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Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
03-15-2013, 10:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-15-2013, 10:48 PM by macfadden.)
#31
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
SiLVa Wrote:But...
You really arent debunking anything.


Cooper debunks himself, I think we can all agree, or at least I hope we can that the things Cooper is saying in those old lectures are completely preposterous. I am saying that they weren't just the innocent "mistakes" of an honest man who was simply "misled" by a duplicitous cointel program as you would have us believe. The stories, if they did come from "the secret documents", were so far fetched that they would strain the credulity of even the most gullible simpleton, and I don't believe Cooper ever saw any secret files to begin with, Cooper is a liar.

SiLVa Wrote:You just copy and paste other peoples points


It doesn't matter where the information comes from or how it comes, all that matters is the validity. The piece by Mark Dice is particularly solid, it establishes that Cooper, by his own admission, has intentionally and deliberately manufactured bullshit stories and knowingly put forth fraudulent information. Cooper, by his own admission, was flat broke and trying to break into the "uFOOLogy" circuit, which Dice uses to establish motive, it's pretty solid.

Dice also questions the veracity of Cooper's claims to have been given access to "top secret documents" by the US military, which, according to Cooper, covered everything from the JFK assassination to secret treaties with outer space aliens. Cooper offers no proof whatsoever to back up this extremely dubious claim and then proceeds to build entire mountains of bullshit off this foundation.


SiLVa Wrote:which have already been addressed. Addressed a long time ago, I might add.

Cooper did back off some of the crazier bullshit but only because the hour of the time for the fulfillment of so many of the more ludicrous predictions he had made was rapidly approaching and Cooper knew it was time to change tack so he reinvented himself from a uFOOLogist to a patriotard. But he never did come clean and admit his bullshit, he would only say that he had been duped by counter intelligence, which was just more bullshit, more lies. Cooper wasn't setup or duped by any organization, Cooper knew the game perfectly well and Cooper knew better, the man was just a liar who went around telling the most outrageous and irresponsible lies imaginable.

Cooper also failed to retract his book which continued to be published and sold long after most of it had been proven to be little more than a pack of lies, not only did he fail to retract it but I have him fully endorsing it in a broadcast as late as 1998. I have him in a broadcast from 2000 still raving about majesty12 and "the secret files"

SiLVa Wrote:Copying and pasting other shills weak attempts to discredit Cooper that are trying to exploit old statements he made is not really debunking anything.

Well there you're just totally wrong, accurate factual information alone is what debunks conspiratard fiction and I have presented accurate factual information. I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time one of these lying conmen needs to be addressed, a copy and paste will do just fine.


SiLVa Wrote:Plus you seem to not know enough about the guys complete work to keep saying the same thing over and over again.


You haven't said anything at all except "Mark Dice is a shill and Cooper straitened it all out". Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

SiLVa Wrote:If you just dont like him that makes more sense and all but one would think you might want to familiarize yourself with his more recent stuff instead of delving back into the 1990s.

I have no irrational hatred of Cooper, I just know him to be a liar and kook who has done quite a bit of damage to the truth.
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03-16-2013, 09:08 AM,
#32
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-15-2013, 10:22 PM)macfadden Wrote: I have no irrational hatred of Cooper, I just know him to be a liar and kook who has done quite a bit of damage to the truth.
I doubt you knew him or anyone who did otherwise you'd know better.
I never really paid much attention to his UFO stuff because although interesting, it wasn't something that I could verify. Also I'm just not a believer in “aliens” in the Hollywood sense. I know he pissed a lot of people off back then too. But why focus on all the crap instead of what was true?
What damage did he do? Like there isn't a Mainstream Media doing a shit ton more damage every damn day?
Do you really think absolutely nothing Cooper talked about was true?
He lied about secret societies? Globalism? Oklahoma City? 9/11? People credit Jones with “predicting" 9/11 although Cooper aired his suspicions about an attack a month or two before Jones. You may not agree with me on that but give credit where credit is due.
Of course he's been wrong on calling such things as well but that's the point of doing your own research and verifying the info for yourself. The media is often wrong on some things and true to others. No one is always right or trust worthy enough for me.
No one but me is responsible for what truth I decide to believe in. I see sifting through the bullshit as par for the course at this stage in the game. I think the truths that Cooper did expose are valid enough for consideration.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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03-18-2013, 01:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-18-2013, 01:15 AM by macfadden.)
#33
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
SiLVa Wrote:I think the truths that Cooper did expose are valid enough for consideration.

