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The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
04-23-2009, 08:50 PM,
#76
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
The Devil never left, not so sure about Lucifier. Back on track though
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04-24-2009, 02:07 AM,
#77
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Hi..

Let's hope we are (back on track) Hilly7. I just finished reading the whole Lucifer story that started this off, having glanced at it last night and then read quite a lot of the subsequent feedback - and I see it's scared some of you!

Hmm... I know Lucifer, I am an initiate of both paths.. I think whoever chanelled 'him' (not really) there, got a lot of essence into it, but I still see a belief paradigm in the writing coming from the channel not Lucifer, so it was a mixture, there was a lot of Lucifer in it though. Lucy is not the devil.

I took my own trip into the darkness in the 1980s.. My story is similar really, I went in deliberately, fearlessly, because I wished to know. Remember I said before you have to know everything?

"Love everything that breathes" wrote G.I. Gurdjieff, and I knew he was right even when I first read it... I had realised the Buddhists were right about that.. At that stage I hadn't fully divined the difference between loving and liking though..

The whole message there is non-Judgement, and it's all important.. For example, Leo Zagami who also says he has experience with Lucifer, allows members of his forum to be marked with 'good /bad' kharma points! But then that fellow has a lot of contradictions, far more than the author of this Lucifer story here. 'Men' judging men.. fake 'men' judging real men. Real men know it is not their business to judge. Bad kharma among 'men' shows me I am doing my job right.

"Picture yourself in a boat on a river
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes

Cellophane flowers of yellow and green
Towering over your head
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes
And she's gone

Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Ah... Ah..."

Ah indeed... Ah so glasshopper..

Tally Ho

David

:-)



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04-24-2009, 02:33 AM,
#78
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Ok, I love the Beetles. The Lucy in the sky with diamonds (star)?

Bit deep though, not that I'm not intrigued, I am. Please tell of your trip.
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04-24-2009, 06:22 AM,
#79
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Ya got my attention too Black Lion. I'm not quite sure what it is but you seem familiar for some reason, do I know you???

JJ :rolleyes:
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04-24-2009, 08:49 AM,
#80
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
@Dhammer,
I hope you have sat down and thought about it for yourself,..
i don't want you to change your mind / heart but at your own account / belief.
your last post seemed to me like another attempt to defend an irrational assumption,..
I'm quite sure you can find the same , perhaps even a fuller sense /meaning in Jesus's words, (Love)
when leaving out the idea that you would have to have met him in person first.

@Black Lion, thanks for sharing,
If you would care to tell us of your experience in some more detail ; much appreciated.

John 3:14
where Jesus said “As Moses lifted up the Serpent, so the Son of man must be lifted up; that whoever shall believe in him shall have eternal life”

@Hilly,
thanks for the movie link, had never seen that.

@JobuJack.

Regarding your last comment,
please read the following ;

[url="http://www.thegodabovegod.com/index_files/Jim%20West%20Articles/Lucifer%20the%20Light- Wrote:link to source[/url]]One of the favorite rumors that fundy Christians like to spread against the Gnostics is that they supposedly worship Lucifer the light-bearer. Supposedly Gnostics worship this secret fallen angel of light who also challenged Jehovah in the form of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.

Now it is true that Gnostics typically don’t regard the Serpent in Eden in a negative light: but this is based on philosophical considerations and not on the literalistic proposition that the serpent in the garden should be venerated [1]. But of course I don’t expect fundies to understand issues of such intellectual complexity. In the eyes of fundies if you don’t simply believe their way then you’re a Satanist. And if you happen to believe in something that is really complex, then they’ll label you a Luciferian. The Luciferian label is often reserved for those people who are not overtly evil the way Satanists aspire to be. The Luciferians are those people who maintain a form of virtue and piety that is directed in opposition to the “Creator” i.e. Jehovah. In the eyes of fundies Luciferianism is like Satan Lite; it’s Satanism for clean people. (I have personally had these rationalizations and categories used on me by ‘fundy’ Christians.)

