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Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
03-07-2013, 07:38 PM,
Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations

03-07-2013, 08:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2013, 08:53 PM by Swordfish.)
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Let me save you all some time.
Im at 10 mins of ist vid and its consisted of some nonentity reading and quoting selectively from Bill Coopers book in a very cynical and patronising voice and then showing you bits hes highlighted in yellow highlighter pen
oh and hes rather proud of telling you the page numbers.
Unfortunately thats about it.

Nothing to see here folks ...move along and use your time more productively
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
03-07-2013, 10:06 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
I didnt bother but thanks for the heads up.
Its easy to take things out of context in a body of work to try to criticize and Cooper is an easy target if you dont take into account that he admitted mistakes in his writing years after the books were published.
One thing that these sleazy shills do not do is show how many times Cooper was actually right about something. 9/11, OKC bombing, and school shootings being used to curb Gun control are just a few of the many things he did discuss that were 100% accurate. And most of all, he never claimed to be right all the time. He always advised people to research and prove him wrong, unlike others who claim to have done all the research already and expect you to believe them without questioning their credibility.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

03-07-2013, 10:23 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Mark Dice is definitely not working for honesty or truth. He's shown this in everything I've seen of his. What a pathetic excuse for a sentient being.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
03-08-2013, 01:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-08-2013, 02:28 AM by macfadden.)
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
It doesn't matter who Mark Dice is or what his agenda may be. I think Mark Dice, in general, is a total imbecile. Nevertheless, his criticisms of Cooper are fairly well reasoned, fact based, and valid. Cooper was a delusional right-wing crazy and most of his claims were entirely fraudulent.

Quote:William Cooper is a nut and a fraud. Details

William Cooper Exposed
Excerpt from The Illuminati: Facts & Fiction
by Mark Dice

Milton William Cooper, known as William or Bill Cooper was an author and radio host who discussed the Illuminati, the New World Order, and UFOs. He claimed that he had a Top Secret, Q security clearance, Sensitive Compartmentaliz..ed Information with access authorized on a strict need-to-know basis.(#142) While supposedly working for Naval Intelligence, he claimed to have seen classified documents regarding the JFK assassination, UFOs, and the New World Order. Cooper was shot and killed on November 5, 2001 by a sheriff who was serving an arrest warrant at his Arizona home after Cooper allegedly tried to resist arrest and shot an officer in the head. He was 58 years old. Police and neighbors say Cooper had threatened a man with a gun for trespassing on his property, and a warrant was issued for his arrest. The circumstances surrounding his death remain the topic of debate and will be discussed at the end of this section. Many of Cooper’s fans believe he was assassinated to stop him from continuing to discuss the information he claimed to have learned while in the Navy.

William Cooper is best known for this 1991 book Behold a Pale Horse, which discusses various aspects of the New World Order and contains his many claims to have seen classified government documents while in the Navy. The title is from the Bible’s Book of Revelation chapter 6 verse 8, “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

In the forward to Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper recounts his time in the Navy and begins by explaining that he and his fellow ship mates had seen several UFOs rise up from the ocean and disappear into the clouds. He insists that the Navy’s sonar had also detected these objects.(#143) He explains that a superior officer then made him sign an agreement that he was not to discuss the event with anyone, including the other witnesses. Throughout his book are included various photos of Cooper while in uniform and on a patrol boat to show that he was actually in the Navy. He even includes his service record in the back of his book, in an attempt to give credibility to his claims, although these documents make no reference to him having any Top Secret security clearance.

Cooper explains that when he was registering for the Navy a questionnaire asked if the applicant had been a member of any fraternal organizations, and that he circled the DeMolay society, since he said he was a member as a child.(#144) The DeMolay society is basically a branch of Freemasonry for children of Masons. He says that this selection made him a viable candidate to become promoted into the inner circle of Naval Intelligence, since all people in that division were involved with Freemasonry.

At this point he claims to have been given another security clearance in the crypto category and served as the designated SPECAT operator. It was then that he writes he learned the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that the Secret Service agent driving the limo had shot Kennedy in the head.(#145) This odd theory isn’t even considered credible by the least objective JFK assassination conspiracy theorists, and such an idea ignores the fact that nobody reported hearing a gunshot from the limo (or seeing the driver with a gun), which was just a few feet away from the crowd.

Throughout his book he continues to make repeated references to “the Top Secret documents” he saw when working in the Navy and how they pertain to the New World Order.

