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The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
07-16-2013, 06:48 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-16-2013, 06:52 AM by mexika.)
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The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case





Published on Jul 15, 2013

Let's take a step back from this Jerry Springer circus side show and put the Trayvon Martin Case into perspective.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=01nSGb6waE8#at=220

Zimmerman ordered not to follow or harass T martin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH9lY0z1vVI
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07-16-2013, 12:05 PM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
911 operators do not "order" people to do things. For reasons of legal liability they are prohibited from telling callers what to do.

I've called 911 a lot due to riding in motorcycle groups. They won't even tell you how to perform medical procedures.

Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force to defend himself against being murdered.
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07-17-2013, 12:14 AM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-16-2013, 12:05 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: 911 operators do not "order" people to do things. For reasons of legal liability they are prohibited from telling callers what to do.

I've called 911 a lot due to riding in motorcycle groups. They won't even tell you how to perform medical procedures.

Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force to defend himself against being murdered.

it was not 911...
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07-17-2013, 12:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2013, 12:51 AM by capnchronic.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.
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07-17-2013, 01:48 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2013, 01:59 AM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 12:51 AM)capnchronic Wrote: Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.

I do not agree. I think it was a case of racism. For those that not have been a victim of racism and think that America is not plagued with it like a disease, you are obviously living in a different America.

Have you ever been spit on your face and called a derogatory label? Have you been a victim of rogue whites out to commit conspiracy and make your life a living hell? Have you been detained because you matched a profile? Have you ever been prevented from getting a job because color did not fit that profile sought for a particular position?

Racism plays many areas, not just wearing a hoody and eating candy while minding your own business only to find out that there is someone out for blood, good times, or murder and never to come home again while justice system is not really there for justice, but as weapon against the undesirables.

Stuff like this are still happening everyday on the streets of Chicago, Florida, New York, Los Angles, and every other state within America. Stolen Lands breeds hatred of those that have been subjugated, except pirates do not want to admit it because it causes criminal fault.

Many people from the south aka Mexico, central, and south see the United States not as the happiest place on earth, but as The Devils PlayGround!

THIS IS JUST ONE CASE OF MANY CASES....
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07-17-2013, 02:02 AM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 01:48 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 12:51 AM)capnchronic Wrote: Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.

I do not agree. I think it was a case of racism. For those that not have been a victim of racism and think that America is not plaqued with it like a disease, you are obviously living not in America, but your American way.

Stuff like this are still happening everyday on the streets of Chicago, Florida, New York, Los Angles, and every other state within America. Stolen Lands breeds hatred of those that have been subjugated, except pirates do not want to admit it because it causes criminal fault.

THIS IS JUST ONE CASE OF MANY CASES....

I don't want to get overly into this, because that's just what "they" want, but if you look into Zimmerman's background, there's no evidence of him being at all racist, he mentored black children, and even fought for a black homeless man who was abused by the police.

And just to clarify, I agree with you that racism exists, just not in this particular case. The thing is though, the real cases of racism are never mentioned by Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or any of the other people in power who pretended to care so much about this whole ordeal.
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07-17-2013, 02:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2013, 02:17 AM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 02:02 AM)capnchronic Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 01:48 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 12:51 AM)capnchronic Wrote: Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.

I do not agree. I think it was a case of racism. For those that not have been a victim of racism and think that America is not plaqued with it like a disease, you are obviously living not in America, but your American way.

Stuff like this are still happening everyday on the streets of Chicago, Florida, New York, Los Angles, and every other state within America. Stolen Lands breeds hatred of those that have been subjugated, except pirates do not want to admit it because it causes criminal fault.

THIS IS JUST ONE CASE OF MANY CASES....

I don't want to get overly into this, because that's just what "they" want, but if you look into Zimmerman's background, there's no evidence of him being at all racist, he mentored black children, and even fought for a black homeless man who was abused by the police.

And just to clarify, I agree with you that racism exists, just not in this particular case. The thing is though, the real cases of racism are never mentioned by Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or any of the other people in power who pretended to care so much about this whole ordeal.

