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Documenting Cultural Narcissism
04-08-2014, 08:48 PM,
RE: Documenting Cultural Narcissism
If your God is narcissistic, then chances are you will be in an abusive relationship, and perhaps learn how to become narcissistic yourself?

God: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
By Austin Cline

"No wonder western religion is so messed up. Catherine Deveny looks at how God fits the diagnostic criteria of NPD:

Feelings of grandiosity and self-importance (I am God); exaggerating accomplishments (I made you and the world) to the point of lying (I exist and there is a heaven); demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements (Worship me and only me because I am great and almighty and I know everything).

Obsession with fantasies of success, power, brilliance, beauty or perfect love (I will love you, you will love me and we will live happily in eternity).

Conviction you are unique and special (I am almighty. I am the one and only God).

Requires excessive adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared (Worship me. And me only. Or you will feel my wrath. Worse still, you will not come to my party in heaven).

Feels entitled. Demands automatic compliance with unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment (Follow my rules and rituals no matter how barmy, or you'll go to hell. And don't question me. Because I am God).

Is ''interpersonally exploitative'': uses others to achieve his or her own ends (Kill in the name of God. Wage war in the name of God. Cut off family members in the name of God. Punish children in the name of God. Discriminate against homosexuals, non-believers and women in the name of God. Spread the word and convert others so I have more power in the name of God).

Devoid of empathy (Kill in the name of God, etc).

Behaves arrogantly (I am great and you are sinners); feels ''above the law'' (Kill in the name of God, etc)."

http://atheism.about.com/b/2009/10/19/god-narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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04-14-2014, 02:31 AM,
RE: Documenting Cultural Narcissism
Regarding Is God Narcissistic, I was searching the Internet and found on a forum a post by a member that was thought-provoking:

¨inspiredbythedivine1
November 24, 2013 • 6:54 am

What does it say about the pathological dysfunction of a people who create for themselves a Sociopath for their god, say it is their own fault he treats them badly, and continue to insist he DOES exist and LOVES them in spite of the fact no evidence AT ALL exists to support this belief?¨
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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04-17-2014, 11:03 AM,
RE: Documenting Cultural Narcissism
People will generally prop up a substitute for god and rather than constantly address religious claims, I'd rather take apart magical thinking which is at the heart of religion.

Closely related to the god concept is the idea of the afterlife. We live in a secular world today. The religious were part motivated by the promise of a heavenly paradise; essentially living in a perfect society. The secular are part motivated by creating a paradise called a utopia and display the same zeal as the religious.

Religion is merely a thought program characterised by particular underlying emotions. True modern day religion is in fact liberal ideology and the unfortunate truth is the masses will never realise its damage while concentrating on liberalism's appointed enemy; religion.

Religion, as in the Abrahamic faiths, now serve as the satan figure for liberal ideology and as people search for solutions to whatever problems are deemed to require solutions, anything with a link to religion are dismissed just as quickly as the Christian will dismiss anything that could be accused of being satanic.

So the moral of this story is quit concentrating so much energy on the dead horse that is pointing out religious absurdity and concentrate on its successor who has more control over your life today than religion has.
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04-17-2014, 05:22 PM,
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R.R.: "So the moral of this story is quit concentrating so much energy on the dead horse that is pointing out religious absurdity and concentrate on its successor who has more control over your life today than religion has"

Yes! That horse has been picked clean by maggots and its bones are turning to powder.
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04-24-2014, 02:05 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-24-2014, 02:16 AM by Watchdog.)
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Ok.

I'm filing this one under Cultural Narcissism: Starchildren; Indigo, Crystal, and other new age classification of children (and adults).