Certainly I cannot speak for all Gnostics in regard to the “Lucifer” issue. I can only speak for myself and for what I know about the Gnostic tradition and the history of religious ideas. I know for a fact that “Lucifer” originally was the name of a god in ancient Roman mythology. Lucifer was the son of the dawn goddess named Aurora; and the Romans named the planet we call “Venus” after him. Among the Romans Lucifer was identified with the morning star; and the word Lucifer literally means “light-bearer.” Among the Greeks Lucifer corresponded to Eosphoros in classical Greek, and to “Phosphoros” in later common Greek; again both names mean “light-bearer.” Eosphoros was the son of the dawn goddess whom the Greeks called Eos. (Note: I suspect that “Eos” is the source of the name for the Germanic dawn goddess festival “Eostre” which was celebrated in the spring. This in turn was the source of our word “Easter.” Webster’s New World Dictionary specifically identifies the word “Easter” as a name for the “dawn goddess.” If all this is correct then it appears that “orthodox” tradition has inadvertently named its Paschal observance after the mother of Eosphoros, a.k.a. Lucifer.)

The biblical origin of Lucifer begins in Isaiah 14:12, “How you are fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!” This quote is from the King James, but the Hebrew text says “How you have fallen from heaven O morning star, son of the dawn!” Note that the Hebrew text does not contain the proper name of any god. I have been unable to determine if the ancient Israelites actually identified the morning star with any angel or god. Among Semitic cultures in general the morning star was identified with the god Azizos (Azazel?). It is in the Greek Old Testament that the morning star was first identified with the name of a god. Apparently the words “son of the dawn” reminded the Hellenistic Jewish translators of Eosphoros in Greek tradition. Eosphoros is the Greek equivalent of Lucifer, and this was the source from which “Lucifer” entered into both Latin and English translations of the Bible, in both the Old and New Testaments (see below).

Having set forth some basic historical facts (and theories) regarding this name, I want to talk about the role of Lucifer in ancient Gnostic theology and myth. The simple fact here is that the Gnostics never used the names “Lucifer” or “Eosphoros” (or Phosphoros) in the age in which they lived. More important is that in the Gnostic scheme of the cosmos, Lucifer, the planet “Venus”, was identified with the seven celestial archons that governed the cosmos. The Gnostics regarded these as little more than fallen angels or demons. This is a common pattern shared by all Gnostic systems. Various Gnostic treatises provide lists of the seven powers that govern the cosmos (e.g. Apocryphon of John, 10-11, On the Origin of the World, 101). These names are meant to imply that the godhead of the Old Testament is divided into seven powers that correspond (like the pagan gods) to the seven days of the week. In the varying Gnostic lists it appears that the sixth power is named after “Adonin” or “Oraios”, or also: Oreus (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.30.11). The Anglican scholar Wigan Harvey identified the name Oreus as meaning “Light” (Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1, pg. 355, fn. 1; cf. Origin of the World, 101). If this is correct then I believe it’s probable that the names Oreus/Oraios may be an obscure reference to the “light-bearer.” In the Apocryphon of John this may correspond to “Adonin” which is given as the name of the sixth power (ibid., 10-11).

The essential point I’m trying to make is that “Lucifer” is a name for one of the planets which the Gnostics identified with the celestial archons. The Gnostics did not identify these archons with the Godhead. In Gnostic myth these powers guarded the celestial spheres that the soul had to travel through in order to return to the Pleroma. These archons were considered to be the servants of the cosmic villain Yaldabaoth. Later, in the Middle Ages, the Gnostic Cathars identified the Rex Mundi (world ruler) as Lucifer. It is highly significant that the Cathars regarded Lucifer as the Enemy, and as the evil god behind the papal theocracy (Edward Peters, Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, pg. 133f. W. Barnstone, M. Meyer, The Gnostic Bible, pg. 733f.).

