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Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
09-17-2012, 10:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-18-2012, 12:16 AM by h3rm35.)
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
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I've been smelling rank trash around this whole situation from the beginning, but I haven't been able to figure out how all the ties lay out. What strikes me most is the typical CIA cover-story that they painted this "Ambasador" with in the iMpEDIA - Above think-tank members, WaPo & NYT "journalists," and museum employees, the most cliched cover for american intelligence operatives is a position in an Embassy or Consulate. For Christ's sake, this guy was an "American Field Service Intercultural Programs" exchange student in Spain before he even graduated High School, and then was in the "Peace Corps" in Morocco (Islamic Country right across the Strait of Gibraltar from Spain) right in the middle of the Russian-Afghan War (you know, when the CIA created Al-q and funded/armed/trained the Taliban?), and 2 years ago, he picked up a Masters Degree at the National War College (not exactly par-for-the-course for a facilitator of Israeli-Islamic reltations which he was lauded for while serving in Jerusalem)... Now this specific guy was supposedly a lover of Islamic culture and was a liason to Palestinians and "Lybian" rebels...

...and then I think about the "Arab Spring," and how that was a blatant Mossad/US intelligence op, and the "uprising" making the most news being in Tahrir Square (nobody would know what the hell Tahrir Square was if this hadn't happened)... and then Egypt eventually came under the rule of the "Muslim Brotherhood," after there was another "uprising" in which the military rule was supposedly ousted. Now, this made very little news in the vein that would be expected, with Israeli/neocon outrage and demands for the US/UN to come in and "stabalize" the situation. In fact, it was the opposite. SHillary and the rest of the executive branch were all happy-go-lucky about a new "functioning democracy." Now, it's Egypt and Lybia where the MSM is focusing their coverage, even though the biggest outburst of violence was in Yemen. (Yemen's a whole other can of worms in how it ties to mossad/CIA/Al-Q, I may or may not deal with that later, depending on how long this reply goes on before I get to it. There a thread I've been working on for a while here if you want some limited background.)

So, it seems to me, western/israeli intelligence fomented an uprising to oust a government that was pretty much a puppet of their interests, then allowed the installation of a government, that, on it's surface, seemed like opposition that would be more slack in allowing Muslim outrage like we've seen covered without end over the last couple days. It also seems like a stage was set for this "anti-american" outburst around a film that was most likely funded by the people who are supposedly being raged against

Now, my guess is that the Egyptian angle is pretty much all theater instigated in order to either:
1. Allow for a joint geo-straegic NATO military build-up in Israel, Saudi, and the Red Sea
2. Allow Israel (through Mossad povocation and activity) to scare the US/NATO through a show of covert influence in the area into refocusing forces and intelligence back eastward towards Iran (and Yemen, even though it doesn't get the coverage,) as evidenced by the Increased sabre-rattling mentioned in the OP.

If it is indeed, as I more strongly suspect, the second scenario, a Mossad hit on a US counter-intelligence (against Mossad) Islamophile operative that was recently beefing up his resume on military tactics and strategy before heading out to befriend armed anti-Israeli rebels in Lybia was a threat closer to the heart of American interests. It was a "personal" attack on the US's drift away from Iran.

To lend more weight to this concept, I'll point out that this hit came precisely two days after CIA chief David Betrayus secretly went to Turkey and Israel to try to discuss how to get the latter to fall in line with NATO's general designs for the area, particularly to get them to support (or at least not sabotage) the US/Turkish Intelligence operation Against the Syrian government on Turkey's southern border (which is in their best interest since Syria's no friend to Isreal and the PKK, an anti-Turkish revolutionary group of Kurdish rebels, is supported by Iran.) Turkey demanded that, in order to cool relations between the two countries, Israel would have to apologize for the murders during the Gaza flotilla. They (AMAZINGLY,) did so, and we can all guess the rumblings that went on in Israel's government and military after they were forced to publicly back off their openly hubristic and exceptionalist bent and half-admit that they were wrong in enforcing their aparthied to the point of genocide while swallowing the bitter pill that US/NATO weren't about to take up the Iran issue, even in an election year which is usually a given for sabre-rattling foriegn policy.

that's my take on this for now, and later, if things come up that more specifically point to it, I'll get into Israel/US activities in Yemen, and how they tie into a soft proxy-battle against Russia/China for geopolitical and natural resource influence. It's a deep topic and my brain's capacity is dwindling at the moment, but I'll just point out that its unsurprising to find the most violent country in the region hasn't been covered at all in the west because they don't want to expose their overall aims in the middle east and central Asia because it would spell out the creeping agenda of global domination and one world government with exposed roots going back to the early seventies, if not to WWII...
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09-18-2012, 02:36 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-18-2012, 02:57 AM by h3rm35.)
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
a couple threads that have built on the info I gave in the previous comment - I'm sorry, I hope no one thinks I'm trying to hijaque this thread, but a bunch of things are comng together in dealing with this series of events, and I hope no-one minds me posting things that back my train of thought on it.

Currency/Warfare:¨A new world order will emerge from the ashes.¨

]Yemeni/Somali situation: al-Q is an arm of the covert American intelligence agencies

The Plan for a New World Order Stumbles on Geopolitical Realities

BBC used 9 year old Iraq photo for Syrian massacre

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Chief Justice John Roberts jokes about trip to 'impregnable fortress' in Malta
(it's off on the top-left of the map - yeah, it's that little dot.)

Iran, Russia, China, Syria to Stage Biggest Joint Wargames in Middle-East [UPDATED]

the real Tiananmen Square photo:
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I'm done for a while, unless I need to respond to comments.
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09-20-2012, 09:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-20-2012, 09:57 PM by h3rm35.)
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
What was it Rahm Emanuel said? oh yeah, that's right:
Quote:You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

looks like some banksters are taking his advice to heart. No surprise there, since hewas rubbing elbows with them early on in Barry's cabinet. Angry Muslims? perfect chance do do some creative accounting.

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Chase joins Bank of America in possible Islamic attack outage
Another target of the 'Cyber fighters of Izz ad-din Al qassam'?
By Rik Myslewski in San Francisco
Posted in Security, 19th September 2012 19:29 GMT

The consumer website of JPMorgan Chase was unavailable on Wednesday afternoon, possibly due to the same hack attack that caused Bank of America to go intermittently dark on Tuesday after threats from a group incensed by the execrable Innocence of Muslims film that has caused turmoil in the Islamic world.

"We're experiencing intermittent issues with," a JPMorgan Chase spokesman told MSN Money [1]. "We apologize for any inconvenience and are working to restore full connectivity."

Bank of America suffered similar problems yesterday. A bank spokesman told Reuters [2] at the time that "We are working to ensure full availability," and assuring customers that "We continuously take proactive measures to secure our systems."

The problems that both banks have experienced come after an unverifiable Pastebin message [3] from a group calling itself the "Cyber fighters of Izz ad-din Al qassam" saying that they would "attack the Bank of America and New York Stock Exchange for the first step" in their retaliation for what they called a "Sacrilegious movie insulting all the religions not only Islam."

If, indeed, Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase are being attacked by the Islamic "Cyber fighters", they may not be the last. "This attack will continue till the Erasing of that nasty movie," the Pastebin message says. "Beware this attack can vary in type."

