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2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
09-25-2012, 11:21 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-25-2012, 11:22 PM by h3rm35.)
#16
RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
how's your head? Headbash that must hurt.
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09-25-2012, 11:25 PM,
#17
RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
LOL yeah a little...Im done here for now. Im just repeating myself.
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09-26-2012, 07:53 AM,
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
Quote:I didnt say "any current research is invalid" - I did say most of it isnt valid in its context.

Im reading that as "I will believe the bits I want to believe and any gaps will be made up when the "real" research (which supports my preferred lifestyle) gets done"

"most of it isnt valid..." is a very subjective statement. Who says so?

Quote:Im done here for now. Im just repeating myself

Me too
Its only proving my point its just about getting high by your emphasis on this aspect. You arent suffering with MS or desperately need a new shirt that smells like the 60s, you just want to get blasted.
....Just like I said originally.

Go for it and hopefully I will never have to meet you on the highway when you are demonstrating your superb control of your clearly superhuman "faculties"...
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09-26-2012, 04:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-26-2012, 04:36 PM by SiLVa.)
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
Its not JUST about getting high but youre too thick headed to process that its more than that. Maybe you're just too stubborn or maybe its your own mental deficiency- either way its your problem, not mine.
You ignoring my other points and insinuating that its just about getting high is not debating. Its a weak cop out. So Im done with you.

Gladly your dinosaur ways of thinking will soon be gone with you and others like you. I find that the older generations are the cause of a lot of the problems going on in the world today. The younger generations will have their own issues to contend with but hopefully at least these trivial pursuits of controlling everything possible in everyones lives will just fade away.
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09-26-2012, 05:43 PM,
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
I read this guy talking about the best place to get fish & chips in England on some other thread, so most likely his opinions don't hold sway on this side of the pond anyway. Maybe he's just jealous that he can't get any decent herb with his fish and chips. I'd have to have the munchies to be able to choke that shit down, all greasy and wrapped in old, used newspaper...
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09-26-2012, 07:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-26-2012, 07:41 PM by Swordfish.)
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
oooh Im hurt and insulted LOL

You can tell youve run out of debate because youve now gone down the personal attack route instead of presenting any worthwhile evidence for your view.

Quote:Its not JUST about getting high
Ah so you do now acknowledge that it is at least in part about that - we just have to separate that out from your economic vision for the industrial hemp industry in the US now.

And btw silva, I looked at the link you sent re driving and dope and hey guess what, the second link that comes up says quote:

Marijuana nearly doubles risk of collisions

We hear a lot about the hazards of drunk driving, but here's something else to put on your radar: A study in the British Medical Journal found that marijuana nearly doubles the risk of vehicle collisions.

Researchers conducted a systematic review of nine studies on the subject of marijuana and driving accidents, which incorporated almost 50,000 participants.

Alcohol impairs drivers' speed and reaction time, while cannabis affects spatial location, said Mark Asbridge, associate professor in the Department of Community Health and Epidemiology at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Among impaired drivers, fatally injured drivers, and motor vehicle crash victims, marijuana is the most prevalent illegal drug that has been detected, according to the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Drivers who have recently smoked marijuana may follow cars too closely, and swerve in and out of lanes, Asbridge said.


And even the other ones refer to a study which clearly indicates that quote: Authors suggested that test subjects' reduction in speed on this task could mean that they were compensating for perceived impairment.
And the study was done 30 mins AFTER smoking dope.
I know people who've regularly driven after drinking 5 or 6 pints of beer and not had an accident but that doesnt prove that alcohol doesnt affect motor skills my deluded friend.


Im pleased to see Ive intrigued you enough to cyberstalk me and my other comments - was that really the best "insult" you could come up with - commenting on fish and chips? LOLLOL
Ive never had anyone try to win Brownie points against me by (unsuccessfully) trying to make a link between myself and battered haddock LOL Priceless.

btw its illegal to serve them in newspaper, youre about 30 years behind with your stereotype, that or maybe you are just a big fan of Mary Poppins?

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09-26-2012, 07:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-26-2012, 07:41 PM by SiLVa.)
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
If I wanted to try and insult you, I would have.
Pardon my mistake. I thought it would be worth explaining myself clearer but its no use. You dont want to listen to any justified reasoning. You just want to be a condescending asshole, really not worth the time or effort Ive already wasted.

This is why forums dont work for debate or discussion. There's always some douchebag that will act out of character to a stranger just because they can hide behind an anonymous persona.
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09-26-2012, 07:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-26-2012, 07:45 PM by h3rm35.)
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
(09-26-2012, 07:36 PM)SiLVa Wrote: If I wanted to try and insult you, I would have.
Pardon my mistake. I thought it would be worth explaining myself clearer but its no use. You dont want to listen to any justified reasoning. You just want to be a condescending asshole, really not worth the time or effort Ive already wasted.

This is why forums dont work for debate or discussion. There's always some douchebag that will act out of character to a stranger just because they can hide behind an anonymous persona.

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09-26-2012, 07:55 PM,
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
Quote:You dont want to listen to any justified reasoning
On the contrary, when you produce some I will listen

Quote:You just want to be a condescending asshole, really not worth the time or effort Ive already wasted.

Ditto...
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09-27-2012, 06:58 PM,
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Quote:Nine former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration are standing in our way to legalize marijuana in three states this year.

In Colorado, Oregon and Washington, ballot initiatives will let the voters decide whether they want to legalize marijuana in their states. These former DEA officials are so scared that the public will vote to legalize that they sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to oppose all the ballot initiatives.

