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Orlando shooting spree !
11-06-2009, 07:12 PM,
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Orlando shooting spree !
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/orland...ings/index.html

Quote:Firefighters and police responded to a reported shooting Friday at a high-rise building in Orlando, Florida.

Authorities received a report shortly before noon of a shooting on an upper floor of the office building, said John Tormos of the Orlando Fire Department.

CNN affiliate WESH reported that at least eight people were shot at the Gateway Center -- a 16-story building.

Police cars and emergency vehicles surrounded the area, video showed. It also showed people fleeing.
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11-06-2009, 07:14 PM,
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Orlando shooting spree !
live stream

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLiveve.html?stream=stream1
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11-06-2009, 07:18 PM,
#3
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I know damn, another one.
Im listening to the police scanner right now on Militia Radio. Those guys are always on the ball.
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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11-07-2009, 01:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-07-2009, 01:17 AM by triplesix.)
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This to me sounds, at least on the surface, like a normal, real, 'going postal' type scenario that occasionally happens. What strikes me about some of the recent, suspicious, shootings like the Virgina Tech-related (Cho and Hasan) ones, the Jiverly Wong immigration center shooting and similar ones is the number of fatalities.

Most of the time a psycho has the chance in injure half a dozen people and kill a handful of them, some of these people are killing a dozen and injuring fifty or sixty people. It just seems weird.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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11-07-2009, 06:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-07-2009, 06:51 AM by Justinfinity.)
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I don't think there is anything normal about people snapping and killing each other. These are tuff times, it is only going to get worse - I've said this years ago. Its really bad when this becomes a 'normal' thing that happens - just your everyday psycho scenario, which seems to be happening. All of it is a mind-control op, basically. When 'normal' psychos snap, it is because of they way the sociopathic architects have designed our society. To any sane person, this should be expected, but to call this normal is crazy in itself, in my opinion.
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11-07-2009, 07:51 AM,
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Forgive me if I don't feel a little offended that you didn't give me the benefit of the doubt when measuring your perception of my words versus what you could best assume I was actually trying to say. I was using normal as a convenient quantitative adjective to differentiate certain acts of violence from others, not as an attempt to compare the general, over-arching concept of inflicting violence with the disputed, immeasurable quality of social 'normalcy.'

I usually discuss stories on ConCen specifically as to how they relate to conspiracy. If a story pops up that doesn't seem to be in some way the result of a conspiracy I don't give it too much weight because this is a conspiracy forum not a news forum. So my point really was that this Orlando killing spree seemed 'normal' in that it was not a conspiracy.

I sought to differentiate this set from what I am suspicious of as being some form of covert military psychological operation. I don't think that the government is capable of controlling thoughts directly, but I am suspicious of a combination of psychotropics, harassment, enabling (access to weaponry, locations, etc.), and psychological coercion, which would put someone in a position artificially to do an excessive amount of damage. These would be individuals who I would consider being manipulated in a conspiratorial manner towards committing acts of violence at specific times to fulfill specific goals.

The cases show a high amount of training, they are exceptionally accurate, the wounds they inflict are more severe, the casualty rates are higher, the political weight of the situation is more pronounced, they exhibit agoraphobia and repressed personality, they are connected through organizations or institutions, et al.

These are the criteria from which I was differentiating what I consider a 'suspicious killing spree' from a 'normal killing spree.'
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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11-07-2009, 08:03 AM,
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I'd have to agree with Triple 6. Normal in the sense that it isn't a contrived plan by TPTB. I'd be willing to bet they'll take advantage of this though.

Shouldn't there be yet 1 more? These things come in 3s.
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11-07-2009, 08:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-07-2009, 08:34 AM by Justinfinity.)
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Quote:Forgive me if I don't feel a little offended that you didn't give me the benefit of the doubt when measuring your perception of my words versus what you could best assume I was actually trying to say. I was using normal as a convenient quantitative adjective to differentiate certain acts of violence from others, not as an attempt to compare the general, over-arching concept of inflicting violence with the disputed, immeasurable quality of social 'normalcy.'

I usually discuss stories on ConCen specifically as to how they relate to conspiracy. If a story pops up that doesn't seem to be in some way the result of a conspiracy I don't give it too much weight because this is a conspiracy forum not a news forum. So my point really was that this Orlando killing spree seemed 'normal' in that it was not a conspiracy.

I sought to differentiate this set from what I am suspicious of as being some form of covert military psychological operation. I don't think that the government is capable of controlling thoughts directly, but I am suspicious of a combination of psychotropics, harassment, enabling (access to weaponry, locations, etc.), and psychological coercion, which would put someone in a position artificially to do an excessive amount of damage. These would be individuals who I would consider being manipulated in a conspiratorial manner towards committing acts of violence at specific times to fulfill specific goals.

The cases show a high amount of training, they are exceptionally accurate, the wounds they inflict are more severe, the casualty rates are higher, the political weight of the situation is more pronounced, they exhibit agoraphobia and repressed personality, they are connected through organizations or institutions, et al.

These are the criteria from which I was differentiating what I consider a 'suspicious killing spree' from a 'normal killing spree.'

My comment wasn't directed at you or what you said, otherwise I would have quoted you.

I know what you meant. What I was saying was that the entire thing (people killing each other, in general) is a conspiracy in its own. Lots of people will tend to write these things off as 'human nature' (because of how 'normal' it seems), and when shootings like the one in Texas happen (that do seem fishy, that it seems it could have a specific agenda behind it), it appears to be the same as pretty much any other 'normal' shooting. So when you get down into it all, its all a conspiracy regardless if there was any sort of special agenda behind the Texas shooting or not. So, again, this is what I'm saying. I wasn't specifically commenting on what you said.

This is my opinion, whether or not it is agreed with.
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11-07-2009, 01:22 PM,
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Quote:My comment wasn't directed at you or what you said, otherwise I would have quoted you.
Very well, then, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. Reading back the thread, I'm just gonna have to take your word for it, but if that's your story and you're sticking to it... :D
Quote:I know what you meant.
Sweet.
Quote:What I was saying was that the entire thing (people killing each other, in general) is a conspiracy in its own. Lots of people will tend to write these things off as 'human nature' (because of how 'normal' it seems), and when shootings like the one in Texas happen (that do seem fishy, that it seems it could have a specific agenda behind it), it appears to be the same as pretty much any other 'normal' shooting. So when you get down into it all, its all a conspiracy regardless if there was any sort of special agenda behind the Texas shooting or not. So, again, this is what I'm saying. I wasn't specifically commenting on what you said.
Cool, I didn't mean to come off confrontational. I just thought you were talking more directly to me. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion just like anybody else. It's all good. :beer:

I think there is a psychological predisposition to violence as long as certain prerequisites are met. It is kind of like it needs to be activated. Abuse, incest, what have you. This tends to result in violent pathology later in life. I think this is the real 'violent human nature,' the part that exists outside of self-awareness due to some malfunction or missing psychic component, separate from general selfish antipathy, oppression, subjugation, aggression, etc., which makes up >99% of violent behavior.

This violence co-exists with the perpetrator's own empathetic conscience, yet this aspect is suppressed and he's violent even though he knows better. Can this be called 'human nature? It is an interesting metaphysical debate though when you start to examine the human conscience, and the individuals who appear to have a lack thereof.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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