For a while now I've been seeing more and more videos on Youtube about ¨special¨ and ¨gifted¨ children. They give them names like Starchildren; Indigo, Crystal, etc. They all have one thing in common: THEY ARE MORE AWAKE than normal people. In a sense they are ¨better¨ than normal children, because they are more ¨evolved¨. If you believe this sort of thing. Undecided

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Now I present some information:

¨The Indigo children are touted as the next evolutionary stage in human development, and their supporters boast that these children are like nothing ever seen before.¨

¨Believers claim they have special gifts, such as psychic abilities, and are “sensitive” to the world around them. They are allegedly wise beyond their years and thirst for knowledge incessantly. Their parents often see them as gifted with above-average intelligence. Above all, believers agree on one thing: they are here to teach us a lesson.¨

¨They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).

¨They have a feeling of “deserving to be here,” and are surprised when others don’t share that.

¨Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents “who they are.”

¨They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).

¨They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.

¨They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don’t require creative thought.

¨They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like “system busters” (nonconforming to any system).

¨They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.

¨They will not respond to “guilt” discipline (“Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did”).

¨They are not shy in letting you know what they need. (Carroll and Tober 1992).¨


Suspicious

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Now, This is what I'm leaning towards (and ohhh by the way, these children, their parents, and supporters, call anyone who dares to question their ¨gifts¨ HATERS). So, I guess I'm a hater?

Confused

Anyway, as far as I'm concern this phenomenon has nothing to do with evolution. These children are not more evolved, they have simply been socially engineered differently than other generations, and other kids who's parents are not so deeply into the ¨new age¨ program. Icon_arrow

This is what it is: the result of the new age religion. We are seeing the impact on a new generation, because we now have adults that have grown up in this new religion, had children, and programmed their children. Now, add to the mix that most people in our modern societies are also narcissistic (another social program), then we have the perfect mix to create what we are seeing appear here: new age kids displaying great narcissistic tendencies and repeating like parakeets the tenets of their parents religion.

The new age religion is like any other religion; it has good and bad aspects. This is why so many people are in awe when the listen to the ¨specially evolved gifted¨ children, because they can be presenting universal concepts that touch us deeply, such as lovey dovey feelings, along with the understanding that evil lurks in the heart of our fellow friends.

Do parents really need to turn their children into priests of the new age religion? I guess it appeals to their own narcissistic tendencies. It's nothing new, as my grandparents were so very proud when a son expressed the desire to become a priest in the catholic religion. It made them proud.

Evolution. Pffffff! Barf

So many people drink from the Darwinian cup, sometimes I think they gave us the theory of evolution to spawn the rising of cultural narcissism. It was the perfect social program for people to justify why they are better than their neighbors, why whites are better than blacks, why first nation people are savages, why Jews are... No wait, the Jews didn't need Darwin because the are Gods chosen ones (nore narcissism, this one based on trauma).

One more thing... This generation is also seriously affected by nasty chemicals, such as those found in pharmaceuticals, plastic (endocrine disruptors inducing feminine traits in boys, for example), vaccines, etc.

Take all this together, mash it up, and VOILA we have Starchildren; Indigo, Crystal, and other new age classification of children Exclamation

I'm sticking to this hypothesis until proven wrong.

What say you?



Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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04-24-2014, 06:10 PM,
RE: Documenting Cultural Narcissism
watchdog Wrote:What say you?

Indigo children were briefly covered here:

http://concen.org/forum/thread-46392-post-253691.html#pid253691

I'll give some broad feedback on your statements:

Quote: So, I guess I'm a hater?

The hater thing is a term for describing jealousy/envy. One could say accusing someone of being a hater is yet another display of narcissism. At the same time though, some people do get envious for a variety of reasons. It is up to one's own emotional intelligence to decipher which is the case but I do know that those that could perhaps envoke envy in others often do so intentionally and eventually see most of their interactions as people having some form of envy towards them even when that is not the case.

Quote:Anyway, as far as I'm concern this phenomenon has nothing to do with evolution.

Firstly, evolution, once divorced from its perfectionistic connotations of improvement towards some mysterious purpose, is nothing more than modifications in an organism with no higher purpose than simple environmental adaptation. Evolution can be eugenic or dysgenic. I will say in some ways indigo children are an evolution in the sense that evolution is generally being better adapted to a particular environment and with the western world becoming dumber and more narcissistic, indigo children are perfectly adapted to meet those requirements. As you mentioned, their social engineering is geared more towards a new age philosophy and we all know the connections between social engineers and their promotion of new age philosophy.

