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Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
05-24-2012, 03:45 PM,
#1
Exclamation  Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
Date: 2012.05.24 01:23EDT
Subject: Found some of your other sites on that box....
Quote:Any of these ring a bell, Mr. Fraudster?

sirquestalot.com?
jionthecrowd.net?
othersdont.com?
thesamecrowd.com?

You're going DOWN, you rotten dirty jerk. You're making the ConCen community pay to host those other websites. That's FRAUD.

Date: 2012.05.24 02:09EDT
Subject: Randy Macneil?
Quote:randymacneil.com on his own IP address, eh? Hmmm....

I told you not to mess with me. You should have made amends when you had the chance.

---Shane

Date: 2012.05.24 03:45EDT
Subject: Paypal
Quote:To whom it may concern,



The website located at http://www.concen.org is running a bittorrent tracker located at http://concen.org/tracker/

This torrent site is chock full of tons and tons of copyrighted files, including audio, video, and even ebooks.



The PayPal TOS/AUP shows:

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer

safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, © items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods

including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f)

items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other

proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain

firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.


This website is in clear violation of (d) and (g).

The email address that donations are going to is: donate@concen.org


This person, Tom Potts, is using the PayPal service to receive 'donations' in order to pay for the colocation fees for his own personal server,

which are then being paid out to a hosting company named 3Z out of Canada. The hosting fees appear to be in the neighborhood of $150 per month,

and may be going up to $220/month if the users decide they want to move to an unlimited bandwidth package.


He is operating the website in violation of his own ISP's TOS. He has a list of items which are not allowed on the website, due to copyright owners

learning of them being illegally traded at his website, and demanding that they be pulled. In other words, he is operating it as an opt-out, rather than

opt-in, in terms of copyright. He expects copyright holders to notify him if they don't want their material listed, when his own ISP's rules clearly are

that he can't host them without the copyright holders express permission to do so.



If you have any questions or believe that I may help you in any way further about this matter, please do not hessitate to write me back.


---Shane

Date: 2012.05.24 04:19EDT
Subject: 3Z / torontointernetxchange
Quote:To whom it may concern,

Your company is providing colocation service for a customer named Thomas Potts. This customer is operating an illegal torrent sharing website

called 'ConCen' at http://www.concen.org. This website hosts a tracker located at http://concen.org/tracker/ , which is full of copyrighted

materials including audio, video, and ebooks.



Thomas Potts is running the ConCen website as a vehicle to provide funds for his business as a web developer / web hosting provider, under the

name of "FOScore". He is securing funds for the entire colocation fee from the ConCen members, and using that to prop up his web hosting / web

development business.

http://whois.arin.net/rest/customer/C02022505

This Arin data shows that FOScore has been assigned an IP range of 67.213.67.112 - 67.213.67.119, and ConCen is operating on the .114 extension.

Your company's TOS state:

ILLEGAL USE
The 3z Network may be used only for lawful purposes. Transmission, distribution or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or

regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual

property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, constitutes an illegal threat, or violates export

control laws.


Your company requires that the distribution of copyrighted materials only occur with the 'proper authorization' of the relevant copyright

holders. Mr. Potts, however, is under the misguided impression that he can operate in such a way as to require that the copyright holders

contact him if they want their material removed. In other words, your company has an 'opt-in' policy on distribution of copyrighted works, while

Mr. Potts is running ConCen as an 'opt-out' -- thereby placing the burden on the copyright holders to demand that he cease distribution, provided

they ever learn that such distribution is even taking place.


Mr. Potts said "I'm pretty confident that 3Z will tell him to go fuck himself", rather than lose his business. You can see a screen shot of him

saying so under his forum name "Yeti": http://prntscr.com/9m860 which is part of the thread located at http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?

tid=45830&page=4

I know nothing about your company, or what gives Mr. Potts that impression, but I am CCing torontointernetxchange.net , so that they will

be made aware as well.


If you have any questions or believe that I may help you in any way further about this matter, please do not hessitate to write me back.


---Shane


Because he sent the last two without a CC to PayPal or 3Z, I have no evidence he actually sent them. I'm guessing he hasn't and predicting he won't. Having said that though, it's obvious he's insane, so anything is possible...

Another point: he makes the false claim that ConCen hosts copyrighted material. He knows that trackers don't do this, so he is lying yet again to try to take us down. Slimier and slimier he gets...
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05-24-2012, 04:25 PM,
#2
RE: Epinnoia's emails to PayPal & 3Z
As I've said to the clown and anyone else who asks, I also have other domains on the server. One of them is http://truthdb.org which hosts a couple of radio archives which some of you will be familiar with.
  • None of them generate any revenue for me or anyone else, nor do I charge rent for them.
  • The combined traffic of all the non concen.org/truthdb.org sites is definitely under 1% and is probably more like < 0.1%
If any of those sites were to suddenly become a source of revenue, it would immediately be separated from concen.org/truthdb.org onto its own server to minimize hacking or bandwidth competition or hardware failure or any other potential problem. This is just common sense, which seems to be lacking in our sad little clown.

So if anyone has an objection to this state of affairs, speak up now. We'll take a poll, and if enough people want to (say 10%) I'll gladly boot concen.org off the server and be done with the whole fucking mess for good, because I sure as shit don't need the hassle!
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05-24-2012, 08:19 PM,
#3
RE: Epinnoia's emails to PayPal & 3Z

Well if he did send them, he's a special kind of asshole. This is as bad as any government behavior. That's all I can say.

Countless members have been banned but not one of them has stooped this low.

