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I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
07-23-2012, 09:31 AM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
(07-23-2012, 07:42 AM)Doomsticks Wrote:
Quote: I do not think he is, as Doomsticks said:

Quote:1) This fella is just some indie business owner that got approached with a script and funding if he took credit for the work. He does not seem as impassioned as I would imagine an artist capable of this vision. He seemed far more interested when asked about the machanics of making the film.

That was only one of four possibilities and does not sum up my total or even majority attitude towards this interview.

Quote:He really does not seem impassioned, and he does not have a solid meaning of the symbols. I could watch the interview again and point out examples, but anyone who watches it would see, he is asked about a certain topic, gives his very passive and reluctant opinion, Alex says "Well, it is kinda like this", which is nothing similar to what he said, and the guy just says "Yeah." and makes up some bologna on the dime to agree with Alex. For someone who put 5 years of work into it, he surely does not care to solidly state what it is. Soft words like "kinda" or "to me" or "a bit" are present whenever he speaks.

Exactly, I have seen more enthusiasm in a high school student's English Lit oral report. I have seen more passion in a church theatrical production. He doesn't even seem too jazzed about the notoriety his company is gaining, either.

I want to hear from the others involved in this film because this interview makes it seem like it may be more of a group effort with a weak spokesperson that can't wait to get off camera.

I'd like to see someone else interview him. Actually interview him, ask real questions, and shut their damned sprech-hole and let him answer those questions.

Sorry if I made you think I was summing up your entire view to one point. I liked the way you worded that particular point, and so I quoted it. And yes, someone needs to interview him that can go for a minute without interrupting. And interrupting with the voice of a sonic boom. Spot on as far as enthusiasm goes, he really showed a lack of interest in conveying the meaning of "his" work, or even just claiming its existence. What gets me the most is, if it is how he says, the symbolism would have to have been meticulously placed and have specific meanings. Why then is he not only so vague at describing the meanings of the symbols, but also changes the meanings whenever Alex booms his opinion? If I spent 5 years working on something, and money out of my pocket, I would be pretty interested in it, and enthusiastic to share it with the world. I would want to explain every point about it, and what makes it so amazing. He did not do any of that, just passively agreed and mumbled on with soft words void of meaning. Something is up, but I have no idea what.
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07-23-2012, 12:14 PM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
(07-23-2012, 07:42 AM)Doomsticks Wrote: I want to hear from the others involved in this film because this interview makes it seem like it may be more of a group effort with a weak spokesperson that can't wait to get off camera.

Exactly. Where others see an evasive shill for the Illuminati, I see an introvert with stage fright.
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07-23-2012, 02:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-23-2012, 02:36 PM by h3rm35.)
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
I find it hard to believe that thhe guy in the interview did this all on his own. That's why I used the plural possesive in my post. I also have serious issues with considering Alex Jones as an art critic.

In my opinion, for the most part, artists may begin with an idea in mind, then the creative process takes over and in the end, the end result is different from the original inspiration, unless the original intention is to create a copy/duplicate of still life. It's called a creative process for a reason - otherwise photocopies would cost the same as originals.

For the most part, the abstract aspects of artwork are what makes it art in the first place. The concept is to wrap in some medium that which is inexpressible - otherwise the creator of the art would have just said whatever they wanted to say. Even in literature, meaning is cloaked both from the audience and the writer in allegory, metaphor and simile.

There are blatant references throughout the film that point to religion, and an obvious focus on Christianity, leading me to believe that the people that made this have at least read the New Testament.

When Jesus has something important to say to the masses in the New Testament, how does he do so? Through parables, right? What are parables? Illustrative stories that have a general direction and meaning that the audience is supposed to lean towards, yet they are left to discern for themselves, through the filter of the experiences they've had in their own lives, what it should mean to them exactly.

Jesus of the Bible was a benevolent con-artist that allow(s)ed people to believe that humanity has some inherant altruistic bent. He was a gifted bard, given the biblical collective witness' interpretations.