Neither bank has identified the type of attack aimed at their websites, but DDoS is, of course, one suspect.

"All the Muslim youths who are active in the Cyber world will attack to American and Zionist Web bases as much as needed such that they say that they are sorry about that insult," say the Cyber fighters of Izz ad-din Al qassam.


text of the pastebin threat:
Quote: In the name of Allah the companionate the merciful
My soul is devoted to you Dear Prophet of Allah
Dear Muslim youths, Muslims Nations and are noblemen
When Arab nations rose against their corrupt regimes (those who support Zionist regime) at the other hand when, Crucify infidels are terrified and they are no more supporting human rights. United States of America with the help of Zionist Regime made a Sacrilegious movie insulting all the religions not only Islam.
All the Muslims worldwide must unify and Stand against the action, Muslims must do whatever is necessary to stop spreading this movie. We will attack them for this insult with all we have.
All the Muslim youths who are active in the Cyber world will attack to American and Zionist Web bases as much as needed such that they say that they are sorry about that insult.
We, Cyber fighters of Izz ad-din Al qassam will attack the Bank of America and New York Stock Exchange for the first step. These Targets are properties of American-Zionist Capitalists. This attack will be started today at 2 pm. GMT. This attack will continue till the Erasing of that nasty movie. Beware this attack can vary in type.
Down with modern infidels.
Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest.


there some really enlightening stuff in this piece:

False Flags and Imperial Mobilization: The Middle East Explodes on 9/11 Anniversary
By Larry Chin
Global Research, September 17, 2012
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Every year, people commemorate 9/11 without having a clear understanding of the original event or the elite agenda that made it possible. This lack of comprehension persists, even as the world explodes in series of orchestrated “new 9/11s” on the eleventh anniversary of the original crime.

* * *

What was still is

The attacks of 9/11/01 was a false flag operation of the Bush/Cheney administration and CIA-affiliated military-intelligence assets (Al-Qaeda, etc.). The resulting “war on terrorism” of the Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations is built on false flag terrorism and propaganda. The “terrorists” are military-intelligence assets, acting on behalf of Anglo-American leaders and their allies.

9/11 is not history. It is now.

The overriding elite military and intelligence agenda remains the conquest of oil and gas resources. 9/11/01 was the first act of desperation among elites to control all significant energy-related geography on the planet, while preventing rival powers from doing the same.

Under the “war on terror”, the world has suffered eleven continuous years of false flag terror. Bombings. Destabilizations. Assassinations. Coups and counter-coups. Controlled and co-opted popular revolts and “mob violence”. Regime changes. Criminality beyond redemption.

As of this writing, new false flag terror attacks in various nations have been carried out by “terrorists” directly and indirectly connected to the CIA and Washington.

They have taken place simultaneous with mob action and grass roots street protests, likely stoked and guided by military-intelligence assets of the CIA and its affiliates.

The manner of the Benghazi attack suggests military-style coordination (also see here), and that the attack was allowed to happen.

The timing was politically convenient. The anti-Muslim film (allegedly by an American right-wing Christian zealot) that sparked riots, and its translated broadcast in Egypt, demand further inquiry. Popular unrest also appears to be guided and/or co-opted.

While the situation remains fluid, what is beyond question is that in the wake of this violence, there has been no attempt to negotiate peace. Instead, support is being drummed up for retaliation: new military attacks and aggressive US war policies, for either the “restoration of order” (Libya,), or new and long-planned regime changes (Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc.) In the famous words of Zbigniew Brzezinski, such attacks would spur the masses to support “imperial mobilization”.

This is not simply sudden chaos or reaction. Ignoring the multiple red herrings, the central war agenda has not changed in eleven years. It is simply being taken to a new level.

Military-intelligence assets behind every act

The Libyan violence, including the assassination of Ambassador Christopher Stevens was carried out by the Al-Qaeda “freedom fighters” that helped the US overthrow the regime of Muammar Qaddafi. These assets are closely linked to American neoconservatives, including a large contingent of figures behind the Bush/Cheney apparatus. At the forefront is the bloodthirsty Senator John McCain, who is all over the American media screaming for vengeance. Other “leading suspects”, such as the Ansar al-Shariah group, are also Al-Qaeda linked.

Libyan president Mohammed el-Megarif has stated clearly that the attack was “planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago”.

Al-Qaeda, a CIA front for decades, plays multiple roles, boogeymen as well as “freedom fighters”, on behalf of US policy.

In Afghanistan, the pattern repeats. The murder of four members of the NATO coalition force by terrorists impersonating Afghan police officers has been blamed on the Taliban. The Taliban is another Islamic front connected to the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI, which is a virtual branch of the CIA that came to power with Washington support. There is no mention of these connections in mainstream reporting.

Syria has been targeted for regime change, and a “humanitarian” war. It is in the process of being destabilized, as are Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. The same forces are involved in each region. The Haqqani network in Pakistan was recently named as a major new threat. Not mentioned is the fact that the ISI, as already noted, is connected to the CIA.

Iran has been the target of CIA covert operations and black ops for years. Like the other nations, it has been infiltrated and is brimming with spies and “terrorists”.

This combination—calculated, criminal military-intelligence programs by world leaders, competing and/or “out of control” intelligence assets, intelligence blowback, parallel with legitimate protests and popular backlash—is a recipe for global catastrophe, threatening the future of humanity.

Following the attack in Benghazi, the next step has already been taken, and it is not towards peace or order. Now that it has the luxury of another pretext, the Obama administration has sent even more CIA and FBI spies to the region (not mentioning the fact that the region is already brimming with intelligence assets working for Anglo-American interests), more drones, and Marines, including forces to the Syrian border.

This is the Obama administration’s “diplomacy”. The administration has plans to attack both Syria and Iran. His political “rivals” embrace the same plans, and more.

Cover-up and spin

As of this writing, US officials and the US State Department are involved in a propaganda dance with competing factions, all playing political football with this “new 9/11”. CIA-connected media outlets are unleashing waves of competing spin.

Speaking on behalf of the Obama administration, UN Ambassador Susan Rice claims that there was no “actionable intelligence” that could have prevented the attacks by Al-Qaeda, blaming the violence on “spontaneous” mob reaction. This, even while strong evidence suggests that Washington had clear warnings. This, directly counter to the claim by Libyan president Mohammed el-Megarif that the attack was “planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago”. Many suspicious aspects abound, as noted by former US congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

And as it was eleven years ago, hot propaganda debate swirls deceptively around the ability of the supposedly “stretched thin” CIA, its intelligence successes or “failure” to “protect Americans”. We hear the endless assertions that the CIA and its many foreign branches, with their unlimited budgets, resources, technology and global stranglehold “lack the resources”. The criminal agency responsible for the bulk of the world’s terrorism is depicted as the heroic outfit that will “go after” the terrorists on behalf of America.

The parallels with the original 9/11 attack and propaganda cover-up are unmistakable.

Presidential election charade

While the world burns under the fires lit by military-intelligence, yet another sham of a presidential election is underway, with Barack Obama and Mitt Romney (and the poison-spitting vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan)—each of them war mongering corporatist candidates—falling over themselves to proclaim who is the more effective “terrorist killer”, and who will do a better job when it comes time to destroy Iran and Syria.