Cooper did some good exposing the New Age bullshit, but he offset that by promoting the Judeo-Christian bullshit and hyping the Patriot bullshit. To his credit he never did advocate for the anarcho-freemarket bullshit but he constantly conflated an equitable society with totalitarian communism and he abused the holy fuck out of the threat of the proverbial camel's nose to the point of flagrant imbecility.
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03-19-2013, 08:17 PM,
#34
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Last night I listened to a show called Global Reality and the host presented some clips about Cooper recanting his thoughts about ET's, saying that he was given fake "secret" documents to several people, as to make them "leak" disinfo. He felt bad being tricked like a sucker, but came back to talk about "Project Blue-Beam" (the fake ET attacks to push in new weapons).

Anyway, listen to it here (Cooper stuff starts at approx 45 mins).


http://archive.org/details/BestOfTheGlobalReality5-22-9-ExtraterrestrialsBillCooperAudio
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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03-19-2013, 09:56 PM,
#35
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Watchdog Wrote:Cooper recanting his thoughts about ET's, saying that he was given fake "secret" documents to several people, as to make them "leak" disinfo.

Likely story...

Watchdog Wrote:He felt bad being tricked like a sucker, but came back to talk about "Project Blue-Beam" (the fake ET attacks to push in new weapons).

Cooper wasn't a victim of disinfo, Cooper was a bullshit artist who only felt bad because he couldn't get away with fear mongering the suckers any longer with the alien bullshit. No worries though, he just went to fear mongering the suckers with the fake alien bullshit.
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03-19-2013, 10:55 PM,
#36
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-19-2013, 09:56 PM)macfadden Wrote:
Watchdog Wrote:Cooper recanting his thoughts about ET's, saying that he was given fake "secret" documents to several people, as to make them "leak" disinfo.

Likely story...

Watchdog Wrote:He felt bad being tricked like a sucker, but came back to talk about "Project Blue-Beam" (the fake ET attacks to push in new weapons).

Cooper wasn't a victim of disinfo, Cooper was a bullshit artist who only felt bad because he couldn't get away with fear mongering the suckers any longer with the alien bullshit. No worries though, he just went to fear mongering the suckers with the fake alien bullshit.

So you don'T think it's possible that the military could use holograms to project fake images, such as aliens (project Bluebeam)?

I don't know, but it seems like a pretty good idea... I'd think about such stuff if I was looking for new ways to brainwash people in a collective way. It could be very useful to have people believe that they need "protection" from some fake threat.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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03-19-2013, 11:53 PM,
#37
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
The Blue Beam Project information originated first with Serge Monast. Serge mentioned it on Brother Stair's Overcomer Broadcast. Serge was an investigative journalist from Magog Quebec, Canada. There exists on VHS tape somewhere a video taped interview of Serge that to my knowledge has not seen the light of day on the web. Serge died not too long after revealing the information. He allegedly died of a heart attack.

If you listened to ANY of his broadcasts. Cooper has stated more than once not to believe him. And that YOU should research it yourself. I guess you didn't listen to any of his broadcasts, which seems to be the case. Cooper was not a bullshit artist.

Cooper's ideology was that he wanted this country restored back to a Constitutional Republic. Maybe back in the 1990's that was a worthy goal. But as we have seen with attempts with the "Tea Party" and the epic fail of the "Ron Paul Revolution" . Restoring this country (as we now see) is impossible though organizations and 'leaders'.

Cooper in his time thought and held out hope that the 'process' would work if enough people were woken up, he was mistaken as we have found out. Cooper had innovative ideas including an idea about buying stock in the major media so that our collective votes could sway or eventually control what was said on TV or radio. Cooper wasn't going to hold the stock himself, the listeners would hold the stock.

Cooper also started his own internet news service in 1995, it was a mail reflector with Majordomo. He also published his own newspaper called "Veritas". There was talk about starting a TV studio.

As far as aliens, yes Cooper was used and then came clean about it. He also called out the leading ufologists of the day as government agents and dis-info artists. Cooper has said that alien scenario could be used as a means to deceive the masses as an outside threat. Hell even Ronald Reagan used the alien card when he said that 'our little differences' would 'disappear overnight' in one of "Red Ronny's" famous speeches. If you don't believe that the powers that be have some grand deceptions planned for the masses in the future. I hope you wake up.

As far as fear mongering, you are way off base. Cooper educated people, he didn't scare the shit out of them. He woke people up, and thus gained many enemies in the process. He also challenged people to do their own investigations. Cooper challenged people to think, listening to William Cooper was like listening to a professor, someone who could teach and challenge their students at the same time.

Was Cooper perfect? No. Did he have demons and issues...yes he did. Bullshit artist? No he wasn't. He was just a man who had the balls to tell it like it is, backed up by research. Research that we as listeners were compelled to look up ourselves and to challenge him if he was correct or not. If he was wrong, he would come clean about it.

