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Communicating with trees
06-08-2013, 04:32 AM,
#1
Communicating with trees
At the risk of sounding ridiculous I started a discussion thread regarding “communicating with trees”.

It could also be extended to other forms of plants, and why not other forms of life?

Anyway, I don’t care anymore what others think of my actions. I share only because I hope to find some that are willing to discuss topics that are not found elsewhere.

So, yes, I love being out there in the forest and think trees are awesome. So the other day a mushroom suggested that I should try to communicate with trees. At first I thought this was ridiculous, but then again mushrooms have proven to be a very reliable source. So I tried.

At first I had no idea how to go about communicating with trees. So I picked one that seemed attractive. I walked near it and decided to touch it and improvise the rest. It didn’t take very long to understand that I should shut the f*ck up with the inside jibber jabber that was going on in my head. After all how could I be constantly speaking internally and hope to listen to something new?

So I did. But then my internal voice started again, so I fought it again, and again. Until I reached a point where I was touching the tree that I had picked out and found a relative silence inside my mind. That was when I found several “external images” invading my mind. At first I tried to shut them down, thinking they came from me (which is a strong possibility). But with time I learned to see these images as possible form of communication. It didn’t take me long to get the “hang of things”. At one point I remember asking a question and making silence until I got them images again.

So you may laugh at me and think I’m mental, but at least can you respect the fact that I’m experimenting with things that you may have never done, or that school has never given you the chance to try? As such, I have come into my own methodology, which I am sharing with you, as to how I have entered into a “special relationship” with trees. I have tried this since a few time, and while it takes times and dedication, it is always very rewarding. Do they really “communicate” with me? How can I even know or respond to that, as I have no point of reference to what is really true...

I go out on a limb sharing this with you all, not that I have to (I’m not one of them conspiracy folks that ask for money), but only because I think we need to share things that can make a difference.

We all can make a difference if we share honestly.

Now for the ad hominem attacks...
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06-08-2013, 06:13 AM,
#2
RE: Communicating with trees
thanks for sharing.... the secret life of plants came to mind right away. Listening to mushrooms is always a good idea (especially when it comes to trees... they know their wood^^), with emphasis on listening of course.

Counter-questions: Why should root, mycelium systems etc. growing out of a huge rotating electromagnet(totallyoversimplifying here) flying through space not be a network that is connected way more intricately than we could ever logically infer? Is our www comparably a clumsy attempt at what has long been perfected?
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06-08-2013, 06:49 AM,
#3
RE: Communicating with trees
(06-08-2013, 04:32 AM)Watchdog Wrote: At the risk of sounding ridiculous I started a discussion thread regarding “communicating with trees”.

It could also be extended to other forms of plants, and why not other forms of life?

Anyway, I don’t care anymore what others think of my actions. I share only because I hope to find some that are willing to discuss topics that are not found elsewhere.

So, yes, I love being out there in the forest and think trees are awesome. So the other day a mushroom suggested that I should try to communicate with trees. At first I thought this was ridiculous, but then again mushrooms have proven to be a very reliable source. So I tried.

At first I had no idea how to go about communicating with trees. So I picked one that seemed attractive. I walked near it and decided to touch it and improvise the rest. It didn’t take very long to understand that I should shut the f*ck up with the inside jibber jabber that was going on in my head. After all how could I be constantly speaking internally and hope to listen to something new?

So I did. But then my internal voice started again, so I fought it again, and again. Until I reached a point where I was touching the tree that I had picked out and found a relative silence inside my mind. That was when I found several “external images” invading my mind. At first I tried to shut them down, thinking they came from me (which is a strong possibility). But with time I learned to see these images as possible form of communication. It didn’t take me long to get the “hang of things”. At one point I remember asking a question and making silence until I got them images again.

So you may laugh at me and think I’m mental, but at least can you respect the fact that I’m experimenting with things that you may have never done, or that school has never given you the chance to try? As such, I have come into my own methodology, which I am sharing with you, as to how I have entered into a “special relationship” with trees. I have tried this since a few time, and while it takes times and dedication, it is always very rewarding. Do they really “communicate” with me? How can I even know or respond to that, as I have no point of reference to what is really true...

I go out on a limb sharing this with you all, not that I have to (I’m not one of them conspiracy folks that ask for money), but only because I think we need to share things that can make a difference.

We all can make a difference if we share honestly.

Now for the ad hominem attacks...

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06-08-2013, 07:08 AM,
#4
RE: Communicating with trees
What do you mean by "a mushroom suggested"? What were those images?

Communication with animals is an old aboriginal practice strongly related to tracking. Hunters interpret the tracks and, in case they discover the animal that left the tracks, they go back their assumptions chain eliminating the wrong assumptions are reconstructing the timeline to understand how those tracks come to be. In order to do so, they imitate the behavior of the animal trying to perceive the world as the animal would.