The outbreak of anti-Americanism abroad conveniently steers election debate away from a US economy that will not be revived, the endless looting of US tax dollars, and the destruction of social programs (and the fact that all of that taxpayer money goes to war and the CIA). It focuses American anger once again on “crazy Arabs”. The US population was false flagged and “dog wagged” on 9/11/01. It is being deceived again.

Towards oblivion

Thanks to successful mass conditioning, the annual 9/11 “remembrance” has become a yearly international holiday for the Big Lie.

Both the Republican neocons and the Democrats and the Obama administration benefit from this propaganda. Obama and Romney know that the US economy will not be repaired, and that there really is nothing to talk about.

But war is forever. Popular hysteria and hatred remain the keys to controlling the “hearts and minds” of the emotional and the uninformed, who do not bother to study history and facts, even though they are widely available.

It will not matter which war mongering US presidential candidate “wins” (granted the next seat by the consensus of elites, and given the fraudulent electronic vote totals).

The inability and refusal by the masses to recognize and resist this horror ensures that the atrocities to continue, towards even greater criminality and destruction.

The pandora’s box opened on 9/11/01 remains wide open, and set ablaze, on 9/11/12.
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09-20-2012, 11:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2012, 12:17 AM by h3rm35.)
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
Pakistan hit by anti-Islam video protests
US embassy in Islamabad is latest target of around 5,000 demonstrators angry at anti-Islam video made in US.

The US embassy in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, has become the latest target of protesters angry at an anti-Islam video that triggered protests in the Arab and Muslim world.

The total number of protesters reached around 5,000 later on Thursday with the arrival of protesters carrying the flags of hardline Islamist groups. At least 50 people were injured as police fired tear gas and live rounds towards the crowds.

Hundreds of students from various colleges and educational institutions in Islamabad had begun clashing with police as security forces tried to block them from reaching the embassy compoud, which also includes the British and French diplomatic missions.

The students responded by pelting the police with stones, and the police retaliated by firing tear gas shells.

Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder, reporting from Islamabad, said the situation was eventually brought under "control" by police and the military.

"Police tried to control the crowd by firing in the air and using tear gas. But because of the size of the crowd, the police were forced to ask for help from the military," he said.

Many thousands were trying to march but were prevented by the security forces, said our correspondent. He said military helicopters have been hovering over the area where the protests are taking place.

Several students were injured when policemen hurled the stones back at the crowd. According to local television channels, several policemen were also injured.

"Our policemen are not any better than the Americans because they are trying to stop us. They are in the same league as them, they are heretics like them," said student Jawad Ahmed.

"They should allow us to demolish the American embassy because they have blasphemed against our holy Prophet. The police are also becoming an accomplice of blasphemers."

Anti-American slogans

Protests took place in other parts of Pakistan as well. In Lahore, the cultural capital of the country, students from an Islamic school marched through the streets and chanted anti-American slogans.

In Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani-administered Kashmir, more than 200 protesters set fire to an effigy of Barack Obama, the US president.

"We will make known it by burning the effigy of Obama and his allies that a blasphemer deserves to be burnt to death," said Maulana Mehmood ul Hassan Ashraf, secretary general of Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam.

Large protests are expected on Friday, the weekly Islamic day of prayer, which has been declared a special public holiday in Pakistan, said our correspondent.

Hyder said the government was nervous and that several containers had already been brought in, as roads entering Islamabad were being blocked ahead of tomorrow's protests.

'Represented the views'

The US has bought time on Pakistani television stations to run a series of ads in a bid to stem Muslim protests, a US official said on Thursday.

The State Department has spent some $70,000 to air the ad in Urdu across seven Pakistani TV channels in a bid to dissociate the US government from the inflammatory film, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

"After the video came out there was concern in lots of bodies politic, including in Pakistan, whether this represented the views of the US government," Nuland told journalists.

"So in order to ensure we reached the largest number of Pakistanis, some 90 million as I understand in this case with these spots, it was the judgment that this was the best way to do it."

The aim was "to make sure that the Pakistani people hear the president's messages and the secretary's messages", Nuland said of the ad, which was produced and edited by the US embassy in Islamabad.

Obama is shown saying: "Since our founding the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."

Clinton then says: "Let me state very clearly, the United States has absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its contents. America's commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation."

State department warning

The protests coincided with a warning to US citizens from the state department to avoid travelling to Pakistan.

Officials upgraded their ongoing advisory about travel risks in Pakistan, explicitly advising Americans to put off any non-essential travel to the country. They "strongly urged" those who are already there to avoid protests and large gatherings.

The state department said the presence of al-Qaeda, Taliban elements and "indigenous militant sectarian groups poses a potential danger to US citizens throughout Pakistan".

Protests broke out across the Arab and Muslim world, as well as some Western countries, when the video denigrating the Prophet Muhammad, Islam's most revered figure, was posted on YouTube. Many Muslims regard any depiction of the prophet as blasphemous.

In Benghazi, Libya, a US consulate was attacked by angry rioters on September 11, killing the US ambassador to Libya and three of his colleagues.

Obama said on Wednesday the man behind the anti-Islam movie was a "shadowy character".

The White House said the matter was still under investigation and that the situation in Libya was not hopeless although the road to a more stable future was "bumpy and at times dangerous".

I don't personally agree with portions of this author's thinking, but he sure as hell lays a lot out there to consider.

The ‘Pro-Israel’ Network Behind the “Innocence of Muslims” Video
By Justin Raimondo
Global Research, September 19, 2012
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The ‘moral obscenity’ engulfing the Middle East in blazing Anti-Americanism
Introductory Note by Michael Carmichael,

The indefatigable Justin Raimondo delves into the background of the makers of the inflammatory propaganda film, Innocence of Muslims, and discovers professional Islamophobes linked to the American pro-Israel network of radical neocons including:

1 Media for Christ, sponsors of Christian programming in Arabic;
2 Pamela Geller, a wealthy hate-filled Islamophobe and full time anti-Muslim agitator behind the public protests of the mosque in Lower Manhattan in 2010;
3 Robert Spencer, a professional polemicist and devoutly conservative Roman Catholic who serves as the Director of Jihad Watch and
4 David Horowitz, the publisher of the neocon website, Frontpage.

Raimondo reports that the Geller-Spencer crowd seem to have helped provide hundreds of thousands of dollars in the funding for the film project that led to the trailer for Innocence of Muslims that helped trigger the wave of violence in the Middle East on the anniversary of 9/11.

In his analysis, Raimondo argues that free speech has nothing to do with this film. Reminding his readers that Geller was an inspiration for the mass-murderer Andre Breivik who killed 77 people in Norway, Raimondo labels the result a “moral obscenity.”

Delving even more deeply, Raimondo traces the ideological lineage of Geller and Spencer to David Horowitz and his neocon website, Frontpage, that is brimming with articles decrying, “the ‘betrayal’ of Israel by the US government and the perfidy of all things Islamic.”

In Raimondo’s piece, Geller, Spencer and Horowitz are homegrown propagandists with tons of “neocon money … sloshing around” that gleefully precipitate phenomena like the Innocence of Muslims and the arc of violence now crushing US foreign policy in the Middle East.