There will always be racism in America for as long as people turn a blind eye cheek. America is a racist nation from its inception. And that disease, because that's what it is ' A disease' of the devil ' America will not be that prized place in the history of humanity. As it is now, people want a different world and America is not that place people want to hold on so dear since lessons have not been learned. If was it was racism or not, the way zimmerman proceeded was WRONG! And yes there are other things that are happening all over the globe which can be important, but so is that disease that plagues America, and in simple words, it turns your stomach to know how the hypocrisy is being played.

In order for change, people need to face their fukn shadows....
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

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07-17-2013, 05:28 AM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 02:13 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 02:02 AM)capnchronic Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 01:48 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 12:51 AM)capnchronic Wrote: Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.

I do not agree. I think it was a case of racism. For those that not have been a victim of racism and think that America is not plaqued with it like a disease, you are obviously living not in America, but your American way.

Stuff like this are still happening everyday on the streets of Chicago, Florida, New York, Los Angles, and every other state within America. Stolen Lands breeds hatred of those that have been subjugated, except pirates do not want to admit it because it causes criminal fault.

THIS IS JUST ONE CASE OF MANY CASES....

I don't want to get overly into this, because that's just what "they" want, but if you look into Zimmerman's background, there's no evidence of him being at all racist, he mentored black children, and even fought for a black homeless man who was abused by the police.

And just to clarify, I agree with you that racism exists, just not in this particular case. The thing is though, the real cases of racism are never mentioned by Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or any of the other people in power who pretended to care so much about this whole ordeal.

There will always be racism in America for as long as people turn a blind eye cheek. America is a racist nation from its inception. And that disease, because that's what it is ' A disease' of the devil ' America will not be that prized place in the history of humanity. As it is now, people want a different world and America is not that place people want to hold on so dear since lessons have not been learned. If was it was racism or not, the way zimmerman proceeded was WRONG! And yes there are other things that are happening all over the globe which can be important, but so is that disease that plagues America, and in simple words, it turns your stomach to know how the hypocrisy is being played.

In order for change, people need to face their fukn shadows....

Racism is your wheel house... you will make anything that could be racist racist because your perspective is grounded in it.

Although I agree with a lot of the things you say, your bias is not conducive to getting over racism as it seems that you need atonement in order to satiate the situation.

That is not a productive, plausible or fair way to go about this.
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07-17-2013, 08:59 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2013, 09:07 AM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 05:28 AM)psilocybin Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 02:13 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 02:02 AM)capnchronic Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 01:48 AM)mexika Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 12:51 AM)capnchronic Wrote: Great video, it really puts things into perspective, with that said though, on this particular case, I personally agree with CharliePrime that Zimmerman was justified. There are a lot of cases of racism, usually at the hands of Government, but this just isn't one of them, which makes it all the more divisive, and even more powerful distraction than an actual case.

I do not agree. I think it was a case of racism. For those that not have been a victim of racism and think that America is not plaqued with it like a disease, you are obviously living not in America, but your American way.

Stuff like this are still happening everyday on the streets of Chicago, Florida, New York, Los Angles, and every other state within America. Stolen Lands breeds hatred of those that have been subjugated, except pirates do not want to admit it because it causes criminal fault.

THIS IS JUST ONE CASE OF MANY CASES....

I don't want to get overly into this, because that's just what "they" want, but if you look into Zimmerman's background, there's no evidence of him being at all racist, he mentored black children, and even fought for a black homeless man who was abused by the police.

And just to clarify, I agree with you that racism exists, just not in this particular case. The thing is though, the real cases of racism are never mentioned by Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or any of the other people in power who pretended to care so much about this whole ordeal.

There will always be racism in America for as long as people turn a blind eye cheek. America is a racist nation from its inception. And that disease, because that's what it is ' A disease' of the devil ' America will not be that prized place in the history of humanity. As it is now, people want a different world and America is not that place people want to hold on so dear since lessons have not been learned. If was it was racism or not, the way zimmerman proceeded was WRONG! And yes there are other things that are happening all over the globe which can be important, but so is that disease that plagues America, and in simple words, it turns your stomach to know how the hypocrisy is being played.

In order for change, people need to face their fukn shadows....

Racism is your wheel house... you will make anything that could be racist racist because your perspective is grounded in it.