The best art is that which leaves you pondering its meaning. I believe that was the intention of this film's creator(s). A piece of art collects a much broader audience when it doesn't slap you in the face with what it intends to say. Otherwise it's "preaching to the choir" so to speak.
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07-24-2012, 07:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012, 09:28 AM by JuDiTh.)
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
The videos trying to analyze what 'I, Pet Goat II' really portraits, are so full of bullshit.

Like when it try to link it to the worship of Lucifer through Sun-worshipping, which is described as Anti-Christian.

Let's take a look at what Christ says about the sun in general:

Quote:Thomas, spoke, saying, "Lord, why does this visible light that shines on behalf of men rise and set?"

The savior said, "O blessed Thomas, of course this visible light shines on your behalf - not in order that you remain here, but rather that you might come forth - and whenever all the elect abandon bestiality, then this light will withdraw up to its essence, and its essence will welcome it, since it is a good servant."

Doesn't rhyme very much with solarworshipping having anything to do with Lucifer, and he certainly does not speak of the Sun in a negative way.. Then I don't take into account Lucifer just might be a servant of Christ himself - something which is rather hard to imagine.

And that the Christ-figure in the video should be Anti-Christ, is just an outrageous lie by an uneducated fool. How can I say that? Well, through studying religious scriptures, and mainly the Gnostic ones we find in the Nag Hammadi library. In 'The Acts Of Thomas', the Apostle meet a Serpent in India. When Thomas ask the serpent who he is, he describes himself as Anti-Christ, but also mention that he goes under the name 'Set' - the Egyptian badass (Set also beeing the name of the Son of Adam - coincidence?). So that Anti-Christ is somebody who is supposed to come in the future, doesn't rhyme well with the fact that he's a character that has been around since before the birth of Christ, well, according to The Acts Of Thomas - since The Garden Of Eden.

The Eye Of Horus on the forehead of the figure says he is the enemy of Set/AntiChrist, and if you look into the studies of the Legend of Horus, the scholars have found a lot of simmilarities between the Horus-story and the Story of Christ.

And if the figure was the Anti-Christ, why would he destroy his own kingdom - the Egyptian, as well as the organized Church? What was it Christ said about one beeing in conflict with himself? Something like 'If Satan comes into conflict with himself, how can then his kingdom be standing?' People who say that Lucifer and AntiChrist are two different figures, have certainly not taken Acts Of Thomas into account - where the serpent also describes himself as the one beeing thrown down from Heaven.

To finish off, I can mention a story I read somewhere in a scripture, but beeing unable to find again. The story is about some children who wanted to meet God. Well, they succeeded in finding Him, but when God saw the children, he noticed Anti-Christ beeing amongst them. So he pulled Anti-Christ aside and told him: 'Bring the Children to me.'

Kind of makes you wonder about right and wrong. Things certainly aren't as black/white as someone wants them to be.

Just a few observations, I can give you more if these observations are less convincing than the videos.
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07-24-2012, 08:43 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012, 09:56 AM by h3rm35.)
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
there's no need to bring the question of Lucifer and/or Satan into a conversation about this piece of artwork. There was a recent post that dealt with this that labelled Masonry as Satanic, I believe brought to fore by Anarchist (I could be wrong about that, utfse.)

The reason why I brought christian allegory into this is because of the unignorable presentation of christian (as well as vedic) imagery (even though I found it surprising that Jewish and Islamic imagery seemed to be absent.)

My basic point was that art, like religion, is, more often than not, created by others and is either used by the observer to enlighten and/or bring meaning or inspiration to their life, or is absorbed by the subject after they allow others to interperpret it for them, in which case they allow subjugation of their spirit.

The interview with jones and the replies of the film's credited creator illustrates the concept more perfectly than I ever could. It's a beautifully executed parable/allegory on its own.

I'm pretty sure that Jones had no idea that he was an unwitting canvass for the next installment.

(edit to add: I was in mid-post when the previous post was edited.)

to Judith:

It doesn't make me wonder about right and wrong, as right and wrong isn't dictated to me by old texts. It's dictated to me by my conscience (or whatever else you want to call it.)