The ultimate sources of the money under neocon control are unknown, but the Cheneyesque ideology of neoconservatism regularly receives a large share of exposure in the mainstream media through the appearances of Elizabeth Cheney, Daniel Pipes, Martin Indyk and John Bolton as well as the usual cast of characters on Fox News.
But, with one dead American ambassador along with three other dead consular officials and a blazing US consulate in Benghazi as well as the ongoing wave of anti-American protest and violence from Morocco to Malaysia, when does the deliberate incitement to violence via propaganda and other treacherous chicanery rise to the level of treason?

* * *

If someone had planned to upend US foreign policy — to utterly destroy the very basis[.pdf] of all our diplomats (and military personnel) been working to achieve in the Middle East and throughout the Muslim world — they couldn’t have done a better job of it than whoever put together Innocence of Muslims.

As violent protests spread, the consequences continue to roll in: the suspension of joint US-Afghan military operations, the suspension of US aid talks with Egypt, the rapid decline of US prestige in the region, and the growing influence of the radical Islamist movement US support for the “Arab Spring” was designed to counter. The Obama administration’s effort to split the Islamist upsurge and lend its support to “moderates” has been stopped cold.

Was the release of the video a random event, one of those unpredictables that can arise at any moment to foil the best-laid plans? Perhaps. Yet one is hard-pressed to explain what the makers of Innocence sought to accomplish, if not precisely what has occurred. According to various explanations floated in the media — primarily by anti-Muslim agitator Steve Klein — the idea was to promote the video to Muslims. In one account, Klein says he hoped the video would “smoke out” Muslim radicals in the US, who he is convinced have organized secret “cells” that will strike on command. On the other hand, we are told the film’s authors and promoters hoped to “convert” Muslims.

Neither explanation is very convincing. The video itself is so crude, so inept, and so deliberately insulting it is hard to believe anyone thought it could convert anyone to anything. And as for the prospect of “smoking out” secret Islamist cells — if there were such cells, one would hardly expect them to reveal themselves because of a YouTube video.

In order to understand the real motives and goals of the makers of Innocence, it is necessary to take a good look at the people who have, so far, been identified as the film’s authors and promoters.

The central figure in all this is reported to be one Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 56-year-old Egyptian immigrant: although Nakoula presented himself in an interview with the Associated Press as “Sam Bacile,” a 56-year-old “Israeli-American” real estate developer, he is a Coptic Christian, a member of a persecuted minority in Egypt — and a convicted felon. Media reports portray him as the central figure in the making ofInnocence: he denies this, and describes his job as arranging “logistics” for the film. Nakoula’s role seems to have been that of a facilitator — gofer — rather than “creative director,” and in any case he hardly seems the type to have originated the idea for the movie. Having been released from jail — where he was serving a sentence for bank fraud — barely a month before filming started, Nakoula was hardly in a position to undertake such a project. Chances are he was recruited by someone else, the real originator and driving force behind Innocence— but who is that someone?

Public records show a filming permit was taken out by “Media for Christ,” an outfit run by one Joseph Nasrallah Abdelmasih. His group sponsors Christian programming in Arabic, including “The Way,” a production that has featured such prominent Islamophobes as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The Geller-Spencer collaboration goes back to the protests against the New York City “Ground Zero” mosque in which the duo achieved national notoriety: Nasrallah was one of the speakers at their rally. The idea for just such a movie as Innocence showed up on Geller’s blog in February, in a post entitled “A Movie About Muhammad: An Idea Whose Time Has Come.” Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim and board member of Geller and Spencer’s “Stop the Islamization of Nations,” exhorted Geller’s readers to support his movie project:

Quote:The movie shows Muhammad’s raids, plunders, massacres, rapes, assassinations and other crimes. A small subtitle in the lower right corner of each scene will give reference to the source of the story. This movie is entirely factual. Wherever possible, I copied the Quran, the Sira and the Hadith verbatim. It is a riveting story. Truth about Muhammad is more shocking than fiction.

“The world does not know Islam. What is known is a watered down and euphemized version of it that has no bases [sic] in reality. The truth is that Muhammad was a cult leader, much like Jim Jones, Shoko Asahara and Charles Manson. Unlike them he succeeded because there was no central power in the seventh century Arabia to stop him.

“The other good news is that I have been promised a substantial angel financing. I have been daydreaming about this movie for ten years. It was this promise that prompted me into action. I put everything aside for five months, read everything I could about my protagonist, selected the most salient episodes and wrote the script.

“The seed is now sown. Now it’s time to nurture it. What I need is an experiencedexecutive producer, someone who shares my values, to make it happen with professionalism and missionary zeal.

“I am not thinking of a high budget movie, but given the subject matter, it can become one of the most seen motion pictures ever. (Recall Danish cartoons?)”

This may or may not be the same movie as Innocence, but what’s important here is that the idea of such a provocation — “recall Danish cartoons?” — was percolating in these circles when the movie was in production.

Nasrallah has now issued a non-denial denial, in which he claims he was duped — along with the actors — by Nakoula who “did not make the movie we thought he was making.” However, he admits Nakoula called him and that Media for Christ lent him their facilities: and, one has to ask, what movie did Nasrallah think his buddy Nakoula was making?

Nasrallah’s recent involvement with the Geller-Spencer crowd coincided with a very profitable time for his organization: Media in Christ’s income has recently skyrocketed, according to public records, with receipts totaling under $200,000 in 2009 and prior, rising to $633,516 in 2010 and $1,016,366 in 2011. Where did all that money come from — was it Mr. Sina’s “substantial angel”? Nakoula claims he funded his movie project with money from “over 100 Jewish donors.”

When Nakoula spoke to the Associated Press, he described himself as an “Israeli-American” real estate developer operating out of California: this was soon debunked, however, when inquiring reporters outed him as an Egyptian of the Coptic faith. They also discovered he’s a convicted felon — not only for a check-kiting scheme, but also for drug-dealing (methamphetamine). He’s an unlikely hero for the right-wing Christians who have made a martyr out of him, although to ostensible “libertarians” like Matt Welch, who thinks Nakoula & Co. are on the same level as Salman Rushdie, the meth conviction is doubtless a plus.

The idea that these vermin, who deliberately set out to make a “movie” that would inflame the Muslim world, are “free speech” heroes is worse than nonsense: it is valorizing villains. We don’t yet know where the money, or the impetus to make the film, came from, but what we do know is this: the driving force behind Innocence was a desire to create an international incident that would bring discredit on the United States, and empower radical Islamists who hate America and everything it stands for. And the promoters of this garbage pose as “patriots”!

Free speech has nothing to do with this issue: the President requested of YouTube that they reconsider the video’s place on YouTube in light of their terms of service. YouTube refused, and that’s the end of it. Unfortunately, however, that’s not the end of this imbroglio, the consequences of which we’ll be living with for a long time to come.

There is an ugly sore festering under the skin of the West, and its first manifestation — or should I say symptom? — surfaced when Andre Breivik committed his ghastly crime, slaughtering the attendees at a Norwegian Labor Party youth camp. He, too, wanted to “stop the Islamization of nations,” and his online manifesto cited Geller, Spencer, and the writings of the movement their hateful rantings have energized. TheEnglish Defense League — a sorry collection of skinheads, neo-Nazis, and soccer hooligans — which Geller endorses, has mounted a campaign of violent intimidation aimed at British Muslims, inspiring imitators in several European countries. These groups feed off the more radical elements of the Zionist movement: Geller and her supporters claim to be “defending Israel,” and the EDL regularly flies the Israeli flag at their hate rallies.