Historically the Gnostics had no concept of the “morning star” in their symbolism. There is no “light-bearer” in ancient Gnostic tradition. If Gnostics today refer to Lucifer or the “light-bearer” then this is pure hyperbole. In modern Gnostic circles Lucifer is often equated with Prometheus. In Greek mythology Prometheus was a light-bearer who brought the knowledge of fire to humans in order to raise them from their impoverished condition. Zeus became jealous because the knowledge of fire-making, and other skills and arts, had been given to Humans. This is the common motif that is behind the concept of Lucifer today among Gnostics and atheists. Hence Lucifer-Prometheus is not an evil being. He is an enlightened rebel who opposes the jealousy and severity of Zeus/Jehovah. In this context Jesus, in the Gnostic tradition, can be compared to Lucifer-Prometheus. In like manner Jesus brings the Light/Knowledge of the Pleroma down to human kind. Now again, in comparing Jesus to Lucifer-Prometheus I’m describing a modern metaphor that I have heard used by other Gnostics. The ancient Gnostics never made this comparison in any extant text; nor do the Catholic Fathers ever accuse the Gnostics of revering Lucifer, or of identifying Jesus with Lucifer – either as a metaphor, or as literal doctrine.

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according to Blavatsky, and as far as i can tell, only according to Her,
pythagoras Labelled Venus "the second son" ,..which goes to explain
how it would be a challenger to "the first son,..in a mythological motif.

http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/HistoryOfAPlanet.htm Wrote:This story shall now be told for the benefit of those who may have neglected their astral mythology.
Venus, characterized by Pythagoras as the sol alter, a second Sun, on account of her magnificent radiance—equalled by none other—was the first to draw the attention of ancient Theogonists. Before it began to be called Venus, it was known in pre-Hesiodic theogony as Eosphoros (or Phosphoros) and Hesperos, the children of the dawn and twilight. In Hesiod, moreover, the planet is decomposed into two divine beings, two brothers—Eosphoros (the Lucifer of the Latins) the morning, and Hesperos, the evening star. They are the children of Astraios and Eos, the starry heaven and the dawn, as also of Kephalos and Eos (Theog., 378-82; Hyginus, Poeticôn Astronomicôn, II, xlii).* Preller, quoted by Decharme, shows Phaëton
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* [Caius Julius Hyginus—also Hygenus, Yginus and Iginus—was a celebrated grammarian, said by Suetonius to have been a native of Spain, and to have been brought to Rome after its capture by Caesar. He was a freedman of Augustus and was placed by him at the head of the Palatine Library. He was on intimate terms with Ovid and other literary men of the day. There are numerous references to his various works in Pliny, Gellius, Macrobius and others, evidencing that he was held in great respect; most of his works have perished. We have, however, two pieces in prose, nearly entire, which bear the name of Hyginus, but which, on account of their inferior language, may have been put together by someone else. These are: Fabularum liber, containing mythological legends and the genealogy of divinities; and Poeticôn Astronomicôn in four books, treating of the asterisms, the definition of astronomical terms, the constellations and the mythological legends attached to them. The best editions of both works are those in the Mythographi Latini of Muncker, Amsterdam, 1681, and in the Myth. Lat., of van Staveren, Lugd. Bat. and Amst., 1742.—Compiler.]
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identical with Phosphoros or Lucifer (Griechische Mythologie, I, 365).* And on the authority of Hesiod he also makes Phaëton the son of the latter two divinities—Kephalos and Eos.
Now Phaëton or Phosphoros, the “luminous morning orb,” is carried away in his early youth by Aphrodite (Venus) who makes of him the night guardian of her sanctuary (Theog., 986-991). He is the “beautiful morning star” (Vide St. John’s Revelation, xxii, 16) loved for its radiant light by the Goddess of the Dawn, Aurora, who, while gradually eclipsing the light of her beloved, thus seeming to carry off the star, makes it reappear on the evening horizon where it watches the gates of heaven. In early morning, Phosphoros “issuing from the waters of the Ocean, raises in heaven his sacred head to announce the approach of divine light.” (Iliad, XXIII, 226; Odyssey, XIII, 93-94; Virgil, Aeneid, VIII, 589; Decharme, Mythologie de la Grèce Antique, p. 247.) He holds a torch in his hand and flies through space as he precedes the car of Aurora. In the evening he becomes Hesperos, “the most splendid of the stars that shine on the celestial vault” (Iliad, XXII, 317-18). He is the father of the Hesperides, the guardians of the golden apples together with the Dragon; the beautiful genius of the flowing golden curls, sung and glorified in all the ancient epithalami (the bridal songs of the early Christians as of the pagan Greeks); he, who at the fall of the night, leads


namaste'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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04-24-2009, 10:19 AM,
#81
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Ok seriously, this thread is not about the Christian Bible or Jesus...it is about Lucifer

i started this by quoting what lucifer supposedly says , and its writen in the 1-st post : ''the darkness in our own souls '', or a wicked heart as the bible says and then it went on ...