Although I agree with a lot of the things you say, your bias is not conducive to getting over racism as it seems that you need atonement in order to satiate the situation.

That is not a productive, plausible or fair way to go about this.

That is bull... Its not mine, its not of the black folk that live in America, or the the brown. That is not my perspective, that is a Euro Perspective because the Euro concentrates on it, race to to top, white, black, brown, yellow, are not those euro tones, instead of heritage and culture. And where did such a thing of race come from. You sir are completely wrong. That is not part of Native people, it is part of the western assault on the difference of skin color.

The reason the Zimmerman and t martin is making such a noise is because Racism is On Trial from all those injustices that are happening, have happened and will happen. The perspective on race and racism is a euro construct or euro elite construct, the black and brown just happened to be caught in the middle of a constructed euro race war. In one month or a year, we will see another case of the same and it wont be because of my perspective or the black perspective, it is the white supremacist perspective on how other people whose skin color is not of the dominant cruel creed. The black do not concentrate on race as if they infatuated with it.

Black or brown do not live their lives thinking of their superior behavior, no, they live as normal people trying to make it every single day. But I think there are 'some' white elements who do think about race, superior complex behavior as some of those Zionist Jews think of the Palestinians in Gaza. All the while the Palestinians just want to carry on with their normal days, but super Zionist Jew is not happy or peaceful...
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

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07-17-2013, 11:38 AM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
I'm curious Mexika. Where were you raised? What metro area do you live near now?

I was raised in Texas & Louisiana. I now live mostly around Austin, Texas and part of the year Los Angeles, California.
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07-17-2013, 10:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2013, 10:39 PM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 11:38 AM)CharliePrime Wrote: I'm curious Mexika. Where were you raised? What metro area do you live near now?

I was raised in Texas & Louisiana. I now live mostly around Austin, Texas and part of the year Los Angeles, California.

Let me ask you, does it matter?

I suppose it’s like Aura Bogado wrote in The Nation: The question is not whether the Zimmermans of the world (or the rest of us) are white, brown or black; the question is whether we uphold white supremacy or fight to dismantle it. Oddly enough, in this sense, this case is black and white. In a country where a black person is killed by a cop or vigilante every 28 hours, where more black men are in prisons today than were enslaved just before the Civil War, where drones come home to rest after bombing people of color all across the world in the service of U.S. imperialism, you are either for white supremacy or against it.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/175260/white-supremacy-acquits-george-zimmerman#
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Trial Begins for Old White Man Who Senselessly Shot and Killed Black Middle-Schooler
July 17, 2013 |

Opening statements for the trial of a seventy-six-year-old white man accused of murdering his thirteen-year-old Black neighbor began Tuesday [3], unveiling the heartbreaking details of the May 2010 shooting that occurred in broad day light in Milkwaukee. In a video the prosecution showed to jurors, sixth-grader Darius Simmons drags his trash can inside before stepping outside, at which point his nextdoor neighbor John Spooner approaches him with a handgun. Simmons backs up fearfully, and Spooner briefly points the pistol at the young boy's mother, Patricia Larry, who was sitting on the steps of her home. Spooner fires and shoots the child in the chest as his mother watches. The wounded youth stumbles away, and Spooner fires again, missing. Moments later, Simmons was dead.

Larry testified [3] that she ran toward her son, and placed her hand on his neck, where she felt a light pulse.

“Then I pulled his shirt up and I (saw) he had a bullet hole in his chest,” she said through tears, “He took one more breath and that’s it.”

A video of Spooner's interrogation shows the killer saying he shot Simmons because he thought the middle schooler burglarized his home and stole his shotguns. The Associated Press explains [3]:

Simmons’ mother, Patricia Larry, testified that Spooner warned her to call 911 and accused her son of burglarizing his home. She said Spooner told her son he’d teach him not to steal, then fired the shot that struck the boy in his chest.

...

[Milwaukee police officer Michael Urbaniak] testified that he and Martinez placed Spooner in the back of a squad car while they investigated the scene. While being detained, Spooner commented that he had reached his breaking point and that his house had been broken into two days earlier, Urbaniak said.

The officer said Spooner claimed he knew the culprits were the kids who lived next door, and that they were part of a black family that recently moved next door and had caused nothing but trouble. Spooner is white.