I will continue to list his far-fetched claims in a minute, but it first must be said that it is extremely suspicious that Cooper casually mentions “Top Secret documents he had seen” as if they were just laying out on someone’s desk and he happened to spot them and had a chance to actually read through them. There are millions and millions of pages of classified material which fill countless filing cabinets which are extremely difficult to access, yet Cooper claims he simply “came across” various documents which discuss material referencing the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg group, and the New World Order.

In his book, he published a text allegedly from a document titled “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars” which he says was a Top Secret document that was discovered on July 7, 1986 in a photo copier that had been purchased at a military surplus sale, suggesting someone in the military had accidentally left the original in the machine after making photo copies.

The “document” contains information supposedly on how the government can control the world’s resources, finances, and information, in order to further their goals of constructing the New World Order. It reads like a poorly written hoax. In the text of this supposed Top Secret document obtained by Cooper, it continuously refers to “the elite” and their diabolical plans. It also mentions the Bilderberg group and Rothschild’s control of the banking system. The whole thing reads like a pathetic regurgitation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (See Protocols of Elders of Zion page 146)

Cooper also reported that to mark the year 2000, the Illuminati would use the Galileo space craft to detonate 49.7 pounds of plutonium as it reached the planet Jupiter, which would cause a nuclear reaction turning the planet into another sun. He said that this new star would be called Lucifer and would be cited as a miracle or a sign that the Antichrist was a god and the messiah had appeared. This, all according to Top Secret documents he claimed to have read in the Navy concerning Project Galileo.(#146) Cooper’s book was published in 1991, giving him a full nine years to make such claims and collect the profits from his sales. He added that the Spear of Destiny, which is said to be the spear that was used to pierce to side of Jesus as he hung on the cross, and other ancient relics believed to be lost to history would be united and give the world leader supernatural powers.(#147)

When describing the various secret societies that are involved in creating the New World Order, Cooper included the Skull and Bones society at Yale University, and the Scroll and Key society, but incorrectly stated that Scroll and Key was a secret society at Harvard,(#148) when in reality it is also at Yale in Connecticut, the same residence of Skull and Bones.

Eight years before Cooper had published Behold a Pale Horse, Antony Sutton had released American’s Secret Establishment, which had exposed for the first time, the activities of the Skull and Bones society. (See America’s Secret Establishment page 85) Cooper was well aware of the book, and included it in his references page, so any idea that he learned of Skull and Bones while working in Naval Intelligence can be easily dismissed.

Cooper states, “Top Secret documents that I read while with Naval Intelligence stated that President Eisenhower had commissioned the JASON Society to examine all evidence, facts, likes, and deception and find the truth of the alien question...”(#149) While not often mentioned in regards to the New World Order, the Jasons, or the Jason Society is a secret group of scientists and scholars who consult with the Department of Defense. Their existence was exposed to the public during the Vietnam War and was well known to all anti-war activists...(#150) So Cooper didn’t need to find a “Top Secret” document to learn about the group, and only needed to read the newspapers in the late 1960s and early 1970s when their activities were being discussed in the press.

Cooper also writes about the alleged Majestic Twelve (also called Majesty Twelve), a group some believe is a scientific branch within the military which deals with aliens. Again, Cooper claims this information was discovered from secret documents that he just happened to find. He wrote, “I read Top Secret documents while with Naval Intelligence that stated President Eisenhower had appointed six of the Executive Committee members of the CFR [Council on Foreign Relations] to sit on the panel called Majesty Twelve also known as Majority Twelve for security reasons. Majesty Twelve is the secret group that is supposed to control extraterrestria..l information and projects...”(#151)

Ideas surrounding Majestic Twelve had been circulating in UFO circles since 1984, and was not a new “discovery” by Cooper from “Top Secret” documents. Most in the UFO community did not take Cooper seriously, and he found the majority of his support from patriots and those against the New World Order.

Perhaps the most laughable and far fetched claim that can be added to the list is when he writes, “I read while in Naval Intelligence that at least once a year, maybe more, two nuclear submarines meet beneath the polar icecap and mate together at an airlock. Representatives.. of the Soviet Union meet with the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group,” where “The Russians are given the script for their next performance…Thi..s method of meeting is the only way that is safe from detection and/or bugging.”(#152)

So, according to Cooper, there is no secure room in the Pentagon that is safe from being bugged or anywhere else on the planet, so the Bilderberg group must meet in a submarine beneath the polar ice cap.