I know nothing about plants communication except that trees communicate with each other, probably chemically, and are able to react to stress all over the network even if only one tree was subject to stress. I also know that Derrick Jensen keeps saying stuff like he was talking to a river, to a tree, etc but I guess he's just full of it.
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06-08-2013, 07:50 AM,
#5
RE: Communicating with trees
forcing an OBE, by tricking the body isn't exactly the best high, more the opposite.... most techniques I've seen floating around the net (sleep paralysis etc) are really not the way to go. Would rather stay with the plant teachers until you have real control & understanding of what goes on internally - trance dance and meditation would be reliable, but that takes practice, unlike deluding the body with instant shock methods.

@fujinn: any experienced mushroom gatherer (in my country still a tradition) will not talk but listen, effects of synesthesia also have the potential to be quite "suggestive" and tend to support one's objective. Also animism is not only related to external tracking.
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06-08-2013, 08:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-08-2013, 08:40 AM by Watchdog.)
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RE: Communicating with trees
Salut! Not sure how I can reply to all these wonderful nice responses?

Quote and MYSESPONSE (this is not a perfect science - more like impro)

MYSESPONSE "Thanks for sharing.... the secret life of plants came to mind right away. Listening to mushrooms is always a good idea (especially when it comes to trees... they know their wood^^), with emphasis on listening of course. Counter-questions: Why should root, mycelium systems etc. growing out of a huge rotating electromagnet (totallyoversimplifying here) flying through space not be a network that is connected way more intricately than we could ever logically infer? Is our www comparably a clumsy attempt at what has long been perfected? “

MYRESPONSE: Well yes I read that book “Secret life of plants” and it was one of the books that “opened my mind” and brought me to Biodynamic Agriculture. Then I travelled to find such a farm and “worked” there...

MYRESPONSE: I don’t really know why mushrooms play their role?! But I know this: they are decomposers, and as such they mediate life and death. They do “know their wood” as they turn wood into soil (which most agricultural soil come from forest soils in the first place). If I was given the opportunity I could explain how this phenomenon occurs, but...
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Member: fujiinn
“What do
you mean by "a mushroom suggested"? What were those images?”
MYRESPONSE: Good of you for asking! I drank a mushroom tea. You know what I’m talking about...

Fujiinn: “Communication with animals is an old aboriginal practice strongly related to tracking. Hunters interpret the tracks and, in case they discover the animal that left the tracks, they go back their assumptions chain eliminating the wrong assumptions are reconstructing the timeline to understand how those tracks come to be. In order to do so, they imitate the behavior of the animal trying to perceive the world as the animal would. I know nothing about plants communication except that trees communicate with each other, probably chemically, and are able to react to stress all over the network even if only one tree was subject to stress. I also know that Derrick Jensen keeps saying stuff like he was talking to a river, to a tree, etc but I guess he's just full of it.

MYRESPONSE: Animals, plants, and all have vibrations:
Can you fit your vibrations to meet cosmic vibrations?” This is what I’m trying to explain... Words may not be sufficient; sorry for that limitation. I do what I can with this pathetic “linear language” that we all use... Shrooms and plants feed us at many levels. (I could have a go at explaining the different levels, but only if you invite me for a coffee).
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Not sure what else to add?
Ok why not add that if YOU have issues with the “system”, then what is preventing you to do something about it? And what if the solution was that we should refuse to participate into the corrupt system? Would you consider closing down your bank account? Ohhh, but what do you think about the corruption of the banking system?
Pffff... Hypocrites!
Please speak once you have honor and integrity. Until then shut the f*ck; sorry to disturb you hypocrisy...
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06-08-2013, 09:02 AM,
#7
RE: Communicating with trees
@fireballs: I know that animism has many purposes, I was describing the proximate practice to our modern culture, based on the scientific method Smile

@Watchdog: the solution is to stop participating in the corrupt system by becoming self sufficient (a garden), creating community, creating alternative currencies, etc. It's hard when you're an island in a sea of conformity though. What's with the "hypocrisy" part, frustrated with love or it's actually part of love?
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10-09-2013, 08:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-09-2013, 08:15 AM by Watchdog.)
#8
RE: Communicating with trees
Hello.

An update!

As you may know I've been of service on a biodynamic farm in my travel in the US, after growing organic food in BC. So, I'd like to add to the "communicating with trees" thread.

Last week, while I was working on fruit-seeds I landed on the strawberry patch. I was not sure what I should do, but at least I knew they where fruit. Smile

I was in the field, no books, no friends, nothing. So I decided to "communicate with the strawberry (SB) plant". Ok, yes, I know this sounds crazy, but then again...