Defense of the Jewish state is a major theme of the Islamophobe network: they use it as a shield to deflect criticism. A key leader of this network is former New Leftist and Black Panther groupie David Horowitz: his “David Horowitz Freedom Center” (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), sponsors Spencer’s “Jihad Watch.” Horowitz’s “Frontpage” site — ablaze with stories decrying the “betrayal” of Israel by the American government and the perfidy of all things Islamic — recently speculated Innocence was created by the very Salafists now leading the protests. Since the video sprang from the same bigoted milieu of which Frontpage is the online Jerusalem, this “theory” isn’t merely ironic — it’s a moral obscenity.

It isn’t hard to imagine where the money to create this deadly provocation came from. Of the many millions in neocon money sloshing around this country, it’s hardly inconceivable a hundred thousand or so would find its way into the hands of a twice-convicted felon and all around dubious character like Nakoula, who is, I suspect, just a con man rather than an ultra-Zionist ideologue like the promoters of his “work.”

Although, to be sure, the difference is altogether negligible.
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09-21-2012, 12:55 AM,
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
This one kinda mindfucked me. maybe its all just happening too fast for me to figure. any thoughts?

Clashes break out between PKK militants and Free Syrian Army
19 September 2012, 15:51 (GMT+05:00)

Azerbaijan, Baku, Sept.19 / Trend /

Clashes broke out between the PKK militants and Free Syrian Army on the Syrian-Turkish border, Turkish newspaper Zaman reported on Wednesday.

According to the newspaper, eight PKK militants were killed during the clashes.
Earlier Turkish media outlets reported that during the fighting between the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and government forces, the FSA took the Tel Abyad checkpoint located on the Turkish border with Syria under full control.

Rebels tore the country's flag from the checkpoint. It is reported that the fight for capturing the checkpoint had been waged since yesterday.

Anti-government protests have continued in Syria for a year and half.

According to UN, the total number of victims of the conflict in Syria is nearing 20,000.

More than 230,000 have become refugees with around three million in need of humanitarian assistance. The Syrian authorities say they oppose the well-armed militants.
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RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
for those that get my reason for thinking that Pakistan is really where we should be looking and freaking out about, the next three pieces are very unwelcome news:

Congressmen call for end to Afghan war

By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Sep 20, 2012 17:17:51 EDT

A bipartisan group of lawmakers called anew Thursday for the end of the Afghanistan war, citing the recent rash of incidents in which U.S. forces have been killed by Afghan troops as evidence that the war has no hope of succeeding.

The comments came at a news conference organized by Rep. Walter Jones, R.-N.C. The congressmen, whose district includes Camp Lejeune, N.C., questioned why, after 11 years of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan, the Afghan army still isn’t ready to operate without coalition support.

“You can train a monkey to ride a bicycle in that length of time,” he said sarcastically, underscoring his exasperation with the war.

He added that it makes no sense to continue spending billions of dollars in Afghanistan each year, in light of both the number of service members who die there and the lack of a coherent plan going forward.

“When our friends turn out to be our enemies, it’s time to pull the plug,” Jones said, referring to the so-called “green-on-blue” killings.

Douglas Wissing, the author of “Funding the Enemy: How U.S. Taxpayers Bankroll the Taliban,” pushed even further, saying that “everything about our involvement in Afghanistan is wrong.” While researching the book, he found that, because of the country’s culture of corruption, development money the U.S. sends to Afghanistan goes directly into the hands of some Taliban commanders, who serve as sub-contractors to Afghan companies providing security in the region.

Also speaking a the news conference were Reps. Peter Welch, D-Vt.; Barbara Lee, D-Calif.; Jim McGovern, D-Mass.; Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio; and Ron Paul, R-Texas.

Time for divorce with Pakistan: US Congressman
Washington, Sept 21, 2012, (PTI) :

A Republican lawmaker has introduced a resolution in the US Congress to terminate Pakistan's status as a "major non-NATO ally" to America, saying its time for a divorce with the country.

Introducing the resolution, Congressman Ted Poe said, "I have introduced H R 6391 to strip Pakistan of its major non- NATO ally status. We don't need to pay Pakistan to betray us. They will do it for free. Time for a divorce with Pakistan."

"And that's just the way it is," he said.

"The US granted Pakistan major non-NATO ally status to help us fight al Qaeda and the Taliban. This status gives special foreign aid and defence benefits such as an expedited arms sales process. But Pakistan has proved it's no friend to America," said the Republican Congressman from Texas.

He also cited several other recent incidents to bolster his case for passing the bill.

"Pakistan said no when we asked it to go after the terrorist havens. Pakistan twice tipped off terrorists making IEDs that kill Americans. Pakistan's intelligence arm, the ISI, helped the Haqqani network, a designated foreign terrorist organisation, to attack our embassy," he said.

"Pakistan arrested and convicted the doctor who helped us locate Osama bin Laden, the world's number one terrorist.

I believe some of the money that we have given them goes to the Taliban, but Pakistan has given us no reason to trust them. They are a disloyal ally, a Benedict Arnold friend," Poe said.

In 2004, the then President George Bush granted Pakistan MNNA (major non-NATO ally) status in an effort to get Pakistan to help the US fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

MNNA status is significant, granting critical benefits in the areas of foreign aid and defence cooperation.

A MNNA country is eligible for priority delivery of defence material, an expedited arms sale process, and a US loan guarantee programme, which backs up loans issued by private banks to finance arms exports.

It can also stockpile US military hardware, participate in defense research and development programs, and be sold more sophisticated weaponry, said a statement issued by the office of the Republican Congressman.

Pakistan Minister offers $100,000 reward for death of US filmmaker

Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 02:30 PM

A Pakistani Cabinet minister has today offered a US$100,000 reward for the death of the US filmmaker whose movie features a depiction of Islam’s Prophet Mohammed.

Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilor said he would pay the reward out of his own pocket.

He also urged the Taliban and al-Qaida to perform the “sacred duty” of helping locate and kill the filmmaker.

More than 20 people died yesterday in clashes with police in cities throughout the country.

The film has sparked violent protests throughout the Muslim world that resulted in the deaths of dozens, including the US ambassador to Libya.

Scores of people were injured today in a clash in Bangladesh’s capital between police and hundreds of demonstrators, as protests continued in the Muslim world against the film.

Police fired tear gas and used batons today to disperse the stone-throwing protesters, who were from about a dozen Islamic groups.

The protesters burned several vehicles in Dhaka, including a police van, witnesses said.

Dozens of protesters were arrested at the demonstration and inside the nearby National Press Club, where participants took refuge, a Dhaka Metropolitan Police official said.

Police and witnesses said scores of people were injured.

The clash erupted when authorities attempted to halt the demonstration, police said.

Authorities have banned all protests near the city’s main Baitul Mokarram mosque since yesterday, when more than 2,000 people marched and burned an effigy of President Barack Obama.

The protesters announced a nationwide general strike tomorrow to protest the police action.

In Pakistan, protests continued today, with more than 1,500 people, including women and children, rallying in Pakistan’s capital. The crowd was peaceful but angry over the release of the video called Innocence of Muslims, which portrays the Prophet Mohammed as a fraud, a womaniser and a child molester.

The protesters – from the Minhaj-ul-Quran religious group – marched through Islamabad’s streets and then gathered near Parliament, chanting slogans against the filmmaker and demanding stern punishment for him.

