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Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
05-20-2013, 09:02 PM,
#46
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Well... Kokesh has been charged with a felony assault of a federal officer, and being held without bail.

He appears again in court this Thursday.

No good my friends. Umm
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05-20-2013, 11:38 PM,
#47
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-20-2013, 06:45 PM)SiLVa Wrote: I find myself having to correct things people hear on Alex Jones sometimes and defending his antics when he does something stupid.

Same here. I don't recommend nor give Jones content to my circle of friends and family because it's too over-the-top.

I do meet LOTS of rednecks and blue-collar folk who are no longer Republican NeoCon Warmongers because of listening to Jones. I mean *every time* I go out traveling I meet them.

I know those guys. I used to hang out with them at motorcycle rallies. The change is amazing. Ten years ago they were nothing but War War War War KILL KILL KILL Support the Troops. Now they are more circumspect and non-interventionist. Way more.

The won't read "faggy websites" or listen to "devil-worshipin shit" like Red Ice, but they will tune their stereo to Jones on satellite radio in their vehicle.
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05-21-2013, 01:57 AM,
#48
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-20-2013, 06:47 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(05-20-2013, 06:39 PM)Watchdog Wrote: And that's why I'm fed up of people pointing their fingers at "the elite"...

Jack Blood was talking about something similar this morning. He defined four classes of people:

A. People who are clueless/asleep and don't care.
B. People who think Republican/Democrat wingnuttery matters.
C. People who are awake and fighting.
D. People who are awake and don't care anymore.

He said people like Kokesh in group C. were better than people in group D.

I vacillate between C. and D.

If not caring equates to living your life and ignoring the government thugs (not paying taxes, etc) then probably the group D holds the key for freedom.
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05-21-2013, 04:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-21-2013, 04:20 PM by Watchdog.)
#49
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-21-2013, 01:57 AM)fujiinn Wrote:
(05-20-2013, 06:47 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(05-20-2013, 06:39 PM)Watchdog Wrote: And that's why I'm fed up of people pointing their fingers at "the elite"...

Jack Blood was talking about something similar this morning. He defined four classes of people:

A. People who are clueless/asleep and don't care.
B. People who think Republican/Democrat wingnuttery matters.
C. People who are awake and fighting.
D. People who are awake and don't care anymore.

He said people like Kokesh in group C. were better than people in group D.

I vacillate between C. and D.

If not caring equates to living your life and ignoring the government thugs (not paying taxes, etc) then probably the group D holds the key for freedom.

Well. I guess I'm E.

E. Awake, don't care about those sleeping anymore or directly saving them, but care about making myself better to find out what happens when a human is "being", and becomes mature.

I don't have any role models around me, so I decided to become one for myself. I know it sounds strange and a bit narcissistic, but I'm really curious in knowing what I'll become if I go all the way and give it all my best... No just theortically, but pratically without fear. No religion, no science, no mental programs, nothing but "being".

Thus far, I feel as if the more I swim against the current the cleaner the water becomes, and the cleaner the water the clearer the thoughts. The clearer the thoughts the better the actions, etc.

IMO, becoming the best human "being" is the strongest weapon we have in winning the war against evil. Hate and fear is what feeds evil. So Alex Jones and Adam Kokesh are tools that don't fight the NWO, they ARE the NWO !!!
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-21-2013, 06:01 PM,
#50
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-21-2013, 04:17 PM)Watchdog Wrote: So Alex Jones and Adam Kokesh are tools that don't fight the NWO, they ARE the NWO !!!

Really?
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05-21-2013, 07:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-21-2013, 07:39 PM by Watchdog.)
#51
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-21-2013, 06:01 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(05-21-2013, 04:17 PM)Watchdog Wrote: So Alex Jones and Adam Kokesh are tools that don't fight the NWO, they ARE the NWO !!!

Really?

Well the way I see it is that they are both participating in giving the system the energy it needs to create and/or reinforce it's power structure. Fear mongering is essential for the NWO to maintain humans in a constant stress hormonal state (neurochemical responses in the brain). In such states humans react in predictable ways and can easily be directed like actors in a play.

Alex plays his role very well and has created many "fear junkies" who are stuck in their mental programming. They need to change their emotions to become free beings.

