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Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
05-24-2013, 12:35 PM,
#61
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Insightful considerations.

tl;dr - I pulled together a bunch of stuff into one cohesive thought expressing my dismay towards the people and bringing in any arms to Washington, D.C..

My participation on this forum and others is limited. It, concen, has a wide variety of fringe material that seem to attempt the unknown. I appreciate this and the opinions derived; however, my beliefs resemble those opinions but do not duplicate them nor integrate with them. I gratify yours with contemplation and would respect likewise.

With this aside, I will follow through my observations.

From the few clips I've seen of and heard from Adam Kokesh, I have no problems with his desire to help his country. It seems more of an attempt to save the country rather more distinct. He reads the law and interprets it to what seems best. That is what this demonstration appears to me.

Now, emotional response of confusion to frustration through anger ends with faith. I have no faith within the people of the United States, not these people: the ignorant; the lazy; the disillusioned; those individuals that make false interpretation that they are part of the People. These people are not any part of the People. The People designates an understanding that each Person requires a cognizant attention to the way of government. It is a designation of the civic virtue that was supported and displayed through historical context, no matter the slant - the bias of influence. It is defined through the willful consent of the Person. The People understand their consent and give it or hold it.

When does consent begin? Is it at birth? Is it attending the first day in public school? Is it registering to vote?

It can be these conditions and more, but, succinctly, it is the condition of recognized consent. What is meant by "recognized consent" is the Person's observance that consent is necessary. Without the denial of consent, the state of consent is actual.

Can consent be retracted? Yes.

When can consent be retracted? At the very moment that consent is recognized.

This is how government operates. Or, how it operated. The people find it unnecessary to study for the briefest period about simple government mechanics. These individuals will shout in the streets when they are personally discorporated of Rights to their lives, to their liberty, or to their pursuit of happiness, but, when the elected as, the appointed to, and the officers of government abuse government, the people are mute, impotent, and worthless. The common idiom being that such actions result in no abuse on the People is why the people are in their position.

The people had been confused, were frustrated, and now are angry. The people put faith into the familiar system of things without the necessary understanding about their consent. They still do not recognize the condition of consent. Whether this is willful ignorance, desired laziness, or coerced disillusionment does not release them from the condition of consent. When they recognize that consent is necessary, then will they make a difference.

I have not organized rallies like Adam Kokesh. I have not participated in protests as an adult. I am a registered voter. Does this mean I give my consent to government? Yes. Does it mean I give my consent to the elected as, appointed to, or officers of government? No. I have no faith in any Person or individual above Myself to decide for Me. I am a Person and an individual. I am ignorant of the current events happening in government and life. I am lazy to work for what I want. I am disillusioned about the way things should be. I am an individual; however, I am a Person. I recognize consent. I understand how it operates. I have faith in the United States and in the United States of America, and this is why government has My consent.

Any armed march into the District of Columbia, Washington, is an invasion by another State. This is much like Rome forbidding generals from bringing their armies over the Rubicon. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution for the United States of America clearly states: "The Congress shall have Power...To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and...To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers, vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States."

Any Person willing to read can clearly see that this proposed demonstration likens to the State of South Carolina invading Fort Sumter. Is it really better to take up arms and to invade the federal State? The second Amendment to the Constitution was designed for a Person to protect his or her home from unwarranted abuse by the State. It was not a means for the People to assert their own abuse on government.

Whoever is pushing this event wants to see armed conflict. What can I do about it? Just this. What else can I do? I could counter the demonstration; but isn't this analogous to such? What needs to happen is someone recognized as one of the Government to expose themselves and the constructed nature of this demonstration. This is really just mad science. Rofl

I know there will be disagreements with the statements I have made. Whether it is because I am so disheartened with the people, I did label myself an individual, or if it is because I don't agree with marching into the District with arms, I made it clear that such a development would be an invasion, disagreeing does not rebut the truth about consent. Whatever contradictions that may be sought and found were intentional; hence, not contradictory.

Thank you for reading.
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05-24-2013, 08:48 PM,
#62
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
@Psilocide

The Person is born free and should remain a free being owing recognition and respect towards Creation, however the CORPORATION of this Person is not free, and bows down to the laws and systems that humans created.

Most people are actors living as the CORPORTION of themselves and forgot about "being" a Person; a Human being.

Glad to know that you've identified yourself as a Person.