Black Lion, i asked this before, how can you a mere human who lives 100 years at best channel and put trust in what an ancient spirit (6000 years old or more) says to you without questioning his motives ?

this is exactly what the person did in the article written. dont you see what this spirit does ? it denies the literal satan . does this make no sense to you at all ?
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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04-24-2009, 12:01 PM,
#82
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Dhammer Wrote:Black Lion, i asked this before, how can you a mere human who lives 100 years at best channel and put trust in what an ancient spirit (6000 years old or more) says to you without questioning his motives ?

That has me wondering...
Did you answer that question for yourself (before asking someone else) ?
How can You, a mere human with a limited lifespan,
Put Trust (faith) in what an ancient spirit (God through his son) says,... (without questioning the motives) ?

Dhammer Wrote:this is exactly what the person did in the article written.
dont you see what this spirit does ? it denies the literal satan . does this make no sense to you at all ?

It makes a lot of sense to me,
the person from the article in the OP, doesn't equate Lucifer with satan,
and does not believe in the existence of "a literal satan"...
Do you find it so hard to comprehend that many people (Christian and otherwise) do not believe in a literal satan,
and find the idea so damn absurd , that they refuse to even entertain the notion >?
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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04-24-2009, 02:51 PM,
#83
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
How can You, a mere human with a limited lifespan,
Put Trust (faith) in what an ancient spirit (God through his son) says,... (without questioning the motives) ?


yes this works both ways but this is is not the point, the point is the spirit might be lying.

so then why would you give the spirit more credibility than the bible ? how would you decide who is right ? why would you give the spirit more credibility than to the bible which , i think has never been proven wrong ? who is more likely to lie here ?


Do you find it so hard to comprehend that many people (Christian and otherwise) do not believe in a literal satan,
and find the idea so damn absurd , that they refuse to even entertain the notion >?


can you give me a quick idea as to why you think satan is not literal ?
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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04-24-2009, 03:16 PM,
#84
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Quote:
standvast Wrote:How can You, a mere human with a limited lifespan,
Put Trust (faith) in what an ancient spirit (God through his son) says,... (without questioning the motives) ?

yes this works both ways but this is is not the point, the point is the spirit might be lying.

so then why would you give the spirit more credibility than the bible ? how would you decide who is right ? why would you give the spirit more credibility than to the bible which , i think has never been proven wrong ? who is more likely to lie here ?
do not look for truth in books, written by your fellow creatures, who are liars. words cannot be truth they can only represent truth.
Truth is found in one's own heart from evaluation - blind subservience makes you a slave

at best, all literature, and the messages within, are no more than signposts:

when the sage points at the moon, all the idiot sees is the finger.


Vitam Impendere Vero
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04-24-2009, 05:12 PM,
#85
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
a few thoughts on the bible:

first off, it is foundational truth, generated within God's cosmic rhythms as integral to the divine plan. (that said however, so is every post on this board, every word every action, every thought... of everything since creation)

however, what must also be taken into account is that the bible – the squiggles on parchment – were scribed by the hand of man and interpreted by the mind of man. So, who were these men? Well certainly they will have you believe they were inspired by God and put into such positions by God. Technically one cannot but agree – all part of the divine plan. Yet, considering for one moment that all power corrupts and it is not possible to remove self interest from one's perspective or actions, we must be aware of potential discrepancies between the divine and ultimate truth of all and the Chinese whispers of truth we receive, and motivation of those delivering them.

And the first thing we must remember is that there is not a word, not a comma, in the bible which does not originate (beyond Truth) from the mind of someone holding power. This is patently obvious because of the fact they can write, a power withheld from the vast majority until little more than a century ago. One must also note, no one willingly relinquishes power (unless they have been terrified and oppressed).

So, from this perspective, one must look further, deeper than the literalism espoused by power holders, to the symbolism and subtleties hidden within.