Quote:So many people drink from the Darwinian cup, sometimes I think they gave us the theory of evolution to spawn the rising of cultural narcissism. It was the perfect social program for people to justify why they are better than their neighbors

If we have learnt anything from advertising it is that there must be an emotional angle somewhere to obtain the sale. Put your thinking cap on and you will find most social philosophies or forms of social engineering also appeal to emotions. It tells us that the masses are far less emotionally developed/mature than they would have us believe. Now every religion had some aspect of preaching how its adherents were superior to non-believers. The secular arena is no different such as the atheist playing the angle of superiority over the religious. It basically tells us that the vast majority of humans, regardless of their professed belief systems, are constantly seeking superiority or status elevation which further tells us that their motivations are generally narcissistic. So Darwinism didn't necessarily spawn cultural narcissism; it was just another mask for the same symptom simply because people were saying they are better than their neighbours by virtue of having a better god before they were saying they were more highly evolved.

Quote:One more thing... This generation is also seriously affected by nasty chemicals, such as those found in pharmaceuticals, plastic (endocrine disruptors inducing feminine traits in boys, for example), vaccines, etc.

Now this is an extremely key variable but before breaking it down we need to elaborate on several other aspects.

Status elevation was mentioned in response to the previous quote. This is a consequence of living in a hierarchical structure originally induced upon the founding of agricultural society or civilization and the origins of slavery. No slave wants to remain a slave and would generally attempt to move up the classes to a more comforting life. This could be done via wealth accumulation or marrying someone of a higher class. However, in class society there was generally a taboo against interclass/caste marriage. Has anyone bothered to ask why?

Class or caste was essentially one's social and occupational role. Elites cannot exist without a servile class beneath them and the number of classes increases with social complexity and increases in required tasks from the slaves. The requirement of servile classes necessitates a steady stream of servile classes.

As wealth is difficult to come by in lower classes, marrying up is the next best option which is a task that the female will find much easier if she can invoke the sexual desire of a male in a higher class. This is known as hypergamy. As a consequence, she is unlikely to ever view males of her class and almost never likely to view lower class males as an appropriate mating partner. If females carried on mating with higher class men, the servile classes would simply no longer exist wiping out civilization as we know it.

Studying humanity in the wild suggests promiscuity is natural as is the impulse towards breeding with those who are better adapted to the environment. The elites of civilization essentially modify natural environments and thus become, by virtue of their control of civilization, the best adapted to such an environment.

In order to maintain civilization, two things must be outlawed; humanity's natural promiscuity (and therfore the promotion of monogamy) and the outlawing of interclass/caste relations (although this was loosely applied to higher classes as in sexual relations were fine as long as they weren't well known) in order to ensure that the various classes and servile populations remain in existence.

Western civilization has been granted many freedoms over the last 70 years, one of which has been the gradual diminishment of marriage and a return to natural promiscuity which as a consequence has now shed a light on the nature of sexual selection. You see with arranged marriages of previous eras, males simply had to be good at their occupation and would be rewarded with a wife who didn't have much say in the matter. Promiscuity and masterbation being taboo, the male, biologically determined to copulate would accept this deal.

Just think of it like this; if men are naturally promiscuous, always thinking of sex and will fuck anything that moves (according to feminists), why would they create an institution (marriage) binding them to only one woman? Obviously something deeper is going on and that is the point I'm trying to raise here; sexual repression was one of the key forces to how civilization itself could be formulated and maintained.

Now, as a consequence of thousands of years of modifications to the servile classes, the male essentially lost his natural tendency towards masculinity - one aspect of which being his desirability to females. With no wider society finding him a partner, we are now seeing a very large proportion of males with no prospects of even a short term girlfriend. The freedoms bestowed on western civilization has exposed a large inadequecy of the masses in general - essentially they were domesticated zoo animals now in the wild and most are unable to cope. It has also shown the stereotype of the gold digger female to have some basis in reality for if she is no longer required to marry a lowly male and can choose her own partners, she will logically try to pick the best she can get, inevitably overlooking those not meeting her criteria.