Here is what I remember:

ME- Hello how may I be of service. I heard that today the moon was in a fruit-seed constellation?
SB- Well thanks. Actually I need a haircut.

ME- LOL! Very funny. So, if I was to cut your hair what is a proper strawberry haircut? What do you want?
SB- Well. Just take off the big old and brown leafs and those dying around them so I can focus on the fruits. As you already know this is a "fruit" day.

ME- Ok. Got it.
SB- Hey, don't forget to disturbe the soil as the cosmic rays will best enter the soil layer.

ME- Done
SB- Let's grow fruits together.
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10-09-2013, 12:13 PM,
#9
RE: Communicating with trees
Interesting thread so far.

I recall watching an episode of In Search Of... regarding how plants receive "stress" from other beings, like live shrimp being dumped, the timing of which was arbitrarily decided by a random number generator while no one was around, in a pot of boiling water and a meter hooked up to a plant that went wild upon the deaths of the shrimp. It's pretty darned clear that plants are able to communicate, and it's not a far stretch that if they can communicate with one another, and with animals who can tune in, or are tuned in, to the right channel, that they'd act as a relay system of sorts.

If quantum entanglement were part of the picture, this communication would be nearly, if not completely, instantaneous.

With regards to your discussion with the productive-sounding strawberry patch, Watchdog, I gather it wasn't necessarily a communication of words between you two. Would you be so kind as to describe the method of communication more from your own perspective?
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10-09-2013, 12:31 PM,
#10
RE: Communicating with trees
(10-09-2013, 12:13 PM)thokling Wrote: Interesting thread so far.

I recall watching an episode of In Search Of... regarding how plants receive "stress" from other beings, like live shrimp being dumped, the timing of which was arbitrarily decided by a random number generator while no one was around, in a pot of boiling water and a meter hooked up to a plant that went wild upon the deaths of the shrimp.
Translation from "tree" :
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10-10-2013, 06:07 AM,
#11
RE: Communicating with trees
(10-09-2013, 12:13 PM)thokling Wrote: Interesting thread so far.

I recall watching an episode of In Search Of... regarding how plants receive "stress" from other beings, like live shrimp being dumped, the timing of which was arbitrarily decided by a random number generator while no one was around, in a pot of boiling water and a meter hooked up to a plant that went wild upon the deaths of the shrimp. It's pretty darned clear that plants are able to communicate, and it's not a far stretch that if they can communicate with one another, and with animals who can tune in, or are tuned in, to the right channel, that they'd act as a relay system of sorts.

If quantum entanglement were part of the picture, this communication would be nearly, if not completely, instantaneous.

With regards to your discussion with the productive-sounding strawberry patch, Watchdog, I gather it wasn't necessarily a communication of words between you two. Would you be so kind as to describe the method of communication more from your own perspective?

Ok brother,

What I do is:

1) let go of logic and rational thinking
2) open myself to novelty and surprise
3) listen to what messages enter my being
4) try my best to make the difference between my own ego internal bla bla bla and what i'm trying to understand (or overstand)
5) doubt
6) weed out the doubt and go back to what is pure novelty and new ideas
7) translate all that with my rational thinking in a linear language ( this is key)
8) go with the flow and materialise in the physical world what I just got from the communication flow
9) learn from that in real time and adjust.

I hope this helps. Words fail me.
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10-17-2013, 06:51 AM,
#12
RE: Communicating with trees
I think to anyone nature enthusiast it should be apparent that the world is a vast connected, communicating, living thing, everything from plants to the simplest insects communicate and act accordingly, isn't evolution really just all forms of life sharing information on what role each other has to play.

A bird eats the leftover food from between a gators teeth and both are beneficial, there communicating on some level, a plants enviroment changes after thousands of years but it evolves because every bit of matter is learning and communicating with the next basically telling that plant how it must modify it's genetics to adapt.

Communication between electrons has even been discovered so I see know reason a tree can't on some level communicate, that being said I think humans have fallen out of sync with the nature chain and we no longer posses the ability on a molecular level to really communicate with nature, tell it what we need from it and play our role in helping it, we have become an enemy to our planet and on some level it's gonna cleanse some of our destruction away whether or not that kills humans in the process.

I can't say you can't communicate with trees because on some level I believe people can, I do think if any of the images in your head were related to the tree it could be explained by your contact to the tree for an extended period of time and allowing your mind to go blank almost like you would during meditation which can create some powerful imagery in your head.
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10-17-2013, 06:15 PM,
#13
RE: Communicating with trees
(10-10-2013, 06:07 AM)Watchdog Wrote: I hope this helps. Words fail me.

Dunno. All information has potential use. Much obliged!
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