Kokesh is like the dog that rounds up the sheep for the shepherd. "Follow me follow me I'll save you!" And meanwhile the sheep are turning around in circles, or being directed into a special pens for head counting, while the shepherd watches from afar, thinking "now that's a good dog".

As such, those who participate in such manners ARE PART OF THE NWO. Do go thinking that only a special group of hidden people represent the NWO; the NWO is the everyday people who sustain or co-create the agenda without even knowing what they are doing.

IMO, the system feeds off specific types of energy and grow more subsystems, making it all more powerful. However, some types of energies can destroy the system, but very few people in the "truth movement" seem to be taking about that, especially the leaders which I suspect are either tools (involuntarily shills) or those on the payroll.

If you listen to Alex or follow Kokesh in the streets with a loaded gun, you're a sheep being manipulated by the dog and will not help save yourself or your fellows. It make seem to you and the sheeps running beside you that you going somewhere to become free, but not and that is the great illusion.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-21-2013, 07:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-21-2013, 10:14 PM by temp9.)
#52
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Something about Kokesh doesn't sit right with me. Be that as it may, I've got kind of a bad feeling about this armed march business. Way too many possibilities for something/anything to go wrong. And if it goes wrong, it could go very wrong. We're talking even more (pardon the expression) ammunition for the anti-gun crowd. Magnitudes of order more ammunition.

Also, I think we all know that there are many out there who think we should be involved in a shooting war with TPTB. This event (if it takes place) is loaded with opportunities for those people to start what they think they want. I'm not even talking about State sponsored provocateurs here, but those should be taken into account at least as much.

I'm not diggin' the whole idea right about now.
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05-21-2013, 09:09 PM,
#53
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-21-2013, 07:34 PM)Watchdog Wrote: Well the way I see it is that they are both participating in giving the system the energy it needs to create and/or reinforce it's power structure.

Ah. They are just like CNNBCABCFOX, promoting war, promoting taxes, promoting submission to the system, and people would be much better off if Kokesh and Jones didn't exist because they don't prompt anyone to question the system. I understand.
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05-21-2013, 11:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-21-2013, 11:46 PM by ToddTraf.)
#54
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
If he gets convicted of a felony there will be no armed march for him. I was suprised they didn't get him on the drug charge they set him up for when the Park police slipped something in his back pocket as he was arrested. I don't think Kokesh is NWO anything. They seem to be doing alot to stop him.
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05-22-2013, 05:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2013, 05:56 AM by fujiinn.)
#55
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-21-2013, 11:44 PM)ToddTraf Wrote: If he gets convicted of a felony there will be no armed march for him. I was suprised they didn't get him on the drug charge they set him up for when the Park police slipped something in his back pocket as he was arrested. I don't think Kokesh is NWO anything. They seem to be doing alot to stop him.

If you mean the video of the arrest that shows the mysterious hand going under Adam's coat, it belonged to the guy that was being arrested with Adam. If he's a government agent, that's another story. He posted a 15 min. video on youtube explaining what happened but I got bored after the first 5 and skipped it.

@Watchdog: I think it was you who said "don't throw the baby with the bathwater" (in a Bill Cooper is dishonest context). The solve a problem you must first know there's a problem and why you should fix it. While people calling themselves "government" are not necessarily a problem, the huge part of the public that thinks it has an obligation to subject themselves to the control of "government" are. Without "the most dangerous superstition", or the belief in authority, as Larken Rose puts it, all these ills will be dampened by orders of magnitude. AJ and Kokesh simply point out there's a problem, while promoting their own agenda, through propaganda. If you stay in the "authority" submission mode, you simply exchange the authority of TPTB with those of the "truth movement", without actually addressing the problem. So they are useful for showing the public pieces of the puzzle, the rest should be left for the public to figure out on their own. You can't really teach someone to think since that requires the pupil to be able to think beforehand. That's why I think Larken Rose did a wonderful job of really showing the true root of evil, the belief that if you do what "authority" says you are moral and if you don't you're immoral. At least Kokesh offers solutions, so I would rate him much higher than AJ (I don't know if AJ offers any beyond the feel good of patriotism) -End of rant-
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05-22-2013, 06:29 AM,
#56
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-22-2013, 05:39 AM)fujiinn Wrote:
(05-21-2013, 11:44 PM)ToddTraf Wrote: If he gets convicted of a felony there will be no armed march for him. I was suprised they didn't get him on the drug charge they set him up for when the Park police slipped something in his back pocket as he was arrested. I don't think Kokesh is NWO anything. They seem to be doing alot to stop him.