Aside from numerous fabrications and obvious false claims in his writings, you will find the occasional paranoid ranting including one where he writes using all capitol letters, “PATRIOTS MUST NOT BE AT HOME ON ANY NATIONAL HOLIDAY DURING THE DAY OR NIGHT EVER AGAIN UNTIL THE DANGER IS PAST. DISREGARD THIS WARNING AND YOU WILL FIND YOURELF IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP.”(#153)

Cooper claimed that he possessed photographs of a secret base located on the moon in the crater Copernicus...(#154) Also in Behold a Pale Horse he included pictures of what he said were UFOs and diagrams and photos of what he called alien reproduction vehicles.

When looking for a motive for his outlandish claims, one needs only to look at the words of Mr. Cooper himself. In the forward to his book he describes that after he was discharged from the Navy that “we were broke and homeless at that point.”(#155) He had tried to make money by selling audio tapes of his lectures, which apparently wasn’t making him any money, so he would later write and publish Behold a Pale Horse in 1991.

Also by Cooper’s own admission he had fabricated documents and information concerning UFOs and the New World Order and posted them on a BBS network called ParaNet (Paranormal Network). Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) were a precursor to the Internet and allowed people to access another person’s hard drive directly by using a modem. He fully admits that he fabricated information and posted it, but he claimed the only reason he did it was to throw the government off his trail by making them think that he was “a kook who didn’t really know anything...”(#156)

Cooper was exposed and the information he had posted was proven to be false, and so it makes sense that he mentioned this in his book as a way to try to explain why it was that it had been shown he had spread fraudulent information in the past and been caught. The Sysop (system operator) for ParaNet, Michael Corbin, had this to say about Cooper: “First, I don’t want to get into any protracted discussions about Bill Cooper. All I can say is that we, ParaNet, had a great deal of experience with Bill Cooper, up to and including ejecting him from the net for causing a variety of disruptions, not to mention strong attacks on other members of the net that were counter-..productive to intelligent discussion. Our organization has investigated Cooper to the max and can find no truth in anything he says except that he was in the Navy, but not in the capacity that he claims. The bottom line is that Bill Cooper just doesn’t hold water, so anything he says should be taken with a large block of salt and tongue planted firmly in cheek.”(#157)

Cooper had exposed nothing new in his book or in his lectures, and the information he claims to have read from Top Secret documents was nothing but a retelling of publicly known information that had been talked about in the anti-New World Order movement for decades. Actually, there is one exception in regards to no new information being published by Cooper, and that is the “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars” document he claimed to obtain from an old photo copier. The “document” is rarely cited as evidence by people researching the New World Order, and its authenticity is doubted by many. He says it was given to him by a man named Tom Young and that Cooper himself had “read Top Secret documents which explained that “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars” is the doctrine adopted by the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group during its first known meeting in 1954.”(#158)

While no researcher is going to be 100% accurate with the information they compile, or the conclusions they draw from it, the repeated inconsistencies.. in Cooper’s book and his claims to have “seen Top Secret documents” about various issues which were already public knowledge, combined with his own admission that he had written and published fraudulent information in the past, clearly prove that Cooper is an unreliable source, and a financially troubled hoaxer who was cashing in by mixing fact with fiction and presenting himself as a first hand witness.

There are a number of people who continue to believe that William Cooper is a heroic man who exposed the New World Order and was murdered to silence him. Many of these people perhaps have only read parts of Cooper’s book and haven’t seen the extent of the ridiculousness of his claims. Others who are aware of his wild tales and actually believe them prove their inability to discern facts from fiction.

The actual events surrounding Cooper’s death remain the topic of debate and speculation amongst his fans. On November 5th 2001, sheriff deputies lured Cooper from his home in rural Eager, Arizona at approximately 11pm by posing as ordinary citizens playing loud music in their vehicle on or near his property, causing him to come out and investigate. A warrant had been issued for his arrest for allegedly threatening a man named Dr. Scott Hamblin with a gun for either trespassing or loitering on or near his land. Police claim that when they tried to apprehend Cooper, he pulled out a hand gun and shot one deputy, resulting in another officer shooting and killing Cooper. People who knew Cooper personally have said that anyone who attempted to approach his home would be confronted at gunpoint and that over the last few years of his life he was growing increasingly paranoid and unstable. They also said that Cooper himself had said that he would never be taken alive after he failed to appear in court for charges that he refused to pay income taxes. Cooper’s neighbor and friend Glenn Jacobs was the editor of a small local paper called The Round Valley Paper, and wrote, “local police with a warrant for a couple of aggravated-..assault warrants (Bill was certainly guilty) went up in force to Bill Cooper’s house, letting on to be teenagers drinking and partying, with the radio turned up loud. Bill came out of his house and drove over to them, demanding that they get off of his mountain. Two officers jumped Bill in his car. Bill backed it up, shoved one officer out and shot the other one twice in the head with his forty-five, but did not inflict any life-..threatening wounds. Bill ran toward his house, whereupon the entire contingent gave Bill what he had been asking for— his martyrdom. This was not a federal ninja action, nor a rogue-cop riot. Bill had gone over to Dr. Scott Hamblin’s house and wagged a gun in his face, and seems to have done the same to another person as well. The officers wisely went prepared, as Bill had broadcast hundreds of times that he would not surrender and would kill anyone who came after him.”