Cooper was not just a talk show host. He was someone that gave a shit about this country and he wanted his country back as much as we the listeners did, if not more. And he gave it his best with what he had at the time. Perhaps if he was still alive today, maybe the direction this country is going would be different. I honestly believe that.

Since Cooper is being accused as a bullshit artist. I thought it would be noteworthy to mention that William Cooper outed Lindsey Williams as a Freemason in the 1990's. This was well before Lindsey was a 'household name' in the alternative news arena, well before Lindsey became real famous with his tall tales of 'insider buddy from the elite' information.

Cooper in his own words talking about Lindsey Williams

"When I was in Salt Lake City speaking at Prepardness Expo. Lindsey Williams approached me, shook my hand and said he heard my talk and asked me if I was a 'Traveling Man'. I said what you mean 'Do you travel'. I said..uh Can You Elaborate A little bit. He said 'Have You ever been to the East'. I said I understand what you are talking about and I am not a member of your brotherhood. He gave me one each of his books and I gave him my book. He told me if I needed any help to let him know. I told him I surely would. He not realizing he already helped me extensively (Long Pause) ...now by revealing this to you I am helping you"

If you want to hear it yourself > http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=31058


Now if you want to talk about a bullshit artist...does the initials, 'AJ' ring a bell?
"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981



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03-20-2013, 12:26 AM,
#38
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Now that's a real post with facts and truth.
Shortwave knows what he's talking about.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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03-20-2013, 01:40 AM,
#39
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-19-2013, 11:53 PM)shortwave Wrote: The Blue Beam Project information originated first with Serge Monast. Serge mentioned it on Brother Stair's Overcomer Broadcast. Serge was an investigative journalist from Magog Quebec, Canada. There exists on VHS tape somewhere a video taped interview of Serge that to my knowledge has not seen the light of day on the web. Serge died not too long after revealing the information. He allegedly died of a heart attack.

Here is the vids of Serge Monast:









Now, sorry but they are both in French. The guy hosting the video is called Richard Glenn and he lives in Mont St-Hilaire, Québec. I met this man, because his son played football with me when I was young.

Richard has been doing his show "Esoterism Expérimental" since the 80's; one of the first in Canada. He claims he met extraterrestrials on two occasions and has been milking that puppy since... He still does conferences every month in Montréal and Québec city and has a following of people who are cockou for coco puffs...

I'll translate bits for you:

In the first clip Serge talks about how the NWO, and how Bush and others are just puppets and that this should be taught in schools by professors, who he thinks are brain dead.

In the second, Richard shows Serge's new book "15 sec to midnight in Ottawa" (our Capital Hill) he claims that he worked for Robert Kenedy as a press guy and knows stuff... He got problems in his life because he exposed the non-published documents between Washington and Ottawa (and the CIA and RCMP) that planned a political crisis in Canada, Québec. He had to exposed the info, because he was being ruined financially and they were going to ruin his journalistic career. He exposes the big boys plan to prevent Québec from separating from Canada (becoming an independant country). For example, they sabottaged the Canadian constitution to prevent Quebec from voting, infiltrated a radical separatist group (FLQ) and pretended that this group killed an anglophone politician (Laporte), but is was federal agents, so the Canada gov could force martial law (October crisis - the first time a gov pulled this off at such a big scale, never been done elsewhere in America), and how the US needs Quebec inside Canada for military strategies (the east coast, gulf of St-Laurent) and resources.

As an investigative journalist he tells people that the media are disinfo. He was disturbing the shitstem BIG TIME, so they got rid of him.

I'll try to find the book and see what I can share with you all.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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03-20-2013, 04:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-20-2013, 04:58 AM by macfadden.)
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RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
shortwave Wrote:before Lindsey became real famous with his tall tales of 'insider buddy from the elite' information.

You mean tall tales like teh secret files? So the only difference between Lindsey Williams' bullshit and Cooper's bullshit is that Lindsey Williams claims 'secret elite people' type sources and Cooper claims 'super secret files' type sources? OK, I got it now, Cooper's legit but you'd have to be a moron or something to go believing that Lindsay Williams guy.

shortwave Wrote:Now if you want to talk about a bullshit artist...does the initials, 'AJ' ring a bell?

Yeah, AJ is another lying turd.
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03-24-2013, 07:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-24-2013, 07:31 AM by Skinski7.)
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RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
A lot empty words in this thread. I think Silva knows what he is talking about but some of the others need to think before they type.

I think Bill was genuine from his own perspective. He had his faults for sure and he made his share of mistakes and wrong decisions.