In other words, another lawless white man callously profiled a Black child, rendered him guilty, and took his life with a bullet.

The defense claims Spooner did not intend to "kill" Simmons by shooting him at point-blank range. If the old, bearded white man is found guilty of murder, another round in court must then determine if he was mentally sound at the time of the killing. While the evidence in this case should make for an easier conviction than George Zimmerman's, the trial is yet another example of America's failure to value the lives of young, Black men. Today, Democracy Now reported [4] on "Operation Ghetto Storm," the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) project that found "at least 136 unarmed African Americans were killed by police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes in 2012." That's one Black person dead at the hands of a lawless enforcer every 28 hours.

Justice for these slain Black youths is not only in the court room, but a committment to stopping the thought patterns that kill kids 'guilty' only of being Black.

Source URL: http://www.alternet.org/culture/trial-begins-old-white-man-who-senselessly-shot-and-killed-black-middle-schoole
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07-18-2013, 01:23 PM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-17-2013, 10:37 PM)mexika Wrote: Let me ask you, does it matter?

Yes. It matters quite a lot.

People raised in Sri Lanka or Uzbekistan have an understanding of class structure I will never have.

Because I was raised in a much more diverse, racially mixed environment than you, I know a lot more about discrimination and racial harmony than you do. I experienced more discrimination than you ever will. I understand it much better than you.
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07-18-2013, 04:41 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-18-2013, 04:48 PM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
(07-18-2013, 01:23 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(07-17-2013, 10:37 PM)mexika Wrote: Let me ask you, does it matter?

Yes. It matters quite a lot.

People raised in Sri Lanka or Uzbekistan have an understanding of class structure I will never have.

Because I was raised in a much more diverse, racially mixed environment than you, I know a lot more about discrimination and racial harmony than you do. I experienced more discrimination than you ever will. I understand it much better than you.

I am pretty sure you do NonoNono


Zimmerman's White supremacist Mentality:

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Well, just that I think it’s critically important that we think beyond traditional forms of politics. If we are serious about building a movement that will end the Zimmerman mindset, that will end mass incarceration and break our nation’s habit of treating black and brown men as disposable, it is going to take organizing, it’s going to take civil disobedience, it’s going to take a commitment to movement building far beyond the forms of traditional advocacy that have been so prevalent in recent decades.

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Another Trayvon Martin Is Killed Every 28 Hours in This Country
July 17, 2013 |

The following is a transcript of Democracy Now!

AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to Columbus, Ohio, where we’re joined by Michelle Alexander, civil rights advocate, attorney, author of the best-selling book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness. Michelle Alexander recently wrote, "It is the Zimmerman mindset that must be found guilty—far more than the man himself. It is a mindset that views black men and boys as nothing but a threat, good for nothing, up to no good no matter who they are or what they are doing. It is the Zimmerman mindset that has birthed a penal system unprecedented in world history, and relegated millions to a permanent undercaste."

Michelle Alexander, welcome back to Democracy Now! Let’s look at the big picture here.

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Well, I think it’s clear that George Zimmerman not only killed an innocent man, but that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he had been born white. If Trayvon had been white, it is beyond any reasonable doubt that he would not have been stalked by Zimmerman, and he would not have found himself in a fight with George Zimmerman. There would have been no fight, no trial, no verdict, no dead boy.

And as we reflect on what this moment means for our democracy and our racial present, I think it’s critically important that we not allow ourselves to get bogged down in the details of who said what when, but rather step back and consider what this Zimmerman mindset, a mindset that views a boy walking in his neighborhood carrying nothing but Skittles and iced tea as a threat, this mindset that views black men and boys as a perpetual problem to be dealt with. This mindset has infected our criminal justice system, has infected our schools, has infected our politics, in ways that have had disastrous consequences, birthing a prison system unprecedented in world history and stripping millions of basic civil, human—millions of people of basic civil and human rights once they’ve been branded criminals and felons. It’s this mindset that some of us, defined largely by race and class, are unworthy of our basic care and concern, and can be dealt with harshly, written off with impunity, that has led to the birth of the prison-industrial complex and, I think, a great deal of indifference to the plight of those who are locked up in cages in prisons, but also locked out of jobs and opportunity, and find themselves trapped in ghettoized communities.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Michelle Alexander, you’ve also suggested that if Zimmerman were actually a police officer, we would not be having this conversation. Could you explain what you mean by that and what the implications of it are?