I don't mean any offense, as I can tell that when it comes to questions of the truth behind christianity, you're better versed than most. However, as you're educated on the subject, I'm sure you've read the Apocryphon of James in which it is stated (through translation, unfortunately,)
Quote:...the Savior appeared, after departing from us while we gazed after him. And five hundred and fifty days since he had risen from the dead, we said to him, "Have you departed and removed yourself from us?" But Jesus said, "No, but I shall go to the place from whence I came. If you wish to come with me, come!"

They all answered and said, "If you bid us, we come."
He said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full.

I believe this point follows my own experience, which is what has greatly flavored my own view on religion, even before it was confirmed by pre-biblical writings. The whole concept, IMO, is that one cannot follow one who interprets their truth for public consumption. Everyone's experience of the devine is revealed to them alone. They cannot follow "christ to heaven" because the christ character was created to provide a human example of the individual and limited ability of a creation to know its creator. I know it's an "asceptic" rather than inclusive concept, but it makes a lot more sense than forcing others to believe what you believe, considering that no one has ever lived your life, nor experienced the things (that God or fate, whatever they experience,) that any other person has experienced.

(the "your"s weren't meant personally)

It may seem lonely or isolationist, but it seems to ring true as far as the previously quoted text, as well as what my own experience and conscience has taught me...

...however, I've gone a little above and beyond the scope of this thread's original intent, and I apollogize to anyone who has had to work their scroll-wheel beyond their capabilities. Trigger-finger ache is the last thing I intended.
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07-24-2012, 10:03 AM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
(07-24-2012, 07:40 AM)JuDiTh Wrote: The videos trying to analyze what 'I, Pet Goat II' really portraits, are so full of bullshit.

Like when it try to link it to the worship of Lucifer through Sun-worshipping, which is described as Anti-Christian.

Let's take a look at what Christ says about the sun in general:

Quote:Thomas, spoke, saying, "Lord, why does this visible light that shines on behalf of men rise and set?"

The savior said, "O blessed Thomas, of course this visible light shines on your behalf - not in order that you remain here, but rather that you might come forth - and whenever all the elect abandon bestiality, then this light will withdraw up to its essence, and its essence will welcome it, since it is a good servant."

Doesn't rhyme very much with solarworshipping having anything to do with Lucifer, and he certainly does not speak of the Sun in a negative way.. Then I don't take into account Lucifer just might be a servant of Christ himself - something which is rather hard to imagine.

And that the Christ-figure in the video should be Anti-Christ, is just an outrageous lie by an uneducated fool. How can I say that? Well, through studying religious scriptures, and mainly the Gnostic ones we find in the Nag Hammadi library. In 'The Acts Of Thomas', the Apostle meet a Serpent in India. When Thomas ask the serpent who he is, he describes himself as Anti-Christ, but also mention that he goes under the name 'Set' - the Egyptian badass (Set also beeing the name of the Son of Adam - coincidence?). So that Anti-Christ is somebody who is supposed to come in the future, doesn't rhyme well with the fact that he's a character that has been around since before the birth of Christ, well, according to The Acts Of Thomas - since The Garden Of Eden.

The Eye Of Horus on the forehead of the figure says he is the enemy of Set/AntiChrist, and if you look into the studies of the Legend of Horus, the scholars have found a lot of simmilarities between the Horus-story and the Story of Christ.

And if the figure was the Anti-Christ, why would he destroy his own kingdom - the Egyptian, as well as the organized Church? What was it Christ said about one beeing in conflict with himself? Something like 'If Satan comes into conflict with himself, how can then his kingdom be standing?' People who say that Lucifer and AntiChrist are two different figures, have certainly not taken Acts Of Thomas into account - where the serpent also describes himself as the one beeing thrown down from Heaven.

To finish off, I can mention a story I read somewhere in a scripture, but beeing unable to find again. The story is about some children who wanted to meet God. Well, they succeeded in finding Him, but when God saw the children, he noticed Anti-Christ beeing amongst them. So he pulled Anti-Christ aside and told him: 'Bring the Children to me.'