He was an excellent teacher in regards to philosophy, history and symbolism and was very astute in regards to present day politics. He most definitely had an ego and thus jumped the gun with his predictions and did overplay his predictive abilities. He was short tempered and did not suffer fools, although I can understand this due to the vast amount of ignorance he perceived and the timeliness of the message. I remember coming on the air one day back around 99 or so and apologising to his audience for his impatience, i think he was under a lot of pressure having lost his wife and children (they moved away).

I believe Bill was a very hard worker and was sincerely dedicated to his cause. He was a go getter and achieved much with his work.

I suspect he may have exaggerated about his intelligence history and the documents claimed to have seen because of the differing account between that written in his book, the bulletin board days and the MajestyTwelve HOTT broadcast in 1998. He may have found himself exaggerating and then later on unwilling to go back on his exaggerations due to that he had already invested much into his work and credibility (it is very easy for the human mind to self-deceive and thus be loose with the truth, especially with issues that are not immediately pressing like one's history). His research ethic during the period of the HOTT broadcasts was quite impeccable in my opinion, and he was one of the few who tried to stick the the facts and avoid sensationalism.

My biggest gripe with Bill is his lack of understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ whom he claimed to follow. Bill indeed misled people in this regard yet he was himself misled. I think Bill had a case of information overload and due to heavily investing in it (time wise) was unwilling to really dig into the actual doctrine of Christ. I think Bill was poisoned in the mind by the philosophy of mystery, in that it served as an antidote to Christ.

Doyel and Rob are both nice guys and hard workers. Doyel has done a lot in regards to jurisdiction issues and his presentations are worth watching.
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03-25-2013, 11:14 PM,
#42
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-24-2013, 07:25 AM)Skinski7 Wrote: A lot empty words in this thread... some of the others need to think before they type.

...

My biggest gripe with Bill is his lack of understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ

...

...was poisoned in the mind by the philosophy of mystery, in that it served as an antidote to Christ.

Huh

[Image: tumblr_m16k8qVki91qd0mego1_500.jpg]

Barf
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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03-31-2013, 05:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2013, 05:06 PM by rayraydog.)
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RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
Cooper was a man who early on wanted to be seen and heard and to make lots of money. He would say anything to succeed. He was an alcoholic and beat his wife. The shit he pulled with the zapruder film/tape (trying to get money) exposed him early on. The important thing to remember about Bill is that in his later years he admitted his mistakes (and lies) about earlier claims and tried to educate anyone who would listen when he discovered the real agenda of the elite who lord over us, and about the dangers we as a people face. He wasn't a "threat" to TPTB early on, but later became a man who would be feared and eventually silenced by the elite. When I heard Cooper call out the Government a few days before 9/11 on their "terror threat" and warned the government that he and others knew it would be them who committed the acts of terrorism and not some "Bin ladin hiding in a cave",, all in order to get our guns and future their agenda, and when president Bill Clinton said something to the effect of "Bill cooper being the most dangerous man in America" I, and other friends knew Bill would not die of old age. In the end , Bill did his best to lay out parts of what was really going on and what we could expect to happen. Why he decided to go out like he did is anyone's guess. I guess he wanted to go out on his own terms and not have it be reported as a "traffic accident'.

Bill cooper should be forgiving for his earlier mistakes and remembered for trying to wake people up to the real issues which affect this planet and people on it. His last few years of recordings reflect his knowledge of the elite and their plans , and by spending his last days trying to get the word out is enough for me to forgive him.

RIP Bill Cooper
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03-31-2013, 06:18 PM,
#44
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-31-2013, 05:04 PM)rayraydog Wrote: [...]
president Bill Clinton said something to the effect of "Bill cooper being the most dangerous man in America"
[...]

Do you have a reference for this?
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04-20-2013, 10:27 PM,
#45
RE: Bill Cooper's lies and exaggerations
(03-31-2013, 06:18 PM)fujiinn Wrote:
(03-31-2013, 05:04 PM)rayraydog Wrote: [...]
president Bill Clinton said something to the effect of "Bill cooper being the most dangerous man in America"
[...]

Do you have a reference for this?

This was a claim that Bill often made on his show.

He credited it to Rush Limbaugh who allegedly made the statement on his show in response to being accused of being dangerous. Rush Limbaugh is alleged to have said something along the lines of, "it is not me who is dangerous, it is this man named Bill Cooper who broadcasts down in Arizona who Bill Clinton has called the most dangerous radio host in America according to this White House memo."

That is paraphrased from memory but it in essence as to how Bill would make this claim. I am not aware of any documentation supporting it thus as to whether it is true or not is hard to tell. It doesn't matter to me either way really. Bill was Bill and I thank him for opening my eyes in regards to a lot of things and instilling in me a research ethic.

You could always contact Rush Limbaugh and ask him although I am sure that would be difficult due to the volume of traffic he receives and he may not even remember such an incident if it occurred.
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