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Absolutely. You know, there has been an outpouring of anger and concern because of the actions of George Zimmerman, a private citizen who profiled a young boy and pursued him and tried to confront him, perhaps. But what George Zimmerman did is no different than what police officers do every day as a matter of standard operating procedure. We have tolerated this kind of police profiling and the stopping and frisking of young black and brown men. We have tolerated this kind of conduct for years and years, recognizing that it violates basic civil rights but allowing it to go on.

You know, the reality is, is that it is a crime for a private person to go up to another private person, armed with, you know, a loaded weapon, and confront them, stalk them, perhaps search all over their body to see what they may have on them. That is a crime. It’s an assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated battery or aggravated assault. But when a police officer does precisely the same thing, it’s called "stop and frisk."

And, as we know, stop-and-frisk policies are routine nationwide. In New York City alone, more than 600,000 people are stopped and frisked every year, overwhelmingly black and brown men, and nearly all are found to be innocent of any crime or infraction, and are harassed simply because they seem out of place, seem like they’re up to no good. The same kinds of stereotypes and hunches that George Zimmerman used when deciding that, you know, Trayvon Martin seemed like a threat in his neighborhood, law enforcement officers employ all the time.

I believe that Trayvon Martin’s life might well have been spared if many of us who care about racial justice had raised our voices much, much sooner and much, much more loudly about the routine stereotyping and profiling of young black men and boys. It is because we have tolerated these practices for so long that George Zimmerman felt emboldened, I believe, to act on a discriminatory mindset that night.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to ask you about this case of Marissa Alexander. She’s the 31-year-old African-American mother of three who was sentenced to 20 years in prison for firing what she maintains was a warning shot at her abusive husband. She has insisted she was defending herself when she fired the gun into a wall near her husband. Alexander had turned down a plea bargain that would have seen her jailed for something like three years. She attempted to use Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in her defense, but in March 2012 the jury convicted her, after only 12 minutes of deliberation, and she was sentenced to 20 years behind bars under a Florida law known as "10-20-Life" that carries a mandatory minimum for certain gun crimes regardless of the circumstance. This was an Angela Corey prosecution, the special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case who ultimately brought the charge of second-degree murder against George Zimmerman. Michelle Alexander, can you talk about this Florida law and the issue of mandatory minimums, in general?

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Absolutely. You know, the case you just described is, you know, a stark example of the discriminatory application of the Stand Your Ground law itself. You know, here is a woman firing shots in the air to protect herself from what she believed is an abusive spouse, and she winds up getting 20 years, while George Zimmerman, you know, is released scot-free after pursuing someone based on racial stereotypes and assumptions of criminality. She received a 20-year sentence because of harsh mandatory minimum sentences, sentences that exist in Florida and in states nationwide.

Mandatory minimum sentences give no discretion to judges about the amount of time that the person should receive once a guilty verdict is rendered. Harsh mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses were passed by Congress in the 1980s as part of the war on drugs and the "get tough" movement, sentences that have helped to fuel our nation’s prison boom and have also greatly aggravated racial disparities, particularly in the application of mandatory minimum sentences for crack cocaine.

It is the Zimmerman mindset, the mindset that some people, viewed largely by race and class, are a problem that must be dealt with harshly and just locked up and, you know, the key thrown away, that has helped to drive the adoption of many of these mandatory minimum sentence laws. And if we are serious about ending the Zimmerman mindset, we must be committed to much more than ending vigilante justice. We must be committed to repealing all of the mandatory minimum sentence laws that reflect that kind of Zimmerman mindset, the mentality that some people can simply be disposed of, are a problem—not people who have problems, but who are the embodiment of problem—that can be treated like mere throwaways.

AMY GOODMAN: And I just wanted to correct: Her name is Marissa Alexander, the woman who was sentenced to 20 years in jail for shooting a gun. Nermeen?

