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AGENDA: Grinding America Down
04-29-2013, 12:44 AM,
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AGENDA: Grinding America Down
http://vimeo.com/63749370

wish I could embed this. Undecided
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04-29-2013, 12:49 AM,
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
Looks interesting. Thanks.
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04-29-2013, 02:18 AM,
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
EDIT: okay nevermind. I tried to embed it for you but looks like Vimeo has a block of some kind. I guess thats why you couldn't embed it to begin with.
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04-29-2013, 05:34 AM,
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
Wow, I can't believe I watched this.

So much crap, I don't even know where to start, so I won't.
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04-29-2013, 01:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-29-2013, 01:54 PM by JFK.)
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
(04-29-2013, 05:34 AM)psilocybin Wrote: Wow, I can't believe I watched this.

So much crap, I don't even know where to start, so I won't.

Why not start with what you feel is crap about the book titled "The Naked Communist" by Cleon Skouson, a former FBI agent at that time in 1958 which details life in America today ?

Or is it that you just don't read ?
Edit to add - It DOES have pictures. Wink
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04-29-2013, 03:06 PM,
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Current Communist Goals
The Naked Communist : pages 401-407 Wrote:Current Communist Goals
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the
world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis.

30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
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04-29-2013, 08:50 PM,
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

This H append to Native People and are still happening with native people and even other people. But the true signs were there already when the system took away natives away from parents to destroy culture. NOW, its coming to hunt those in the future. An injustice to some, will become an injustice to those who think its justified...
Unite The Many, defeat the few.

Revolution is for the love of your people, culture, knowledge, wisdom, spirit, and peace. Not Greed!
Soul Rebel Native Son


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04-30-2013, 05:55 AM,
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RE: Current Communist Goals
(04-29-2013, 03:06 PM)JFK Wrote:
The Naked Communist : pages 401-407 Wrote:Current Communist Goals
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the
world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis.

30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

I read somewhere that those goals weren't even in the first edition of the book. Any ways, it reeks of misdirection to me.

Communism as a philosophy does not jive with all of this; however, this would be the kind of thing I could see the power brokers buying into heavily.

It also needs to be mentioned that Cleon Skousen wasn't a communist. He was a member of the JBS, so I think he was trying to dig deeper than just communism.

Although, I know that these things have been perpetrated, this movie just has the wrong take on it.

This right wing religo shit has got to stop, and the anti-gay vibe is just sad.

I don't care how close this fucking movie gets to anything. It comes from the wrong place.
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04-30-2013, 07:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-30-2013, 07:46 PM by CharliePrime.)
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RE: Current Communist Goals
(04-30-2013, 05:55 AM)psilocybin Wrote: Communism as a philosophy does not jive with all of this

Of course it does. The elite Banksters funded the creation and spread of Communism because they knew it was a highly effective way of returning the world to the feudalism they once enjoyed.

The free markets and individual sovereignty Americans once had was a huge roadblock to their plan. That is why they destroyed both.

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A torrent of this is available on Pirate Bay...

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5787223/Agenda_-_Grinding_America_Down
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04-30-2013, 08:19 PM,
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
Communism as a philosophy doesnt jive with actual reality. And I dont think it was ever meant to.
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05-01-2013, 01:18 AM,
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RE: Current Communist Goals
(04-30-2013, 05:55 AM)psilocybin Wrote: I don't care how close this fucking movie gets to anything. It comes from the wrong place.

I've got to say that I agree with Psilocybin. While there were many elements of this documentary that I agreed with, and many things that I thought were important to hear, in the end it seemed to me to be about pitting one binary against another. That's not a reflection of reality. If we buy into the 'left v. right' mentality then we buy into 'us v. them', we buy into a frame of mind that paves the way for divide and conquer.

Where this video lost me (beyond it's rather schlocky presentation...taking small, controlled snippets of dialogue from figures that I would want to hear much more from; framing the conversation with emotional music and cuts to emotionally manipulating images, etc...) was where it decided to single out a perceived collective 'the left' and call it 'enemy'.

I was bothered by the film as someone who has as much skepticism and reluctance about 'the man' and the ruling elite as many on the 'right' side of things but who also proudly carries many leftist values and lines of thought. I don't want to hate on 'the left' or 'the right', I just want decency, care, reason and empathy to rule the day over greediness, self-aggrandizing and shallowness.

In any case, I think that being exposed to the ideas presented in this film are important for all to hear, and that to develop an informed decision one needs to hear from a range of perspectives and for that I thank JFK for the post and I appreciate the offering. I learned not only some things about a valid perspective on the world but a little about myself.
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05-01-2013, 02:38 AM,
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RE: Current Communist Goals
(05-01-2013, 01:18 AM)stanzela Wrote: I don't want to hate on 'the left' or 'the right', I just want decency, care, reason and empathy to rule the day over greediness, self-aggrandizing and shallowness.

That's a good sentiment, but we have to call 'the left' something. Communism? Collectivism? It's hard to say.

I agree. This video was schlocky Christian propaganda, but the enemy it portrayed is real.

With some work, I could make a pretty good case that thinking of people as collectives to be managed from above (communism) rather than individuals responsible for their own actions originates from the Jewish/Christian biblical ideology wherein men inherit the guilt/sin of their fathers (Adam) and neighbors.
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05-01-2013, 04:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2013, 04:27 AM by Watchdog.)
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RE: AGENDA: Grinding America Down
In 4-5 weeks I'm going on a road trip. I plan on traveling from east to west Canada in time for the International Rainbow Gathering in BC. After that, going south in the US (I have dual citizenship, since I was born in USA from Canadian parents). Will check out the west coast and will see what happens next?!

Thing is, I shall not bring fear or succumb to fear while traveling.

Going from virtual concepts to concrete reality
Putting behind prejudices and looking forward
Sleeping in the forest and laughing with strangers
Playing guitar blowing in a didgeridoo
Giving freely without expectations
Receiving freely without guilt
Reclaiming the present moment and being
Being free and open to all great things that life brings
Perhaps we’ll meet face to face
And claim our right to be our best
Give me a reason and I shall visit thy nest

My point? I don't care about the grinding down america... I bring peace, love and light, and know I'll find it there too, no matter all the doom and gloom being pushed in our faces. Good people are everywhere. See you soon beautiful people in America.

I shall light a candle in broad daylight, for those that cannot find their way out of the darkness.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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