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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
02-06-2009, 02:05 PM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE

by: Rabbi Moses Jakubowicz
15 May 2008

During the Middle Ages, the Jewish people suffered many a time from fanatically religious governments who expelled or killed whoever refused to adhere to their religious belief. In the modern era, the Jewish people suffer due to the worlds misunderstanding of the distinction between Judaism and Zionism.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Throughout history, whoever joined the Jewish religion was called a Jew, no matter what his race, and whoever abandoned the Holy Torah was not considered a Jew. In fact, the biggest names in Jewish history were converts or descendants of converts: King David, Zipporah, Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir, Shmaya and Avtalyon.

The proponents of Zionism, for their own political and financial advantage, have transformed the Jewish religion into a race. Similarly, they have taken the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety, and transformed it into a vehicle for their political goals, a source for their claims to a piece of land. These claims took their latest form this week, when, to our sorrow, the Zionist falsification was brought to the world's eyes by the media.

President Bush is visiting the State of Israel, and several rabbis of the extremist Zionist settler community have penned a letter to the President, asking him to stop putting pressure on the Israeli leadership to make land concessions to the Palestinian Authority.

The letter read in part:

"It is totally presumptuous that while the US fights terror, it pressures Israel to make concessions to terrorists! In the name of the people of Israel, the Land of Israel, the Torah of Israel and the G-d of Israel, we demand that his honor the president cease the pressure on the State to hand lands to the Arabs… Honorable President, you must not be remembered in history as Nebuchadnezzar and Titus who destroyed Jerusalem. You must surely remember that American does not benefit from causing damage, Heaven forbid, to the Jewish people and its land. If you help the wholeness of our holy land, we promise you and your country endless blessings."

Signed: Dov Lior, David Druckman, Yaakov Yosef, Shmuel Eliyahu and Shalom Dov Wolpe.

The writers of this letter call themselves rabbis and speak in the name of the Jewish religion, but the world must not allow itself to be fooled. They are radical politicians and militants advancing their own agenda, for which they are distorting the Holy Torah and by doing so they are jeopardizing the Jewish people in the entire world as the Zionists did in the Second World War.

We look forward to the Messianic Era, when Jerusalem will be "a house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7)

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/new.../RJ20080516.cfm
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03-18-2009, 01:04 AM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler. Chapter and verse...
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03-20-2009, 03:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-20-2009, 10:15 PM by ---.)
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Quote:Read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler. Chapter and verse...


Hmm a tad pretentious, JR?. Why not pay the courtesy to read the evidence against that potential Koestler fantasy too, before clambering onto a high horse with the curt comment? Khazaria is based on what? - a few outlandish letters? History is fabricated all over the place:rolleyes:


'dissolve and coagulate' - considering the present overbearing system, posting this in 'zionism' might have been more apt ..

@ staffer crew - or dare I say it, a double posting in 'religion and occult' AND 'zionism' to maximise search effectiveness :O
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03-20-2009, 03:00 PM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Quote:Khazaria is based on what? - a few outlandish letters? History is fabricated all over the place

So what are you saying?
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03-20-2009, 03:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-20-2009, 03:41 PM by nietzscheansuperman.)
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"the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety"

My emoticons, etc are not working, just picture a vomiting emoticon here. Reading such shit makes me sick! I suppose moses ordering the rape (sex slavery) and murder of young children is fair peaceful and pious? Fuck off you deceitful cunts! some of us have read this filth and wont fall for your lies!!
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03-20-2009, 07:41 PM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Quote:"the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety"

My emoticons, etc are not working, just picture a vomiting emoticon here. Reading such shit makes me sick! I suppose moses ordering the rape (sex slavery) and murder of young children is fair peaceful and pious? Fuck off you deceitful cunts! some of us have read this filth and wont fall for your lies!!
The Torah is a good book, I think you are talking about the Talmud.
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03-20-2009, 10:27 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-20-2009, 10:34 PM by ---.)
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Quote:
Quote:Khazaria is based on what? - a few outlandish letters? History is fabricated all over the place

So what are you saying?

twiceborn Wrote:It seems that Jewish authors have been fabricating historical evidence of Khazaria and their empire for many centuries. In fact, most of the original knowledge of this kingdom came from these literary forgeries.

Modern historians would never have started looking for the empire of Khazaria unless they were prompted by these false descriptions. As we know, if you are being paid to look for something, you will find it. If you don't you lose your funding. This seems to be the case here, with modern historians "rediscovering" evidence for the long forgotten empire, or simply inventing it wherever it suited their agendas.

I'm not buying it, and i'll show you why.

The first example is one that Arthur Koestler uses in "The Thirteenth Tribe". Koestler was a propagandist, a communist revolutionary, and a Zionist, and I dont know why anyone thinks he'd write an honest book. Let me just say this, no one ever branded him an "anti-semite" and he died a very wealthy man. Alan Watt would have us believe he was really exposing the truth, yeah riiiight.....