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Michelle Alexander, you heard the comments of Attorney General Eric Holder. What do you think the Justice Department should be doing in response to this and in response to some of the trends that you’ve spoken of in the criminal justice system?

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Well, with respect to the George Zimmerman case, I think they are right to continue their investigation into whether federal civil rights charges can be brought against George Zimmerman. I think it’s highly unlikely that the Justice Department will actually file suit against George Zimmerman, but I am encouraged that they’re actually continuing the investigation.

But simply investigating this one case does not even begin to scratch the surface of what must be done. Although Attorney General Eric Holder does not have the authority to repeal mandatory minimum sentences and undo the legislation that has, you know, helped to create the prison-industrial complex, what he can do is insist that we have a national debate and dialogue. He can say that the passage of these mandatory minimum sentences was wrong and that it was done with a discriminatory mindset, that it was done with an attitude of overwhelming punitiveness towards poor people, in general, and poor people of color, in particular, that it has had disastrous consequences for poor communities of color, and that we must undo the harm that has been done and repeal these laws so that a more restorative and rehabilitative approach to criminal justice might be possible. He can do this. You know, this is a conversation that I think he is well positioned to lead and to begin. But as we’ve seen with President Obama’s administration, although both the president and Attorney General Holder often say they want to encourage frank dialogues about race, we’ve seen relatively little in terms of, you know, actual initiative and leadership shown around issues of racial justice. And I would hope that, you know, in the months that follow the Trayvon Martin tragedy, that we will see much more courage and bold leadership coming from the Justice Department.

AMY GOODMAN: Michelle Alexander, I want to ask you to stay with us.... We’re going to come back to talk about a new study of African Americans killed by police or security guards just in the last year. Stay with us.

According to a recent study, the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer is not unique. [Read Adam Hudson's article for AlterNet on the report [5]] In "Operation Ghetto Storm," the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) found at least 136 unarmed African Americans were killed by police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes in 2012. Overall, one black person was killed in an extrajudicial shooting every 28 hours. We speak with Kali Akuno, a longtime MXGM organizer and author of "Let Your Motto Be Resistance: A Handbook on Organizing New Afrikan and Oppressed Communities." "This speaks to the mindset of criminalizing blackness," Akuno says. "We see it systematically throughout this country and really we have to get at the heart of it and have a much deeper conversation. I think the mass movement which is taking place in response [to the Trayvon Martin case] is an opening shot to have that conversation."

NERMEEN SHAIKH: We turn now to a report [6] that examines how what happened to Trayvon Martin, and the lack of punishment faced by his killer, is not unique. In a survey conducted in 2012, the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement found at least 136 unarmed African Americans were killed by police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes over the course of a single year. When African Americans who were armed are included in the survey, the overall number killed in extrajudicial shootings was 313—one black person killed every 28 hours.

AMY GOODMAN: For more, we’re joined by Kali Akuno, a longtime organizer with the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, author of Let Your Motto Be Resistance: A Handbook on Organizing New Afrikan and Oppressed Communities. His organization’s report is called "Operation Ghetto Storm," documenting the extrajudicial killing of 313 black people in 2012. Michelle Alexander is still with us, author of The New Jim Crow.

It’s great to have you both with us. Kali Akuno, very quickly, just go through what you found.

KALI AKUNO: What we found is that this practice of extrajudicial killings is very systematic throughout the country. We found that police officers rarely—or the security guards or those who are deputized, such as George Zimmerman—are rarely, if ever, persecuted for the crimes that they commit, for the killings that they commit. And we found that overwhelmingly—as you mentioned some of the figures, overwhelmingly, most of the folks who were killed do not have any weapons. And the main reason—even 47 percent of those who were killed, the reasoning that was offered by the police is that they felt threatened—and so, a very similar argument that you hear in the Zimmerman case. And this was very systematic.

And we also found that—313 is what we could definitely verify, but we believe that this is an undercount. And this is primarily because the police, how they document these killings, oftentimes in many states there is no race designated. But what you can do is look at the geographic area and kind of make some summaries. But the federal government really is not compiling this information, and not many people are trying to compile this information, so there is a pretty significant gap in terms of, you know, the cold reality, if we want to look at and desegregate it by race, of what’s actually taking place in our communities.