Thousands of people also protested today in Nigeria’s largest city, Kano. The crowd marched from a mosque to the palace of the Emir of Kano, the region’s top spiritual leader for Muslims.

About 200 students in Srinagar, the main city in Indian-controlled Kashmir, chanted “Down with America” and “Long live Islam” in a peaceful protest.

Some carried a placard that read: “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”

(09-20-2012, 09:12 PM)h3rm35 Wrote: What was it Rahm Emanuel said? oh yeah, that's right:
Quote:You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

looks like some banksters are taking his advice to heart. No surprise there, since hewas rubbing elbows with them early on in Barry's cabinet. Angry Muslims? perfect chance do do some creative accounting.

Original URL:
Chase joins Bank of America in possible Islamic attack outage
Another target of the 'Cyber fighters of Izz ad-din Al qassam'?
By Rik Myslewski in San Francisco
Posted in Security, 19th September 2012 19:29 GMT



what was it Rham Emanuel said again? Oh yeah, that's right:

US Lawmaker Blames Iran for Cyberattacks on US Banks
Posted September 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am (UTC-4)

The head of the U.S. Senate Homeland Security committee says he believes Iran is behind cyberattacks this week on U.S. banks.

In an interview with U.S. television network C-SPAN, Senator Joseph Lieberman said he thinks the disruptions of the websites of JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America were carried out by Iran and its Quds Force, a unit of its elite Revolutionary Guards. He said he does not believe these were “just hackers.”

Lieberman said he believes the attacks were a response to “increasingly strong” economic sanctions that the U.S. and its European allies have put on Iranian financial institutions.

The United States and several other Western countries have united to impose sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program, which they suspect is aimed at developing nuclear weapons. Iran insists its uranium enrichment program is solely for peaceful purposes.

On Saturday, the U.S. Senate almost unanimously passed a non-binding resolution opposing Iran's development of atomic weapons.

The Senate passed the measure in a vote of 90 to 1.

The wording of the non-binding measure specifically states that the measure should not be interpreted as an authorization for the use of military force or a declaration of war.

Republican Senator Rand Paul , who cast the lone “no” vote, has denounced the resolution as an excuse for the use of military force.

The Obama administration has resisted Israeli calls to set a deadline for Iran to stop work on its nuclear program.

Israel sees a nuclear armed Iran as a threat to its existence, and refuses to rule out military action against Iranian nuclear sites.

The issue from a Russian writer based in the Russo-Sino perspective

U.S. ambassador’s murder in Libya reveals ‘uncontrolled chaos’ around the globe
by Vicky Pelaez at 21/09/2012 17:41

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step," Lao Tzu, 604 B.C.

The widely held belief that the "illuminati" globalists know exactly where they are going in their efforts to transform the world into a global village - through interventions under false pretexts, "controlled chaos," and "color revolutions" - has been called into doubt by U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton's recent comment on the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Libya. "How can this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?" she asked, channeling the likely question on the minds of the Americans.

"How can this happen" encapsulates the foreign policy that the United States and its European NATO allies have been pursuing of late. Together they orchestrated and bankrolled the overthrow of the Muammar Gaddafi regime last October. The country's subsequent disintegration let them seize control over its rich oil and other natural resources.

Stevens was then the U.S. State Department special envoy to Libya's National Transitional Council in Benghazi (the seat of the provisional government and the nucleus of the Libyan opposition). Which is to say that the American diplomat fully backed the anti-Gaddafi "revolution" only to fall victim of the revolutionaries he consistently provided with assistance and support.

The murder was presumably perpetrated as an act of protest against the recently released trailer of a U.S. film mocking the Prophet Mohammed.
In post-revolution Yemen and Egypt, too, U.S. missions have become the target of hundreds of angry protesters, with dozens left wounded in the Yemeni capital, Sana, and more than 240 injured in Cairo.

Those incidents have prompted the globalists to conclude that the presence of NATO troops is indispensable to future "color revolutions." Next in line are, obviously, Syria and Iran.
France's socialist president, Francois Hollande, and the prime minister of Belgium, Elio de Rupo, also a socialist, both insist on a military intervention into Syria to oust Bashar al-Assad, much the same way Gaddafi was removed a year ago to give way to "democracy" in Libya.

Earlier, Western-style "democracy" was exported to Iraq and Afghanistan but has remained dormant to this day.
The two most important sites built in Iraq since the start of the invasion here eight years ago are the U.S. Embassy compound, the world's largest, and the Camp Victory military base, which, too, is the largest such base in the world, with enough space on its 47-kilometer grounds to accommodate 40,000 servicemen and 20,000 private contractors.

The country is in ruins. Its industrial infrastructure has been destroyed, and tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, wounded, or displaced.

The same has happened in Afghanistan, where, after eleven years of war, the allies are unable to control the situation despite their 400 bases on Afghan soil, forcing them to enter into negotiations with the Taliban. The only other "achievement" in Afghanistan, besides the destruction and killing, is a boom in opium production, which has grown to 9,600 tons per year, up from 1,100 tons in 2001.

Both wars, labeled "preemptive," exacted a heavy human toll, with more than 10,000 U.S. troops and 5,000 private contractors having lost their lives. More than 40,000 Americans have been injured and some 300,000 have developed a post-traumatic stress disorder. But it has been the hardest for the local populations.

Some will argue it is time Western powers ended their Iraqi and Afghan campaigns, especially given the severe economic crisis currently facing the U.S. and the European Union. Both nations should be left alone to solve their problems as they see fit, choosing a system of governance by themselves rather than having a foreign model imposed on them.

But the globalists have their own logic, one that serves to enhance national governments' industrial and military power and to put the financial sector at the service of transnational corporations.
As he was leaving office in 1961, U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." But the warning that Eisenhower delivered to his fellow Americans in his farewell address fell on deaf ears, it seems.

The United States has now become the world's largest arms exporter, with a market share of 78 percent. And despite the failure of the Iraqi and Afghan wars and the revolutions "without rhyme or reason" in Egypt, Libya and Yemen, the country's military-industrial and financial establishment continues down the same road, supported by NATO allies in Europe.

Many of today's drug-related, religious, and politically motivated wars are direct consequences of Washington's unbridled ambition to control the world's natural resources.

The economic crisis is no obstacle to the globalists, who believe that wars and conflicts, along with being profitable, can also be instrumental in distracting the public. They have now set their sights on Asia and the Pacific Rim, particularly on China, the powerhouse of the global economy.

It is not so much the growth of China's political clout that the Americans find disconcerting as its evolution into the region's economic leader.
The world's second largest economy, with an annual defense budget of $142 billion, China has spent the last five years modernizing its armed forces, and is expected to achieve military parity with the U.S. by the year 2020. This is the reason behind the establishment of a U.S. base in Darwin, Australia, with 2,500 marines deployed. Also, this has prompted the U.S. Pacific Command to develop an Air Sea Battle Plan so that its air and naval forces will have the capacity to deter and destroy the increasingly powerful Chinese Navy in the Pacific Ocean.