Now, this is not to say i'm correct, for let us remember my ignorance and foolishness are insurmountable, however, given that I am not alone in this position, from my studies, here are a few pearls and perspectives I choose to read into the subtext of Genesis:

first off, although inspired by God, the words themselves actually come from humans in positions of authority who would see their power magnified at every opportunity. So let us not mistake structured authority for God (Truth): everything therefore which is attributed to God comes through this interface, with the intention of maintaining/expanding established power.

So, God (authority, male) gave man dominion over everything in the garden (except of course the tree, or trees) establishing a hierarchy, man above animals and plants and God's 'chosen' as still higher above. Sounds like a power play to me.

God tells man, not to eat from a certain tree, or trees: the tree of knowledge and the tree of life, which suggests male and female, if one is viewing with a Daoist perspective.

My first thought is, if God is so fucking smart and he didn't want man to eat from the tree, what on earth is HE doing putting it there in the first place? Sooner or later, given time, even by accident man is bound to taste it. So unless God is an idiot, authority are spinning us a line.

We should next note, God tells the man not to eat, not the woman (so she is not disobeying), and supposedly she is encouraged to eat by a serpent. Is this a real serpent? Or is it representative of something? Something authority would see crushed. From this perspective, the serpent can be seen as question and inquisitiveness. Anyway, the woman eats from the tree and sees that it is pleasing to the eye and good for gaining wisdom. Now, pleasing to the eye must mean expanded conciousness, because she didn't need to eat from the tree to see it, except in a spiritual sense.

Then she offers it to the bloke, and he sees they are naked. Brilliant! She sees wisdom and he gets a hard-on. Not only that but he feels vulnerable and frightened. So God challenges him and he blames it on the woman. A perfect excuse for this male deity, authority to condemn woman still further and vilify question and inquisitiveness.

The upshot of all this becomes humanity expelled from the garden and forced to work six days out of seven, so God's representatives on earth do not have to. Yeah, right.

And what's happened to this strange one tree/two tree while all this has been going on? It seems it has been banished to the east. No doubt for Shiva to bring it down from the mountain to see if some other culture might be more receptive. But that's another story:D

.

So, Serpent or Satan, or Lucifer must be seen as more than cartoon characters and mental idols. If you ever wish to master these forces and symbols first you must recognise what they represent within your being, and secondly how they are manipulated to make you conform within the structured hierarchy.


Vitam Impendere Vero
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04-24-2009, 06:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-24-2009, 06:11 PM by ---.)
#86
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
Quote:however, what must also be taken into account is that the bible – the squiggles on parchment – were scribed by the hand of man and interpreted by the mind of man. So, who were these men?

from about 55 minutes in - 420 IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

:Dj/k (but it's a good craic)
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04-24-2009, 06:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-24-2009, 06:40 PM by standvast.)
#87
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Dhammer Wrote:yes this works both ways but this is is not the point, the point is the spirit might be lying.

if the spirit "might be lying" , then it is surely incredibly important to understand that that works both ways,
meaning ;that it goes for the presumed "holy spirit" just as it does for the presumed "unholy spirit ".

Dhammer Wrote:so then why would you give the spirit more credibility than the bible ?

because the holy spirit exists,.. without the Bible to tell you about the holy spirit ,
but the Bible would not exist without the holy spirit which the bible talks about.

Honestly Dhammer, i can't understand how you can even ask me this question,...
Are you for yourself not able to assess that the spirit of al Life itself is more credible/important/Essential than any human reflections on it, written on pieces of paper ?

Dhammer Wrote:can you give me a quick idea as to why you think satan is not literal ?

:) sure,
I believe the terms "soul " and "spirit " (and thus "satan and god" ) relate to imagery,
not to actual Deities, existing in a realm unknown ,
but to human conceptualisations of personified/abstract energy,
energy requisite for the universe to beget order and make sense.
IOW ,when human's speak of either holy or unholy spirit, they reflect (primarilly/basically) upon themselves,
for nothing that they possibly witness, imagine, encounter or fantasize, can be determined to be any-"thing", without relating it to some"thing" else.
that some"thing" else, is the human(s) it/themselves...because as you have said many times , we are primarily orientating with/around An I , an Ego.
(whether that ego stops short at the epidermis of the body it inhabits , or encompasses universes ,.......... regardless.)