AMY GOODMAN: Kali, I want to ask you about a particular case. A trial began this week in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for a case that’s been compared to the Trayvon Martin shooting. An elderly white man, John Henry Spooner, is facing first-degree intentional murder charges for the fatal shooting of his unarmed [neighbor], a 13-year-old African-American boy named Darius Simmons, in May 2012. According to the criminal complaint, Spooner confronted Darius Simmons of stealing from his home. When Simmons denied it, Spooner shot him. The boy’s mother witnessed her son’s murder. Darius Simmons’ aunt, Betty McCuiston, spoke at the vigil after the shooting.

BETTY McCUISTON: And his mom want everyone to know that he had his hands up, standing in front of him, when he shot him. And then he turned to run, and he shot him again in his back.

AMY GOODMAN: After witnessing her son’s murder, Darius Simmons’ mother, Patricia Larry, was reportedly forced to remain in a police car for more than an hour instead of being allowed to be with her son’s body. Police searched her home for the firearms Spooner had accused the boy of stealing but found nothing. He was her—his neighbor. They also arrested another of her sons on a year-old truancy violation. On Monday, at least one potential juror for the Spooner case was not chosen after he expressed anger over the Zimmerman verdict. Of the 14 jurors selected Monday, only one is African American. If you could tell us more about this, Kali Akuno?

KALI AKUNO: Well, I mean, just briefly, we see, again, the same pattern, particularly in the jury selection. We see the same pattern of how the police were derelict in their duties to gather the information, how they treated the mother and the rest of her family as if they were guilty. We see the same kind of pattern. It speaks to the mindset of criminalizing blackness, of criminalizing black people, that Michelle Alexander was breaking down to you, that we see as systematic throughout the country and that really we have to get at the heart of and have a much deeper conversation. And I think the mass movement which is taking place in response is an opening shot to have that conversation, to really talk about race in a more substantive way and to basically, I think, deal with the policies that we need to transform, you know, the stop and frisk, the war on drugs, because that’s ultimately what we’re talking about and what has to take place in this country, and to change this narrative.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Michelle Alexander, very quickly—Michelle Alexander, very quickly, before we conclude, your final comment?

MICHELLE ALEXANDER: Well, just that I think it’s critically important that we think beyond traditional forms of politics. If we are serious about building a movement that will end the Zimmerman mindset, that will end mass incarceration and break our nation’s habit of treating black and brown men as disposable, it is going to take organizing, it’s going to take civil disobedience, it’s going to take a commitment to movement building far beyond the forms of traditional advocacy that have been so prevalent in recent decades.

Source URL: http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/trayvon-martins-unpunished-shooting-death-among-100-extrajudicial-killings-unarmed

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George Zimmerman Molested 6-year-old Cousin (Audio)

The witness claims that Zimmerman has also abused one other female, who has yet to come forward.

Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, argued that witness 9’s statements were irrelevant to the Trayvon Martin case. Some of the racial implications made by the witness, he said, could likely cause “widespread hostile publicity.”

“I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black,” the witness told investigators. “Because growing up they’ve always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white and other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people.”

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07-18-2013, 06:46 PM,
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
Oh please Mexika, again with this racism crap?
You really want to know the blunt truth about the Trayvon Martin Case?
Its one very big, very organized and very tiring distraction. A distraction that's keeping everyone, whether they're white, black or brown divided and emotionally controlled in order for us not to be discussing the real issues that AFFECT ALL OF US!!!Most Cops dont care what color you are, Ive been harassed plenty and Im not black. This whole arguement is wrong and fueled by racists that want more division. Divide & Conquer.
I really dont think it's a mere coincidence that we have some of the biggest scandals going on in the whitehouse, the NSA scandal and what should be a national outcry against the NSA and the policies being brought to light, the continued drone strikes, a proxy war in Syria but no, instead we are being divided in some stupid bullshit race debate through this TV court drama that has nothing to do with race.
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07-19-2013, 08:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-19-2013, 08:17 AM by mexika.)
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RE: The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case
Privilege is real. White privilege is especially real, especially when it comes to our courts of law, especially when it comes to death. No matter if you're the victim or the perp, if you want justice, the only thing you don't want to be is the black one.