Despite Glenn Jacobs and others in the Eager, Arizona community who were friends with Cooper and against the New World Order saying that Cooper had lost it and opened fire on the police first, many of Cooper’s fans believe he was purposefully murdered because he talked about 9/11 and the New World Order.

The Associated Press published an article the day after his death labeling Cooper a “national leader of the militia movement” and tried to tie him to Timothy McVeigh saying “McVeigh, who was executed in May for the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, listened to Cooper’s broadcasts for inspiration, according to testimony by James Nichols, brother of Oklahoma bombing co-defendant Terry Nichols during a 1996 pretrial hearing...”(#159)

While Cooper’s death is a tragedy and it’s slanderous to tie him to Timothy McVeigh, and many of the issues he discussed on his radio show and in his book are true, it is inexcusable that he fabricated tales of seeing Top Secret documents in an attempt to add credibility to his story and sell more books. His numerous claims to have personally seen Top Secret documents on a variety of issues and present himself as a whistleblower casts a dark cloud of doubt over his memory and his body of work since it leads people unfamiliar with such material to believe that some fictions are fact.

Criticizing Cooper is a sensitive issue since he is viewed as a martyr by many of his fans who are offended by anyone voicing doubts about his claims or credentials, and continue to believe that he was assassinated despite all the evidence to the contrary.

#142 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 26
#143 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 19-20
#144Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 26
#145 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 27
#146 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 72
#147 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 75
#148 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 81
#149 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 83
#150 Finkbeiner, Ann – The Jasons: The Secret History of Science’s Postwar Elite page 100
#151 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 85
#152 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 94
#153 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 178
#154 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 94
#155 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 33
#156 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 28
#157 http:../../
#158 Cooper, William – Behold a Pale Horse page 36
#159 Associated Press/The Arizona Republic Militia Leader Killed, Deputy Wounded During Attempted Arrest November 06, 2001
03-08-2013, 07:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-08-2013, 07:24 AM by macfadden.)
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Swordfish Wrote:Nothing to see here folks ...move along

Isn't that just the quintessence of conspiratardia. So dude, are you saying Bill Cooper wasn't batshit crazy? Now I see where you're coming from... lulz.
03-08-2013, 05:48 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
I'm sure Alex Jones is pleased as a pig in mud that Mark Dice 'exposed' Bill Cooper. wow...
"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981

03-08-2013, 05:50 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
oy vay, enough with the lulz already
Remember you are unique
...just like everyone else.
03-08-2013, 07:49 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-07-2013, 10:23 PM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Mark Dice is definitely not working for honesty or truth. He's shown this in everything I've seen of his. What a pathetic excuse for a sentient being.

I agree. If he was a bit more intelligent I'd *almost* suspect him of being a spook, especially after his regurgitated Georgia Guidestones ahem.... "expose" a few years back.
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03-08-2013, 08:33 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-08-2013, 01:51 AM)macfadden Wrote: Nevertheless, his criticisms of Cooper are fairly well reasoned, fact based, and valid.

Not well researched, not well reasoned. Not taken into context and mostly invalid, to be more specific.
Dice is doing what many others have tried to do in discrediting Cooper yet he omits way more information to the contrary. Im sure you can find some fallacy to look up that fits that description.

(03-08-2013, 01:51 AM)macfadden Wrote: Cooper was a delusional right-wing crazy and most of his claims were entirely fraudulent.
He did lean right, thats for sure but to call him delusional right-wing is just ignorant. Saying "most of his claims were entirely fraudulent" tells me you really do not know who you're talking about. Some of them were, and even Cooper himself admitted some things were wrong in context.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

03-08-2013, 08:46 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
William Cooper said himself on the air not to believe him without researching and verifying everything he said. And if he quoted something, he often said where he got the information from and how you can look it up yourself. If someone would call in with questionable information that could not be verified, Cooper would just hang up on the caller saying he doesn't deal with rumors and hearsay. It is what it is.
"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981

03-08-2013, 09:28 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-08-2013, 07:49 PM)JFK Wrote:
(03-07-2013, 10:23 PM)Easy Skanking Wrote: Mark Dice is definitely not working for honesty or truth. He's shown this in everything I've seen of his. What a pathetic excuse for a sentient being.