Let's show the Attorney General that our voice is stronger than former drug war generals. Urge Attorney General Holder to let states decide their own marijuana policies this November!

In the past few years, the states have been on the front lines of marijuana legalization. We’ve seen 17 states and the District of Columbia legalize marijuana for medical purposes and 15 states have effectively decriminalized marijuana possession in small amounts. More than half of all Americans support marijuana legalization. And the ballot initiatives in Colorado, Oregon and Washington have promising chances of passing.

The people who want to maintain marijuana prohibition are afraid. That’s why supporters of the drug war status quo are urging Holder to speak out against marijuana legalization. They’re desperate to block our progress, and they want to overshadow all the work you’ve done getting to this historic moment. They know if even one of these states legalizes marijuana, it would change the future of drug policy in our country -- and we know it would be change for the better.

Don’t let drug war proponents get in the way of marijuana legalization. Pressure Attorney General Holder to let voters decide their own marijuana policies this election year.

With your help, we can make sure nothing stands in the way of states voting to legalize marijuana this November!
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09-28-2012, 05:36 PM,
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
Quote: Quote:Its not JUST about getting high

Ah so you do now acknowledge that it is at least in part about that - we just have to separate that out from your economic vision for the industrial hemp industry in the US now.

Thanks for finally acknowledging its marijuana you are campaigning for, much more honest.Clap

...and good luck with that.
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09-28-2012, 07:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-28-2012, 07:09 PM by SiLVa.)
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
This is once again, a prime example of you behaving like an asshole and not really being interested in the truth.
Youve already stated your assumption that its only using marijuana to get high. And while I never said that wasnt part of it, I also said that there's much more to it than just that - but you just like to focus on what you choose to focus on. Epic failure on your part to see the bigger picture.
I saw you edited your post. And even that article (unsurprisingly on a mainstream media website btw) says what I stated from the beginning about how the drug affects people differently, but I see you left that part out, conveniently. Also that it wasnt a controlled study - Epic fail once again.
You've been proven to disregard, and cherry pick your information to suit your agenda...good luck with that.
Do me favor and just stop wasting peoples time.
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09-28-2012, 08:48 PM,
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RE: 2012: Historic Year for Marijuana Reform on the Ballot
Well considering Ive used your own referencing to prove the opposite of what you thought you were proving Id say that was rather less than a fail.

Your great revelation that drugs affect people differently was so blindingly obvious that I didnt feel the need to even refer to it. If it makes you happier, yes you are correct on that single issue though I have never challenged it. The unpredictability of that seems another good reason NOT to make it more accessible as you cant predict exactly WHAT effect it will have.

Should we also legalize crack cocaine as "it affects people differently" or allow people to drink and drive "because it affects people differently" Brainiac? Duh!

Quote:You've been proven to disregard, and cherry pick your information to suit your agenda
No Ive used the information that you signposted me to. I have no agenda other than to present a different viewpoint on the topic. If that differs from your view then tough shit. Have a good cry about it or suck it up.
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09-28-2012, 09:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-28-2012, 09:50 PM by SiLVa.)
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(09-28-2012, 08:48 PM)Swordfish Wrote: Well considering Ive used your own referencing to prove the opposite of what you thought you were proving Id say that was rather less than a fail.

Your great revelation that drugs affect people differently was so blindingly obvious that I didnt feel the need to even refer to it. If it makes you happier, yes you are correct on that single issue though I have never challenged it. The unpredictability of that seems another good reason NOT to make it more accessible as you cant predict exactly WHAT effect it will have.

Should we also legalize crack cocaine as "it affects people differently" or allow people to drink and drive "because it affects people differently" Brainiac? Duh!

Quote:You've been proven to disregard, and cherry pick your information to suit your agenda
No Ive used the information that you signposted me to. I have no agenda other than to present a different viewpoint on the topic. If that differs from your view then tough shit. Have a good cry about it or suck it up.

Do you believe in a human being's basic right of choice and personal freedom? I highly doubt it. I do.
I also believe that the narrative that marijuanna is not worthy of being used industrially is a ploy by other industries to hamper the use of marijuanna in any way they can so they can keep their monopolies going. Its almost impossible to ignore that part of the whole notion of scarcity and green energy bullshit they push is nonsense when you can see how much they disregard the benficial uses that hemp could provide in this aspect alone.

Dont put words in my mouth. I think if someone is careless or harms someone criminally, they should be held accountable for their actions. I dont think it should be any different for any one substance or another. I also dont believe that just because there is a slight possibility that some drug becomes legal, everyone and their mother is going to go and abuse it and and all madness and mayhem will occur.

From what I can tell your "viewpoint" is very much in line with what the establishment says on marijuana and you will ignore all the other great benefits and amazing history that a simple plant has, all while not realizing that the potential uses havent all been studied or looked at enough to see if your arguement even holds any weight. And all this based on past science, not updated science or future study. Thats just beyond ignorant. Knowledge, and information on many things evolve over time. Things change. So Im not really worried that much about it.
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09-28-2012, 10:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-28-2012, 10:07 PM by h3rm35.)
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he's using COINTELPRO methods to fuck up the actual info in this thread. I don't know if he's just an asshat or a member of law enforcement scared of losing budget padding for drug war operations, but he's obviously not invested in proving himself right. He just wants to distract from the fact that the legalization agenda is moving forward. he's a fucking troll, and the more you pay attention to him, the more you allow him to pull off this subversive agenda. Take a look at his threads. He does nothing but create argument.

Please don't feed the trolls. he's been on my ignore list since I told him he wouldn't hear from me again.
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