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Over 2.5 blacks in prison, more so than the Jim crow period, that that is a signal that something is really going wrong...
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The Black Panthers were officially named the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. They carried guns but they did not shoot any white cops or vigilantes. Instead, the cops shot them.

White Skin privilege is real in the US. Zimmerman may have been hispanic but when he was put up against a black man, he was instantly included in the white race.

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Killing in Self-Defense: You Better Be White

By Danielle C. Belton, The Root

18 July 13



Black defendants rarely get a ruling of justifiable homicide, whether the victim is white or black.

t doesn't hurt to have a little white privilege on your side.

If you can get it.

And George Zimmerman got the most out of what privilege he had after being found not guilty in the murder of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. After the verdict, Zimmerman's attorneys held a press conference, and attorney Mark O'Mara, while answering a reporter's question, remarked that if Zimmerman had been black, "He never would've been charged with a crime."

O'Mara couldn't be more wrong.

I don't know which justice system O'Mara's been operating in, but black people are more likely to get a conviction no matter who they kill - black or white - even if they claim self-defense. Especially since most of them can't afford O'Mara to represent them in the first place.

There is no privilege in claiming self-defense while black - even when killing another black person. When the verdict came down not guilty, Zimmerman had not just the jury but also statistics on his side.

A 2012 study by PBS's Frontline is getting a second look post-Zimmerman's exoneration, and it reveals that if you're going to kill in self-defense in America, you'd better be white. By analyzing data from a study by John Roman, senior analyst at the Urban Institute's Justice Policy Center, Frontline found that in "Stand your ground" states, white people who kill black people are 354 percent more likely to be found justified in their killings. And it doesn't get much better in non-"Stand your ground" states, where that number goes down only to 250 percent.

But even when it comes to black-on-black crime or black-on-white crime, a black defendant is unlikely to get a self-defense ruling in his or her favor, whether or not the state has "Stand your ground" laws on the books, as shown in this graph.

Source: PBS.org
Source: PBS.org

But is this proof of bias? Not necessarily, according to Frontline:

So the disparity is clear. But the figures don't yet prove bias. As Roman points out, the data doesn't show the circumstances behind the killings, for example whether the people who were shot were involved in home invasions or in a confrontation on the street.

Additionally, there are far fewer white-on-black shootings in the FBI data - only 25 total in both the Stand Your Ground and non-Stand Your Ground states. In fact, the small sample size is one of the reasons Roman conducted a regression analysis, which determines the statistical likelihood of whether the killings will be found justifiable.

Anecdotally, we can name the names - Oscar Grant III, James Byrd, Amadou Diallo, Jordan Davis, Trayvon Martin - some killed by police, others by civilians. Sometimes the perpetrators were punished, as in the case of Byrd's lynching. Others were sentenced, but leniently, like former police officer Johannes Mehserle, who killed Oscar Grant. He received two years with credit for time served and served only 11 months. Trayvon's killer is now free, and it's yet to be seen what will happen to Michael Dunn, who shot Florida teen Jordan Davis over an alleged dispute involving "loud music."

So the fact that black life, again, isn't valued as much as the lives of others - and that if you're a black person claiming self-defense, you are unlikely to be believed - is not shocking. It's depressing, but a depressing reality that we have lived under for centuries.

How can these statistics be surprising when post-Reconstruction lynchings were rampant? There were rarely arrests, and almost never any trials. Just death. And how can anyone raise an eyebrow after witnessing the 1950s and '60s, when, even if, on the off-chance, someone who killed a civil rights worker or any black person did end up in court, that person was unlikely to be punished? After all, all these black victims had dared to "step out of line," "not know their place" or "be uppity," which is all code for "They were acting like they had rights or something." And you can't have black people acting, thinking, living, breathing, being a free people.

They might marry your daughter, and their kid might become president of the United States. Can't have that.

Privilege is real. White privilege is especially real, especially when it comes to our courts of law, especially when it comes to death. No matter if you're the victim or the perp, if you want justice, the only thing you don't want to be is the black one.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/304-justice/18475-killing-in-self-defense-you-better-be-white
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