In this account, apparently a Spanish Jew, "Hasdai Ibn-Ishaq", heard of a wonderful Jewish paradise to the East. He decided to write them a letter, and lo and behold, they responded!

But this was not just any response, it was from the KING OF KHAZARIA himself, the honorable "King Joseph, son of Aaron". (notice the biblical names...) The good king told Hasdai about his kingdom, a wonderful land where jews were free to frolic like nature intended. How touching.

King Joseph even wrote Hasdai a follow up letter. Between these two letters we get all of our early information describing Khazaria.

This letter was very popular to Jews in that era, and Hasdai became a well known figure. Apparently this letter still exists, and is still the ONLY EVIDENCE OF A KHAZAR KINGDOM WHICH CONVERSION TO JUDAISM. Yep, thats it, thats the evidence. All of it.

Now, if thats not idiotic enough for you, consider this.

The arab mapmaker Ibn Hawkal, who wrote the FIRST MAP showing the Khazar Kingdom got his information about the Kingdom from the rumors he heard about Hasdai.

On his map he writes:
"Hasdai thinks that this great long mountain is connected with the mountains of Armenia and traverses the country of the Greeks, extending to Khazaran and the mountains of Armenia. He was well informed about these parts because he visited them and met their principal kings and leading men."

Notice how the story changed? Now the rumor was that Hasdai had gone to Khazaria himself and met with it's "Kings and leading men". Also, notice the description: "traverses the country of the Greeks, extending to Khazaran and the mountains of Armenia".

He clearly describes "Khazaran" as a country past Greece and before Armenia. Compare this to Arthur Koestler's map of Khazaria which shows it in a completely different location.
Map: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

What Ibn Hawkal describes on his map is a Kingdom in the area of modern Turkey, which correlates to my theory that the land of the Khazars was the land of the Caesars - the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire. But this map itself is a little vague, it was also dated as between 479 and 1086ad. That's over 500 years, a mighty big gap for an accurate historical dating, wouldnt you say?

Its probably a forgery, as no one seems to know when or where the hell it came from.

This is not the only original work on the Khazars that came from Hasdai's fantasy pen pal club. There were several books written on the Khazars using the letter as source material. These were all written by prominent Rabbis in the few generations after Hasdai. And ladies and gentlemen, THESE ARE THE VERY WORKS WHICH HISTORIANS USE FOR THEIR INFORMATION TODAY. One way or another, ALL of the research on Khazaria derive from these texts.

The worst part about all of this is that Arthur Koestler TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. He does go over the information I just stated but he did not really question any of the information as I just did, he just shrugs it off and stays his course. All of this is put into "Appendix 3" of his book,wayyyy at the end, but he never seems to mention that ALL of the information given in the preceeding chapters derived from these sources!

He really wants to get across that idea that the "Khazars converted to Judaism" and that "They are the European Jews today", regardless of how little evidence there acutally is for these events. Pointing to southern Russia and saying "there be Jews" is a great way to divert our attention and is the essence of disinformation.

We need to really question this story, and stop taking it for granted because it's hundreds of years old and "historically accepted". Most historians are rich little twits who decided to study history so they wouldnt need to get a real job. They go with the flow, and never question anything as it would be professional suicide and would upset all the other History Dorks.

If you dont believe me, go to a Renaissance faire and THEN tell me i'm incorrect in this assessment...:LOL:



I dont want to smash a held belief and offer nothing to replace it, so here are my theories. I MAY BE WRONG, but its something to start with.

I do believe there was an Empire that "adopted" Judaism (created it actually) in the East. It is the same empire that "created" the Catholic Church and modern Christianity out of the Egyptian Gnostic beliefs. The same ruling class developed BOTH Judaism and Christianity and then gave them false histories, stretching into the archaic past, so they could not be questioned. Acharya S. gives a great description of this in her books. I highly suggest them.

Why are both "Jewish" and "Christian" texts included in the bible? Because it was written as a collaboration between those two groups. They both came under the leadership of the Empire, and both had their places.

Judaism was never "persecuted", their numbers were meant to be small and THEY THEMSELVES choose to live in separate communities, just as you would want from a "ruling class" who needed to stay above and apart from those they ruled.

This all happened in the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, the real "Caesaria" (KHAZARIA) - "the land of Caesar".

tbh, it's from an interesting thread over at tiu..



http://www.revisedhistory.org/civilevents.htm

http://www.revisedhistory.org/Book%20of ... zation.pdf
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03-20-2009, 11:35 PM,
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That sounds like a complete waste of time to me nik.
The fact of the matter is, there's a buncha motherfuckers
out there, really greedy bastards, and they like to call themselves JEWS.
So be it!

If the greedy bloodsucking bastards want to be known as JEWS, I shall oblige them
in the same way I'd call a man African-American if he prefered that over "black".

Who really gives a fuck if Khazaria was just a fantasy stop on Dorothy's trip to the
JEWISH soap and lampshade factory in the land of Oz?