If you mean the video of the arrest that shows the mysterious hand going under Adam's coat, it belonged to the guy that was being arrested with Adam. If he's a government agent, that's another story. He posted a 15 min. video on youtube explaining what happened but I got bored after the first 5 and skipped it.

@Watchdog: I think it was you who said "don't throw the baby with the bathwater" (in a Bill Cooper is dishonest context). The solve a problem you must first know there's a problem and why you should fix it. While people calling themselves "government" are not necessarily a problem, the huge part of the public that thinks it has an obligation to subject themselves to the control of "government" are. Without "the most dangerous superstition", or the belief in authority, as Larken Rose puts it, all these ills will be dampened by orders of magnitude. AJ and Kokesh simply point out there's a problem, while promoting their own agenda, through propaganda. If you stay in the "authority" submission mode, you simply exchange the authority of TPTB with those of the "truth movement", without actually addressing the problem. So they are useful for showing the public pieces of the puzzle, the rest should be left for the public to figure out on their own. You can't really teach someone to think since that requires the pupil to be able to think beforehand. That's why I think Larken Rose did a wonderful job of really showing the true root of evil, the belief that if you do what "authority" says you are moral and if you don't you're immoral. At least Kokesh offers solutions, so I would rate him much higher than AJ (I don't know if AJ offers any beyond the feel good of patriotism) -End of rant-

Well, to understand that there is problem, first you have to acknowledge that there is a problem issue. Once you acknowledge, you understand it, Implement or take step plans to fix it and then take action. But before any solving can be done, you have to acknowledge that there is a problem first. If you do not acknowledge it, than most likely there is no problem or things just keep on going the way there are until masses of people acknowledge that there is a problem, by then it will be boiling head water and people will demand revolutionary action...
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

Revolution is for the love of your people, culture, knowledge, wisdom, spirit, and peace. Not Greed!
Soul Rebel Native Son


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=277...enous&hl=en
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05-22-2013, 10:34 AM,
#57
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-22-2013, 06:29 AM)mexika Wrote: Well, to understand that there is problem, first you have to acknowledge that there is a problem issue. Once you acknowledge, you understand it, Implement or take step plans to fix it and then take action. But before any solving can be done, you have to acknowledge that there is a problem first. If you do not acknowledge it, than most likely there is no problem or things just keep on going the way there are until masses of people acknowledge that there is a problem, by then it will be boiling head water and people will demand revolutionary action...

That's basically what I've said. AJ and AK are pointing out to ordinary people a high level cause for the effects they are experiencing in their own, otherwise normal, life. They are useful at least in this regard. On the other hand if people are stuck in the Messiah mode, waiting for the likes of AK and AJ to fix it all, no change for the better will occur.
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05-22-2013, 04:06 PM,
#58
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Sure, we shouldn't through the baby with the bath water and AK and AJ may have a certain utility for some.

And yes, the danger is to get stuck at the first step (being aware of a problem). But I still think that they are intentional or unintentional (doesn't matter) gatekeepers useful to the system, pointing at the smoke but not the fire, sort to speak. At the same time I overstand that all this is relative to one's recognition of the forces at hand (we're not seeing the same issues), the capacity of people to move on to the next step, and find solutions to the problem on their own; because very few out there are giving us good solutions. Because of the relativity issue, what some call solutions I see as problems. That's all.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-22-2013, 05:04 PM,
#59
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
Watchdog, can you tell me why your above post reminds me of THIS ?
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05-22-2013, 07:48 PM,
#60
RE: Adam Kokesh Plans an Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th
(05-22-2013, 05:04 PM)JFK Wrote: Watchdog, can you tell me why your above post reminds me of THIS ?

I guess you've already figured out the problem we get into when replacing our own judgment with that of "so called experts", and we're not the only ones who knows this...

Short but telling video! Thanks for sharing that.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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