Smile
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-25-2013, 10:13 AM,
#63
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-24-2013, 12:35 PM)psilocide Wrote: [...]
I am a registered voter. Does this mean I give my consent to government? Yes. Does it mean I give my consent to the elected as, appointed to, or officers of government? No. I have no faith in any Person or individual above Myself to decide for Me. I am a Person and an individual. I am ignorant of the current events happening in government and life. I am lazy to work for what I want. I am disillusioned about the way things should be. I am an individual; however, I am a Person. I recognize consent. I understand how it operates. I have faith in the United States and in the United States of America, and this is why government has My consent.
[...]

Have you read Lysander Spooner's No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority (especially section II)?
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05-25-2013, 02:50 PM,
#64
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Adam Kokesh Released, Felony Charges Reduced to Citations

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=43939
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05-25-2013, 05:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-25-2013, 05:12 PM by capnchronic.)
#65
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
I haven't seen this posted, apologies if it was, but Mike Rivero, (someone that I'm very skeptical of to say the least), has put out a petition against the march, which at least as of now, seems to be somewhat of a failure compared to the support of the actual march.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/240803
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05-27-2013, 02:24 AM,
#66
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th


Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-27-2013, 07:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-27-2013, 07:38 AM by fujiinn.)
#67
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Just some points from the video:
- 100 million of people with guns required to outnumber the police
- Julian Assange and Bradley Manning are actors and Assange wouldn't have the ability to hide in the UK
- Adam Kokesh is a rich Jew and getting richer off idiocy
- TPTB want to instigate people so they can enact marital law
- these things don't happen, people are not that courageous
- we're sick of hoaxes, we want real action, real leaders
- most of TSA were sexual predators that went to prison for years

Breathe!
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05-27-2013, 12:52 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-27-2013, 12:54 PM by Andrej75.)
#68
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Sunday, May 26, 2013
Adam Kokesh - Deep cover government operative

They need to get the guns, this year, and this armed march on the capitol is a perfect setup to achieve just such a thing. Anyone advocating armed revolt is a long-term-covert using you to create fascist laws. Refrain from being a PATSY!.
Posted by Juicing and Raw Foods Sunboy

Labels: adam kokesh, government operative, LTC

http://dailymessenger.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-deep-cover-government.html

Adam Kokesh EXPOSED - Works for 'Organizing for Action' / 'Obama for America' - DO NOT ATTEND MARCH
http://youtu.be/uCdADfVF6dI
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05-27-2013, 01:05 PM,
#69
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(05-27-2013, 07:37 AM)fujiinn Wrote: Breathe!

I often wonder how people like that are able to cook food and bathe without assistance.
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05-28-2013, 01:52 PM,
#70
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Here is a different video of Kokesh being arrested.

He is indeed resisting arrest.

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05-28-2013, 03:09 PM,
#71
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-28-2013, 01:52 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: Here is a different video of Kokesh being arrested.

He is indeed resisting arrest.

And you can be 100% sure that it's not stage, that he is resisting, and that it's not part of his publicity marketing stunt, just by looking at a video?

So, in your mind he wasn't expecting to be arrested and he fought the police and did all he could as to NOT be arrested and detained?

Hmmm...
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-28-2013, 04:55 PM,
#72
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-28-2013, 03:09 PM)Watchdog Wrote:
(05-28-2013, 01:52 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: Here is a different video of Kokesh being arrested.

He is indeed resisting arrest.

And you can be 100% sure that it's not stage, that he is resisting, and that it's not part of his publicity marketing stunt, just by looking at a video?

So, in your mind he wasn't expecting to be arrested and he fought the police and did all he could as to NOT be arrested and detained?

Hmmm...

A staged act and the intent of having a publicity stunt arrest are not necessarily mutually inclusive.
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05-28-2013, 05:49 PM,
#73
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-28-2013, 03:09 PM)Watchdog Wrote: And you can be 100% sure that it's not stage,

Nope. I'm saying that according to the criminal standards currently in place, the charge of "resisting arrest" will stick because Kokesh pulled his hand away from the Agent.

Juries are full of discontented, bitter Grannies who think *everyone* should be in jail. If Kokesh goes before them, I think he will be convicted.

Your hyper-paranoia really is becoming tiresome.
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05-28-2013, 07:35 PM,
#74
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-28-2013, 05:49 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(05-28-2013, 03:09 PM)Watchdog Wrote: And you can be 100% sure that it's not stage,

Nope. I'm saying that according to the criminal standards currently in place, the charge of "resisting arrest" will stick because Kokesh pulled his hand away from the Agent.

Juries are full of discontented, bitter Grannies who think *everyone* should be in jail. If Kokesh goes before them, I think he will be convicted.

Your hyper-paranoia really is becoming tiresome.

If you say so...Bored
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-29-2013, 07:45 AM,
#75
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
The only problem is why he was arrested in the first place? For resisting arrest?
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