IMHO
It is only for pure Khaos (Hail Eris :D ) generally being unacceptible to humans (and thus their God - ideas) that we began this process of reflection anyways . lol ;)


namaste'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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04-25-2009, 03:15 AM,
#88
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
It's been a very long trip Standvast, and I don't think I could say much about it in less than maybe 3 volumes..

Except to say, L.Z. is right to state that Lucifer is a principality, but a principality is still a conscious entity and can be communicated with.. My trip down that lane began in the 1980s when I was initiated into the left hand path. This was inevitable I suppose, I need balance in my life. Soon after being birthed I was 'Christened' at Bath Abbey.. I was not asked if I wished this of course..

Later, I discovered the middle way.. after passing through many dangers, toils and snares you could say.. Innumerable rituals and even more innumerable mind-altering substances..

I'm quite happy talking of these matters today, but one never knows where to begin if no specific question is asked, such travails are too big and impossible to document, even mentally..

Hi Jobujack, I don't know, maybe we've met in cyberspace elsewhere? I've been a lot of places, including as 'Black Lion', which is my maternal family arms. 'Jack' is an uncommon name, and was also my grandfather's name.. Most Jacks are nicknamed from John...

To get back to that 'trip' Standvast.. it began for me in the early 'eighties when I was down on my life and all it had hitherto been.. I declared that both man and God were dead, beyond redemption, useless to any necessary purpose, and called on the devil for my truth.. less than a week later I was to meet the Satanist who would initiate me, in a tattoo shop. Synchronicity? Magic? Well, all that's since become commonplace in my life and now I am at least a little bit used to it.

But in a nutshell, all things are connected, all part of the same One Thing and you always get what you truly wish for.

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"THE most difficult thing is to know what we do know, and what we do not know.

Therefore, desiring to know anything, we shall before all else determine WHAT we accept as given, and WHAT as demanding definition and proof; that is, determine WHAT we know already, and WHAT we wish to know.

In relation to the knowledge of the world and of ourselves, the conditions would be ideal could we venture to accept nothing as given, and count all as demanding definition and proof. In other words, it would be best to assume that we know nothing, and make this our point of departure."

P.D. Ouspensky, Tertium Organum"
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"All magic is doing" - G.I. Gurdjieff.

Tally Ho

David

:-)

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04-25-2009, 03:41 AM,
#89
The Fallen Angel - A true story about Lucifer
I see there's a time delay between a post being made and it being registered as a new post on the Forum front page.. I did not see all those response after page 4 'till I had replied already.. Unfortunately that's all just too much to read in one session.. although I'd like to answer this question of DHammer..

"Black Lion, i asked this before, how can you a mere human who lives 100 years at best channel and put trust in what an ancient spirit (6000 years old or more) says to you without questioning his motives ?"

I'm sorry to say your question doesn't make sense to me, because in the first place not all humans are the same, many living a quantum factor longer than that piffling century you speak of, and in the second, mere human or otherwise, I believe nothing I cannot verify for myself, irrespective of the source, the devil, God Almighty, I don't care, if it can't be verified I am not interested in it..

You also asked..

"this is exactly what the person did in the article written. dont you see what this spirit does ? it denies the literal satan . does this make no sense to you at all ?"

This is even harder to answer because I do not know what *you* mean by 'literal', and even less, what you might think to be 'Satan'.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that you will not find Satan anywhere else if you have not found Satan in yourself. Satan is not Lucifer.

And that Bible which many of you place such great store by, was concocted out of the Seven Creation Tablets of ancient Sumeria, (Old Testament) and heavily expurgated and even altered. New Testament is a selective Church father created compendium. The Church is the State - the State is the Church. It was ever so.. since the days of Nero and Constantine.

6000 yrs! What kind of an idea is that? In any case I do not believe in time.

Tally Ho

David

:-)


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04-25-2009, 06:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-25-2009, 06:19 AM by ---.)
#90
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Quote:One thing I can tell you for certain is that you will not find Satan anywhere else if you have not found Satan in yourself.

*sigh* seems so - but how do we cast 'satan' out is my question.. possibly the species facilitates and manifests such as entity through archetype - perhaps 'casting out' isn't even in the equation.. at the moment whatever it is has free reign amongst us.
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