I agree. If he was a bit more intelligent I'd *almost* suspect him of being a spook, especially after his regurgitated Georgia Guidestones ahem.... "expose" a few years back.

I have had that though, too. I think the best word to describe him would be pseudo-intellectual.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
03-08-2013, 10:24 PM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-08-2013, 05:50 PM)Swordfish Wrote: oy vay, enough with the lulz already

That's what I'm saying... you guys just don't quit with the lulz.
03-09-2013, 12:43 AM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
William Cooper and Behold a Pail of Horse...
In the last few days I have had a number of people ask about or talk about the UFO research of Bill Cooper. He claimed that he had been part of a secret Navy briefing team and that he had inside information about how some of these clandestine organizations work. Eventually he wrote a book called Behold a Pale Horse, which some have embraced. Cooper was killed a number of years ago in a shoot out with Arizona sheriff’s deputies when he pulled a pistol on them.

Normally I would just ignore this because I found nothing in Cooper’s work worth repeating and found some of his conclusions to be flawed. He made leaps of logic, embraced the almost discredited MJ-12 documents, and rode off on many conspiracy tangents. He was as crazy as they come.

As just a single example of this craziness, Cooper believed that the real assassin of President Kennedy was the limousine driver. In Dealy Plaza, where there were, literally, hundreds of witnesses, Cooper said the driver turned in his seat and shot the president (Me at the precise location that Zapruter stood, the school depository and the famous grassy knoll). He said that if you watched the Zapruter film of the assassination carefully, you could see it happen.

I have and I didn’t.

It was also means that everyone else in the car was in on it or the driver would have had to shoot them all. If he didn’t, what motive would they have for remaining quiet once they were out of the car. This is a ridiculous notion, but one that Cooper held.

Almost everything he claimed about his military career was distorted. Oh, he served in the Navy but he was a low-ranking enlisted man. He did seem to have participated on a couple of briefing teams for high-ranking officials, but his role might have been little more than making sure the projectors worked, the ashtrays were empty and the room cleaned when the conference was over. He wasn’t brought in to talk about UFOs or other highly sensitive topics. He had neither the education nor the military experience.

Yes, I know the excuse will be that his records have been altered so that he couldn’t prove what he said. This is just a weak excuse to provide an answer for all those who didn’t believe him. The truth is that military records aren’t just a single file with everything in it. They cover a lot of ground from a lot of sources and it would be impossible to alter everything. There is just too much of it.

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that Cooper claimed he had attended a specific military school... maybe at the DIA, as part of his training. All that would be recorded in his 201 File, which, upon his leaving the military whether as a retiree or having been discharged at the end of this tour, would have been sent to the National Archives in St. Louis. Now that document, in a single place, would be easy to find and alter.

But, there would be records of his attendance at the DIA school. There would have been a certificate given to him at the completion of the course (I have lots of these from various military schools). Depending on the specific school, there might be rosters available. There would be records in his home unit. There might be base newspaper stories written by the Public Affairs Office about his participation or completion of the training. There are literally dozens of sources of documentation. But with Cooper none of that was available. His records simply did not reflect his various claims.

I have been through this before when a witness’s records do not match the story he or she is telling. The big fire in St. Louis destroyed them is a favorite excuse. They have been altered is another. Stolen is yet another... But the point is that multiple sources exist and records can be reconstituted. They can be reconstructed. And there are so many sources out there that they all can’t be altered, hidden or destroyed. The validation would be available... or rather enough would be to question the idea he was lying about his service.

There is nothing to support Cooper’s claims, other than he served in the Navy and was honorably discharged. There were many in the UFO community who wanted to believe him and many who tried to find evidence to support his claims. In the end, there was no where to go. The trail ended with Cooper and that just isn’t good enough.

As for his book, I suppose I should point out that inside the UFO community it is called "Behold a Pail of Horses..t." There just isn’t anything in it that can be confirmed and without validation we believe what he wrote at our own risk.

Our best move is to point out that Cooper was a wild man who could not prove what he claimed and let it go at that. He is but another footnote in the great UFO search.
03-09-2013, 01:00 AM,
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
He shot another human being in the face. No respect for this man.
There are no others, there is only us.

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