Consequently civilization has had a dysgenic effect on the male masses to the point that in the near future, most men will not pass on their genes as sex is harder for them to obtain than it is for females. Sexual frustrations can and will lead to increased aggression as more men opt out of participating in society as there is no reward for them to do so as they are seen as inadequate by most men and women around them. One way to stop their aggression is to feminise them hence the chemicals and philosophies that only increase their unattractiveness.

Of course, granting extra freedoms does not mean the elites lose control. For those who do want to participate in the system, people are still encouraged to maintain childlike levels of emotional maturity in order to obtain what Huxley called 'The love of servitude', and those men who do so are also encouraged to be environmentally adapted which essentially means being the pathetic clowns most men are shown as on TV. This is an example of male supplication and what it also does is increase female narcissism and the emerging changing, and in some instances, reversal of roles we are slowly seeing.

These modifications have seen the elimination of the role of man as provider as the female, through employment (slavery) and government protection, no longer needs man to fulfill this role. Her increasing male attention means she does not require to be as sexually appealing in order to secure male attention partly due to his desperation while she still places ever increasing demands on him. The phenomena of fat cat females with metro men in the future may not be far off.

Meanwhile, as the sexes battle and become more child like, the elites are slowly gathering all the evidence needed to not only enslave the rest of us further but to create the next batch of servile classes which will be the transhuman which is a manifestation of narcissism applied to slavery.

After all that though, there is a silver lining within narcissism; it is the beginning of individuality and higher emotionality but it is only the first step of many. Collectively, we are perhaps still rebelling at older forms of control (children going through narcissistic phases often rebel against parents yet this phase leads to greater maturity) but unaware of the manipulative capabilities of the new. The growing discontent, cynicism and jadedness of increasing segments of western populations has to emerge into something worthwhile eventually.
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04-25-2014, 02:04 AM,
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Yeah, perhaps we have to hit the wall and smash our faces to know that we bleed, sort to speak. This is also why I thank Monsanto for its arrogance and persistence while being publicly exposed, as it gives us the opportunity to notice icebergs floating around in the ocean of hypocrisy. If we had not seen the tip of the iceberg we wouldn't have the opportunity to discover the hidden portion underneath the water. If not for the arrogance of Monsanto talking about corporation poisoning humanity would be perceived as conspiracy theory.

Perhaps the ever increasing levels of narcissism will ultimately be what will do the system in; and like you said growing discontent, cynicism and jadedness are probably the natural consequences of an inevitable process towards healing ourselves and becoming mature.
Paix, Amour et Lumiere
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05-02-2014, 12:43 AM,
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Watchdog Wrote:Perhaps the ever increasing levels of narcissism will ultimately be what will do the system in

Yes and here's why:

Narcissism has a 'spiritual' component.

The selfishness usually associated with narcissism is actually due to the initial influence of the psyche's natural solipsism developed while in the womb. It is akin to bringing older forms of conditioning with you when you gain new knowledge and experiences. Narcissism is where the road to individuality begins and that road is constantly hindered by collectivist forces which themselves are just derivatives of solipsism.

You see collectivism is nothing more than the psychic manifestation of the combination of infantile solipsism and parental symbiosis projected onto external reality. In other words the child feels connected to mommy, yet, due to its solitary period within the womb, perceives itself to be the only mind that exists. Mother is seen as an extension of childs mind which is then projected onto all of reality thus we are all one and of one mind like the childish new agers like to say.

Narcissism is the beginning point of individuality and the individuation process of seperating or severing the symbiotic tie.