Kind of makes you wonder about right and wrong. Things certainly aren't as black/white as someone wants them to be.

Just a few observations, I can give you more if these observations are less convincing than the videos.


Well, first off, I try to read as much as I can. I am not a Christian (and yes Hermes, I did write that lengthy post, you are correct), but I do enjoy reading Scripture, and find it fun to prove Christians wrong with their own books. Take the Rapture for one, contrived by Cyrus Scofield. Another is this purported "anti-Christ", when in Hebrew, it is plural. There is not one guy who will stand up at the end as the son of Satan, that is more Christian propaganda. The anti-Christs are a system, one which could be called the NWO. The story you reference to, but cannot find, about the children and the "anti-christ", seems to me to be completely illegitimate. There is a lot of material out there, I am hoping you are not making it up to try and make a point that Lucifer/Satan is working for Christ. As for your little reference to Satan being in conflict with himself, it was in Matthew 12:

Quote:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

As far as Horus and Christ go, it depends which Christ. There are so many made up Christs, and then there is the fun Zeitgeist movies.

The videos I posted were because they were some of the better ones I found. I got tired after about 6 videos and the Alex interview. If you have any better videos, feel free to post them. Or, if you think the artist is being honest, that is fine too. As my other posts show, I am skeptical, but it may be for nothing.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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07-24-2012, 10:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012, 10:39 AM by h3rm35.)
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
BTW, (I meant to say this before, but got distracted by my own train of thought...) The eye on the Jesus-figure's forehead is definitely NOT the eye of Horus... It's missing some pretty signifigant embellishments.

and to anarchist, I meant no offense in pushing the topic off the way I did, I just felt that thread was a better place for the discussion than this one. I weould hope you could post the thread's link for our educated "newbie."

I understand your dillema - I give up hope of truth arising after about 7 minutes of listening to AJ... Not voluntarily, and not because of what he says - I just get despondant, then depressed, then next-to-suicidal because this M.F. is the only person that gains any kind of traction in the public mindset... sometimes Joie Rogan plays into the mix, and that's even worse.
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07-24-2012, 02:54 PM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
No offense taken at all, H3rm35. The link to the thread can be found here.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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07-24-2012, 08:25 PM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
Another perspective...

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/07/fool-me-twice.html

[consensed for brevity]

"I really don't care much what "they" are doing anymore because I really don't believe in the Christian Fundamentalist myth of a worldwide occult elite that so many non-fundamentalists seem to have internalized in place of the authoritarian deity they no longer really believe in.

...It goes something like this: lift someone's wallet and you're just a common creep. Rattle some chicken bones and scatter some boneyard dust while you're at it and you're a juju man, a dark mystery to be solved.

In other words, all of this "Illuminati" bedwetting didn't diminish the esteem of the ruling class, it burnished it by painting them as invincible wizards and not simply corruptible workaholics."


I'm beginning to think worrying about these evil bastards is a waste of time that could be spent improving one's own consciousness. Yes, it is entertaining to try and figure them out, but like any other entertainment such as video games, motorcycle riding, or reading novels, too much of it is bad for your mental health and overall well-being.

I believe we should endeavor to alert people to the fact that the ancient Elite Conspiracy does exist, but we don't want our granting them attention to actually imbue them with more power.

Nonetheless, that was a cool video. Thank you Silva for posting it.
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10-24-2012, 08:51 AM,
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RE: I, Pet Goat II - Odd, Symbolic Animated Video Going Viral
I'll not bother with the Jones interview, because I can't take him right now, but I will say that on the home website there is some explanation for some of the scenes if you look at the wall papers, enough to get a good idea.

As for the rest of the religious/mystical symbolism is pretty obvious if you know what you are looking at, obviously anyone coming from a christian perspective will be totally baffled as usual. LOL
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10-25-2012, 02:40 PM,
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Well I think it's a great little production. And btw A scanner darkly does have a wakening effect... correlation: US troops guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan... duh...
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