In addition, the United States is working to set up a base for unmanned drones somewhere in the region (in Australia, Vietnam, or the Philippines). It is well aware of the increasingly important role this type of aircraft plays in modern warfare. In 2011, the Americans had 350 drones, with 1,300 pilots deployed in thirteen bases; by the year 2015, the number will have increased to 2,000. Curiously enough, as the presence of the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea grows, Hanoi, Manila and Tokyo are beginning to aggressively assert their rights to islands that China also claims.
This illustrates that the globalists are planning to turn the Asia-Pacific Region into a new center of gravity in the 21st century.

James Covert, an analyst with International Forecaster, argues that Washington came out with the Cold War concept in the 1950s to build up its military budget and expand its global domination. Later on, this concept was replaced with "the war on terrorism." And now a new Cold War is in the making; this time, the target is China and the objective is to prevent its further geopolitical expansion.

Already, the globalists are sounding the alarms over the "dangerous" situation in the Asia-Pacific Region, using the International Crisis Group as their mouthpiece. This non-government organization is financed by the Carnegie Corporation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Soros Open Society Institute, and several oil giants. Which means the ICG report is governed by the corporate interests that are at the roots of all the conflicts of the modern world.

The U.S seeks to neutralize China at the international level, forcing it to adopt the Western stance on Syria and Iran. The only option left to the Chinese under these circumstances is to continue their economic and military growth, with a $3 trillion reserve in the Central Bank, and to try to bolster their alliance with Russia.

The latter will be no easy task, according to Chinese experts, despite the fact that 70 percent of Russia's territory lies in Asia, because its people "have always lived under the influence of the United States and Eurocentrism, and have never demonstrated a real interest in Asia, remaining completely unaware of its idiosyncrasies."

But given that geo-economic needs change with the appearance of new centers of economic development and financial power, the latest APEC Leaders' Week in Vladivostok may serve as an eye-opener for many Russians, showing them just how much the alignment of forces on the world's political scene has changed in recent years.

The time has come to define a strategic relationship between Russia and China so that together they could shield the world from a wave of "preemptive wars," "color revolutions," and "controlled chaos." People around the globe are now rising up against militarism because they want to live in peace. If only the powers that be could realize it.
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09-24-2012, 06:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-24-2012, 06:46 PM by h3rm35.)
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
(09-17-2012, 10:17 PM)h3rm35 Wrote: I've been smelling rank trash around this whole situation from the beginning, but I haven't been able to figure out how all the ties lay out. What strikes me most is the typical CIA cover-story that they painted this "Ambasador" with in the iMpEDIA - Above think-tank members, WaPo & NYT "journalists," and museum employees, the most cliched cover for american intelligence operatives is a position in an Embassy or Consulate. For Christ's sake, this guy was an "American Field Service Intercultural Programs" exchange student in Spain before he even graduated High School, and then was in the "Peace Corps" in Morocco (Islamic Country right across the Strait of Gibraltar from Spain) right in the middle of the Russian-Afghan War (you know, when the CIA created Al-q and funded/armed/trained the Taliban?), and 2 years ago, he picked up a Masters Degree at the National War College (not exactly par-for-the-course for a facilitator of Israeli-Islamic reltations which he was lauded for while serving in Jerusalem)... Now this specific guy was supposedly a lover of Islamic culture and was a liason to Palestinians and "Lybian" rebels...

After they force-fed us the idea that this was not just an angry mob, but a coordinated attack, for weeks, the New York Times (surprise, surprise,) comes out with this today as the second story on the front page:

Quote:September 23, 2012
Deadly Attack in Libya Was Major Blow to C.I.A. Efforts

WASHINGTON — The attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans has dealt the Central Intelligence Agency a major setback in its intelligence-gathering efforts at a time of increasing instability in the North African nation.

Among the more than two dozen American personnel evacuated from the city after the assault on the American mission and a nearby annex were about a dozen C.I.A. operatives and contractors, who played a crucial role in conducting surveillance and collecting information on an array of armed militant groups in and around the city.

“It’s a catastrophic intelligence loss,” said one American official who has served in Libya and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the F.B.I. is still investigating the attack. “We got our eyes poked out.”

The C.I.A.’s surveillance targets in Benghazi and eastern Libya include Ansar al-Sharia, a militia that some have blamed for the attack, as well as suspected members of Al Qaeda’s affiliate in North Africa, known as Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

Eastern Libya is also being buffeted by strong crosscurrents that intelligence operatives are trying to monitor closely. The killing of Mr. Stevens has ignited public anger against the militias, underscored on Friday when thousands of Libyans took to the streets of Benghazi to demand that the groups be disarmed. The makeup of militias varies widely; some are moderate, while others are ultraconservative Islamists known as Salafis.

“The region’s deeply entrenched Salafi community is undergoing significant upheaval, with debate raging between a current that is amenable to political integration and a more militant strand that opposes democracy,” Frederic Wehrey, a senior policy analyst with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who closely follows Libya and visited there recently, wrote in a paper this month, “The Struggle for Security in Eastern Libya.”

American intelligence operatives also assisted State Department contractors and Libyan officials in tracking shoulder-fired missiles taken from the former arsenals of the former Libyan Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s forces; they aided in efforts to secure Libya’s chemical weapons stockpiles; and they helped train Libya’s new intelligence service, officials said.

Senior American officials acknowledged the intelligence setback, but insisted that information was still being collected using a variety of informants on the ground, systems that intercept electronic communications like cellphone conversations and satellite imagery. “The U.S. isn’t close to being blind in Benghazi and eastern Libya,” said an American official.

Spokesmen for the C.I.A., the State Department and the White House declined to comment on the matter on Sunday.

Within months of the start of Libyan revolution in February 2011, the C.I.A. began building a meaningful but covert presence in Benghazi, a locus of the rebel efforts to oust the government of Colonel Qaddafi.

Though the agency has been cooperating with the new post-Qaddafi Libyan intelligence service, the size of the C.I.A.’s presence in Benghazi apparently surprised some Libyan leaders. The deputy prime minister, Mustafa Abushagour, was quoted in The Wall Street Journal last week saying that he learned about some of the delicate American operations in Benghazi only after the attack on the mission, in large part because a surprisingly large number of Americans showed up at the Benghazi airport to be evacuated.

“We have no problem with intelligence sharing or gathering, but our sovereignty is also key,” said Mr. Abushagour.

The attack has raised questions about the adequacy of security preparations at the two American compounds in Benghazi: the American mission, the main diplomatic facility where Mr. Stevens and another American diplomat died of smoke inhalation after an initial attack, and an annex a half-mile away that encompassed four buildings inside a low-walled compound.

From among these buildings, the C.I.A. personnel carried out their secret missions. The New York Times agreed to withhold locations and details of these operations at the request of Obama administration officials, who said that disclosing such information could jeopardize future sensitive government activities and put at risk American personnel working in dangerous settings.

In Benghazi, both compounds were temporary homes in a volatile city teeming with militants, and they were never intended to become permanent diplomatic missions with appropriate security features built into them.

Neither was heavily guarded, and the annex was never intended to be a “safe house,” as initial accounts suggested.[/b][/u][/size][/color] Two of the mission’s guards — Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty, former members of the Navy SEALs — were killed just outside the villa’s front gate. A mortar round struck the roof of the building where the Americans had scrambled for cover.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced last week the creation of a review board to examine the attacks. The board is to be led by a veteran diplomat and former undersecretary of state, Thomas R. Pickering.