Am I missing something here? If Khazaria never was, this ends the discussion on the
Ashkenazi?

[edit]
A big time wasting diversion... who's a Jew and who's not. Anyone care to rewrite the
Nürnburg laws?
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03-21-2009, 12:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-21-2009, 12:18 AM by ---.)
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yeah, fair enough - I hear what you're saying.. it doesn't really change anything on the ground. Intriguing though nevertheless, why this fabrication may have occurred.
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03-21-2009, 04:32 AM,
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"The Torah is a good book, I think you are talking about the Talmud."

No mate, the torah is much worse than the talmud!! I'm definitely not mistaken, can provide verses for you to look up if you want? (again;))
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03-21-2009, 05:29 PM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Its alright, its not my area of interest. Thanks anyways.
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03-22-2009, 03:35 AM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Quote:"The Torah is a good book, I think you are talking about the Talmud."

No mate, the torah is much worse than the talmud!! I'm definitely not mistaken, can provide verses for you to look up if you want?

please provide said verses.
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03-22-2009, 10:39 AM,
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE
Sure thing buddy..


the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took
as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they
dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty,
both of man and of beast . . . Moses said to them, "Why have you let all the women live? . . . Now
therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by
lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive
for yourselves."


Numbers 31:7-18

That is tame compared to my copy (the good news bible), some try to cover up the reality of it with clever wording or outright omittance/censorship of some verses but no matter how they word it, it is inexcusable. I'm leaving out a few things about moses becoming angry with the generals for not killing the women & children, etc.. but it's just for convenience sake to copy & paste. There's no doubt about it! moses was a worthless rancid steaming piece of shit and judaism is a disgusting religion!!


There's far more than that BTW, it was only a small example.
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03-22-2009, 12:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2009, 12:27 PM by JazzRoc.)
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"I do believe there was an Empire that "adopted" Judaism (created it actually) in the East. It is the same empire that "created" the Catholic Church and modern Christianity out of the Egyptian Gnostic beliefs. The same ruling class developed BOTH Judaism and Christianity and then gave them false histories, stretching into the archaic past, so they could not be questioned. Acharya S. gives a great description of this in her books. I highly suggest them.

Why are both "Jewish" and "Christian" texts included in the bible? Because it was written as a collaboration between those two groups. They both came under the leadership of the Empire, and both had their places.

Judaism was never "persecuted", their numbers were meant to be small and THEY THEMSELVES choose to live in separate communities, just as you would want from a "ruling class" who needed to stay above and apart from those they ruled.

This all happened in the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, the real "Caesaria" (KHAZARIA) - "the land of Caesar".
"

This seems quite plausible to me.

Koestler or no Koestler, Nik, (what's all THAT about?) there WAS a large community of Eastern European peasants who adopted Judaism just as the English adopted the (Jewish) Christianity, and as a consequence those peasants have no more right to occupy Palestine than you or I.

Oh, and I'm with you all the way, Nietzschian...
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03-22-2009, 04:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-22-2009, 04:33 PM by ---.)
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Quote:"I do believe there was an Empire that "adopted" Judaism (created it actually) in the East. It is the same empire that "created" the Catholic Church and modern Christianity out of the Egyptian Gnostic beliefs. The same ruling class developed BOTH Judaism and Christianity and then gave them false histories, stretching into the archaic past, so they could not be questioned. Acharya S. gives a great description of this in her books. I highly suggest them.

Why are both "Jewish" and "Christian" texts included in the bible? Because it was written as a collaboration between those two groups. They both came under the leadership of the Empire, and both had their places.

Judaism was never "persecuted", their numbers were meant to be small and THEY THEMSELVES choose to live in separate communities, just as you would want from a "ruling class" who needed to stay above and apart from those they ruled.

This all happened in the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire, the real "Caesaria" (KHAZARIA) - "the land of Caesar".
"

This seems quite plausible to me.

Koestler or no Koestler, Nik, (what's all THAT about?) there WAS a large community of Eastern European peasants who adopted Judaism just as the English adopted the (Jewish) Christianity, and as a consequence those peasants have no more right to occupy Palestine than you or I.

Oh, and I'm with you all the way, Nietzschian...

I agree with you - It was a bad day, sorry for jumping all over you. It wasn't called for..
My main point was that Koestler's rendition of history; fervent Zionist that he was, in itself is well over due scrutiny..especially considering the amount of focus that has been given to it.

I think when one starts really delving into the complex history of Judaism/the Hebrews, with it's many misdirections and fabrications, at some point a wholly different hidden history begins to poke throught the murk - and it is something entirely different to what we have today accepted as a correct history.

Absolutely European converts have no claim to that land. I agree "110%"

It may well contain some errors but I recommend, I may have already, 'ring of power' - it's on google video, as a helpful tool in cracking open the vault of hidden history..you may find it's follow up discrediting, considering your 'bs*' but try and view it independently of that.

*belief system
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