found it to be a testament to pain doing it as mature humans over infant circumcision.

Prove it!

(09-14-2013, 06:58 PM)Deathaniel Wrote: Those who advocate waiting till the child can make there own decision are far more cruel then any parent as it take many weeks to heal often does so with extra scaring and potential loss of sensation, I'm not meaning diminished but absence! For those who think they can wait till the child is grown for fairness of decisions i ask do you give your child a temporary name till there old enough to decide? Do you let a child decide if they want to go to school or poop in a toilet over the floor? As parents you have to make executive decisions, those who advocate waiting to let a child make the decision are probably indecisive in life and are incapable of making executive decisions and so the child will also suffer this character flaw as children learn from there parents how to respond.

I won't go in the fallacies you're committing here.

So allowing the child to make their own minds = painful circumcision because that's the only decision to make, the possibility to pass on the opportunity is inexistent.

You can later change your name but as far as I know you can't grow back portions of your body.

The school part, actually I won't send any child to school if it's government managed. I prefer unschooling or even home schooling to that. The shit part is not in the same category since it affects other people as well and/or can be a hazard to health not only for the child.

I'm surprised you didn't ask about religious indoctrination as well.

We're not talking about indecisiveness or inability to make decisions, we're talking about treating children as human beings not as property of their parents. You know, the golden rule?

(09-14-2013, 06:58 PM)Deathaniel Wrote: It is the wide spread growth of indecisive citizens who have led to the state we're in now where we can be walked on by governments and other authority as without a backbone, we whine but carry on as requested! And i guess we do need a population of followers to make there system work, i just won't be breeding or rising any of themEatdrink007

As far as I know (yeah, I say that a lot) the modern schooling system was developed in Prussia as a means to produce conformism and docility in the population so that the military ambitions of the State wouldn't be interfered with. So if you need to point the finger somewhere you could as well start with that. You also don't understand the nature of government: a criminal group protected by the illusion of legitimacy held in the minds of their victims (Stockholm syndrome). "Citizens" abused by government is the only natural consequence of submission to authority.
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09-16-2013, 09:29 PM,
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(09-14-2013, 12:51 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: What manner of God enjoys spilled blood and the aroma of burning flesh ?

A nasty one.

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