The F.B.I. has sent investigators — many from its New York field office — to Benghazi, but they have been hampered by the city’s tenuous security environment and the fact that they arrived more than a day after the attack occurred, according to senior American officials.

Complicating the investigation, the officials said, is that many of the Americans who were evacuated from Benghazi after the attack are now scattered across Europe and the United States. It is also unclear, one of the officials said, whether there was much forensic evidence that could be extracted from the scene of the attacks.

Investigators and intelligence officials are now focusing on the possibility that the attackers were members of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, or at least were in communication with the group during the four hours that elapsed between the initial attack at the mission and the second one at the mission’s annex.

Representative Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican who heads the House Intelligence Committee, said on CNN’s “State of the Union” program on Sunday that there was “a high degree of probability that it is an Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda-affiliated group that had a very specific target in mind, and that was to attack the consulate and cause as much harm, chaos and death as possible.”

Foreign diplomats say that under security circumstances like those now in Libya, it is generally standard procedure to have a “safe house” in the vicinity of a main diplomatic facility that can be easily defended and evacuated.

“Normally, you try to keep the location of such a safe house secret, but in Benghazi right now, I think this was next to impossible,” Col. Wolfgang Pusztai, who until early August was Austria’s defense attaché to Libya and visited the country every month, wrote in an e-mail. “There are not too many foreigners hanging around, and it is quite easy to track them.”

With so many parallels to the official story of 9/11, it seems as though the State department and the CIA finally got together on a story and got rid of the evidence for anything else before the FBI could get there, and now that they've got it covered (so to speak,) they can release it through their favorite rag.
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09-28-2012, 05:25 PM,
RE: Slogging through the pit of lies (Very good read - brace yourself)
yeah... now the FBI "can't investigate" because it's wewe scawy ovah dere!!!!

September 27, 2012
Security Fears Hobble Inquiry of Libya Attack

BENGHAZI, Libya — Sixteen days after the death of four Americans in an attack on a United States diplomatic mission here, fears about the near-total lack of security have kept F.B.I. agents from visiting the scene of the killings and forced them to try to piece together the complicated crime from Tripoli, more than 400 miles away.

Investigators are so worried about the tenuous security, people involved in the investigation say, that they have been unwilling to risk taking some potential Libyan witnesses into the American Embassy in Tripoli. Instead, the investigators have resorted to the awkward solution of questioning some witnesses in cars outside the embassy, which is operating under emergency staffing and was evacuated of even more diplomats on Thursday because of a heightened security alert.

“It’s a cavalcade of obstacles right now,” said a senior American law enforcement official who is receiving regular updates on the Benghazi investigation and who described the crime scene, which has been trampled on, looted and burned, as so badly “degraded” that even once F.B.I. agents do eventually gain access “it’ll be very difficult to see what evidence can be attributed to the bad guys.”

Piecing together exactly how Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans died here would be difficult even under the best of conditions. But the volatile security situation in post-Qaddafi Libya has added to the challenge of determining whether it was purely a local group of extremists who initiated the fatal assault or whether the attackers had ties to international terrorist groups, as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Wednesday may be the case.

The Libyan government has advised the F.B.I. that it cannot assure the safety of the American investigators in Benghazi. So agents have been conducting interviews from afar, relying on local Libyan authorities to help identify and arrange meetings with witnesses to the attack and working closely with the Libyans to gauge the veracity of any of those accounts.

“There’s a chance we never make it in there,” said a senior law enforcement official.

Also hampering the investigation is fear among Libyan witnesses about revealing their identities or accounts in front of Libyan guards protecting the American investigators, because the potential witnesses fear other Libyans might leak their participation and draw retribution from the attackers.

One person with knowledge of the inquiry said the investigators had gathered some information pointing to the involvement of members of Ansar al-Shariah, the same local extremist group that other witnesses have identified as participating in the attack. Benghazi residents and the leaders of the large militias that have constituted the city’s only police force insist that the attackers were purely local. They note that many of the brigades that have sprung up in the city have the ability to conduct such an attack on short notice and that a few homegrown groups — like Ansar al-Shariah — have the ideological disposition to do it as well.

American counterterrorism and intelligence officials say they have not found any evidence to indicate that the Qaeda affiliate in North Africa, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, ordered or planned the attack.

But the investigators are casting a wide net. To determine whether there was participation by an international element, intelligence analysts are poring over cellphone conversations intercepted before and after the attacks, as well as informant reports, witness accounts and satellite imagery.

When asked which group or groups may have been behind the violence, Matthew G. Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, told senators last week, “The picture that is emerging is one where a number of different individuals were involved, so it’s not necessarily an either/or proposition.”

Specifically, intelligence analysts are going down the roster of known militants who operate in and around Benghazi and elsewhere in eastern Libya, and like an Islamic extremist scorecard, seeking to determine what involvement, if any, each might have.

Complicating the investigation, these officials say, is the fact that many of these individuals align themselves with more than one group and with ad hoc organizations, making accountability to a specific group more difficult than to an individual or a group of militants.

Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Washington on Thursday that before the attack — he did not say when — “there was a thread of intelligence reporting that groups in the environment, in eastern Libya, were seeking to coalesce, but there wasn’t anything specific, and certainly not a specific threat to the consulate that I am aware of.”

General Dempsey said that information was shared throughout the government.

Assigning culpability also complicates the American response. For now, the administration awaits the F.B.I. investigation and updated intelligence reports. President Obama has said the United States will bring to justice those responsible for the attacks. But there is little appetite in the White House to launch drone strikes or a Special Operations raid, like the one that killed Osama bin Laden, in yet another Muslim country.

American officials would prefer that Libyan officials lead any military or paramilitary operation, or work alongside American investigators, to arrest any suspects. But the transitional Libyan government still does not command a meaningful national army or national police force.

At the Pentagon on Thursday, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said the government was waiting on the F.B.I. investigation to determine who was responsible for the bloodshed.

“We have made clear that as a result of that, we’re going to continue to go after those that would attack our individuals,” Mr. Panetta told reporters. “We are not going to let people who deliberately attack and kill our people get away with it.”

Mr. Panetta also indicated that the attack on the mission involved some degree of advance planning.

“As we determined the details of what took place there, and how that attack took place,” Mr. Panetta said, “it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack.”

Another United States official who receives daily intelligence briefings said that the planning was “a matter of a few hours, not days or weeks.”

Adding to the uncertainty of the investigation is the American government’s relative lack of information on the Islamist groups operating in North Africa, including the Algerian opposition group that renamed itself Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

One Western intelligence official expressed doubt that the Islamists in northern Mali were involved in the Benghazi attack. “If they were going to take direct action, it would be in Bamako,” the official said, mentioning the Malian capital, which has a number of Western targets.

Islamist extremists are believed to have a more secure foothold than ever in Africa, receiving training and fighting across borders, officials said.

“It’s not impossible that somebody who would have been trained in northern Mali would have been involved” in the deaths in Benghazi, said the Western intelligence official, who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

But many Benghazi residents said the city’s many heavily armed fighters needed no further training after the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, and they noted that Libyans were deeply hostile to the Malians, in part because of racial animosity and in part because they think Malians provided mercenaries for Colonel Qaddafi.

“It is a Libyan job,” Ismail al-Sallabi, a commander with one of the largest so-called authorized militias here, said of the attack on the mission. “It is not Al Qaeda.”
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