The next step is the realisation that the much maligned dark triad actually has a 'light' side. Psychopathy and Machiavellianism are completely at the mercy of the maturation level of narcissism which essentially provides the motivation for the other two. Initial wounding to the psyche can lead to self-worth issues to the point of self-hate and rejection of one's feelings. This has been considered the origin of evil by some psychologists (namely Erich Fromm) leading to the concept of the necrophilous personality; one that loves death.

That discussion is for another day but for now dwell on the positives that narcissism has to offer.
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05-16-2014, 04:07 AM,
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People are talking bout their experiences growing up with narcissistic parents.

My mom was like this, but not as bad as these people on youtube...!

Let the sharing and healing begin:



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05-22-2014, 04:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2014, 04:15 AM by R.R.)
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Narcissistic parents blaming the child can be taken further to your earlier mentions of the biblical god (the father) as a narcissist blaming humanity for all sorts of transgressions.

It can also be applied to the state as in the rulers are parents and the citizens/slaves are the children. The chief abusive tactics of narcissists are more emotionally based than physical leading to emotional traumas and stunted emotional growth/development.

As the world becomes more globalised and conformist with diminished freedoms, we are seeing increases in emotional disorders and that is not entirely down to vaccines, crappy food, shitty parenting, pharmaceutical scams or new methods of detection.

There is the emotional abuse inflicted by increased governmental dictatorship done in a passive aggressive style much like the narcissist who is adept at portraying themselves as anything but abusive. The citizenry can only respond through increased depression, personality disorders, schizophrenia, autism and longer times to mature if they ever do.

It is not necessarily an intellectual dumbing down as a lot of modern people have encyclopedic knowledge of their favourite celebrities, sports teams, tv shows etc showing that they are more than capable of remembering vast amounts of information. Its more in dumbing down the appeal or motivation. Predictive programming targets the emotions first and foremost namely emotions centred on status seeking, perfectionism and social acceptance/dominance. In other words the appeal to illiciting envy in others while their fears lead them to be 'ambitious' and seek power. America might use status symbols and consumerism while in other countries it manifests more as moralistic narcissism.

Now lets not forget the concept of stockholm syndrome to help shed new light on the 'appeal' of god and the government....
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07-11-2014, 01:44 AM,
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Quote:The Myth of Progress

General: M. D. Eder

The British Journal of Medical Psychology, 1932, Vol. XII, p. 1. D. Matthews

This paper adds another contribution to Sociology from the pen of a psycho-analyst.

Mankind has always found refuge from his unhappiness in myth creation. The myth is represented as a struggle between man and the forces of obstruction in which man is assured of ultimate victory. The history of civilization is largely the narrative of these myths. The myth of progress states that civilization has moved, is moving, and will move in a desirable direction. Progress is inevitable.

The myth in its origin coincides with the gradual decline in the christian belief in heaven and hell. According to the Christian myth man is only saved from damnation by Divine intervention.

The great strides recently made in scientific discovery and invention have encouraged man in the belief that the millennium is not far distant. Science has become god. Philosophers, men of science and politicians have accepted the idea of the inevitability of progress. But the hopes built on science are proving as illusory as those built on religion and other myths.

Indeed, recent events would seem to indicate that science is making man more unhappy and even threatening his destruction. Many theories and explanations for this state of affairs are forthcoming.

The present writer offers one based on psycho-analytic investigation.

He says that the genesis of the myth of progress is to be found in the happy delusion of omnipotence of the infant. Mankind unconsciously longs to return to this condition of megalomania. Thwarted by the external world he turns to his imagination to alleviate his unhappiness, the wishes he fulfils there are then projected more or less modified into the external world as political theories and philosophical systems.

Further, the omnipotent child can brook no denial of its wishes and frustration can only come from a hostile mother; so the adult sees in the failure of his hopes the hand of a hostile force. He understands no more than the infant does that the hostile force is his own projected aggression.


To obtain freedom man must recognize and accept his own unconscious aggressive impulses, he must further realize that these cannot be adequately controlled by repressive measures. Is man capable of the heroic discipline necessary to find and travel the path to freedom?

http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=IJP.014.0399A
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