I'm with you on this Tom. Not the banning stuff though. LOL
05-24-2012, 08:58 PM,
#4
RE: Epinnoia's emails to PayPal & 3Z
someone needs to light this guy´s ass hairs on fire.
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05-25-2012, 06:09 AM,
#5
RE: Epinnoia's emails to PayPal & 3Z
It's official: The asshole has sent the emails off to 3Z and PayPal. He made sure he CC'd me when he did it.
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05-25-2012, 06:50 AM,
#6
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
That's what he said in the cybersage chat at 12:55 am

Epinnoia Wrote:Epinnoia: zapoper: The emails were sent. Not long ago, actually. I took things very slow, giving him an opportunity to change his behavior/decision every single step along the way. Now, the die is cast.
05-25-2012, 07:06 AM,
#7
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
(05-25-2012, 06:50 AM)zapoper7 Wrote: That's what he said in the cybersage chat at 12:55 am

So I suppose there are people over there that think he did a good thing?

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05-25-2012, 07:18 AM,
#8
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
I don't remember anyone supporting it really. Scorpio and I did not support him and made it clear today.

At first I thought it might be a bluff to get attention and all but yesterday I started to think it was real so I changed my mind about him.

Just read the chat history.
05-25-2012, 07:38 AM,
#9
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
Bracing for blowback. I'm curious as much as I am unhappy about this development. It was bound to happen later or sooner. If and when we are presented with a hurdle I'm sure we'll stand tall.

That said we could use a plan to act not be railroaded into a reactive stance.

From a philosophical angle I'd go the no-lawyers route and stand for ourselves and our community as ourselves and a community direct and unfiltered with no middle man.

Realistically I suppose the best course of action is subject to debate. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. 3Z is comprised of a human element that should be receptive to our stance. We're their customer, Epinnoia has no footing on that front.

Now the fact he put up Tom for crucifixion should not be taken lightly. It's a clever move in dissociating him from the "rest of us" but ConCen (Conspiracy Central) is a mature community founded a long time ago. It was built on our discussions, our work and those contributions will not and cannot be relegated to copyright infringement.

Why? Simply put we, collectively and individually, do no harm. If someone even perceives some sort of harm in the sharing of their material we present them with recourse to delist the conduit to facilitate sharing among the members of our community.

Members, in turn, offer a value added service of voluntary distribution by allocating bandwidth, ratings and discussion of the material and content presented.

Epinnoia will do what he will do and he did it. Really it could have been anybody but coming from a guy who should (or at least could) know better than to employ a scorched earth act of vengeance. I just hope he learns something about himself when reflecting his action. Wish you the best Epinnoia.

Derived from personally received and observed testimony so many people have experienced growth, on one level or another, that is directly attributed to the existence of this site and our fellow members.

Whatever the case, whatever the outcome. I'm confident that ConCen members will continue to take with them from their experience here and incorporate it into their being and action, branching out as themselves unto their möbius of influence.

No matter how hard the hammer comes down, if at all as a result of this deeply disturbed lone voice set on revenge/rocking the boat/temporary insanity. The intent is discouraging but really ...

can't kill an idea.
can't neuter a community.
can't dissociate a true connection.

Maybe this is a good thing.

Consider the potential death of ConCen hub - however unlikely it may be as instigated by this single misguided fellow. Get your ConCen buddies emails, phone numbers, skype and mumble handles keep in touch with those you want to keep in touch with, they ain't gonna stop be creative and thinking like their is no box... fracture and disperse into a thousands of spores to implant ideas throughout the cyber and meat space, if you aren't already doing that already.

Final Note: SuperFuck you folks at PayPal you're usurous leeches and their are plenty of other options without a PayPal tax. Convenience is overrated.
There are no others, there is only us.
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05-25-2012, 08:01 AM,
#10
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
His name is Shane Johns. He lives in Fort Wayne Indiana, so it shouldn't be too hard to get his physical address and phone #.
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05-25-2012, 08:33 AM,
#11
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
Yeti... I feel obligated to mention that I find it deplorable to release someone's data like that. While shitting down the server is a bit extreme, I find it is fair to point out that Epinnoia thought the little argument was over.
Quote:Assuming that the 100Mbps line is the same as it is now, and as long as you think the donation levels will support it, and are willing to go back to the spending levels where we are CURRENTLY if it doesn't, I would agree with you that the problem IS solved. *shakes hands* :Wave:

While it is too late now, did it really have to get this far? That is just my three and a half cents on the issue.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
05-25-2012, 02:30 PM,
#12
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
My question is, If I wanted to donate with a postal money order (but postal money orders are not valid out of the U.S.) what other methods are there to donate? Do we send the donation to you Yeti (Tom) or someone else?

I rather not do pay-pal, personal checks or cash.
"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981



05-25-2012, 02:46 PM,
#13
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
(05-25-2012, 08:33 AM)Anarchist Wrote: Yeti... I feel obligated to mention that I find it deplorable to release someone's data like that. While shitting down the server is a bit extreme, I find it is fair to point out that Epinnoia thought the little argument was over.
Quote:Assuming that the 100Mbps line is the same as it is now, and as long as you think the donation levels will support it, and are willing to go back to the spending levels where we are CURRENTLY if it doesn't, I would agree with you that the problem IS solved. *shakes hands* :Wave:

While it is too late now, did it really have to get this far? That is just my three and a half cents on the issue.


No off course it didn't have to go this far. the shake hands offer wasn't taken, cause that would imply equality instead of dominance.

This is what you get when people try to dominate the wrong people, it gets out of hand.

( up until mr annoya sent his email peace was still an option, yeti didn't take it and now the whole community suffers )
05-25-2012, 02:51 PM,
#14
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
(05-25-2012, 02:30 PM)shortwave Wrote: My question is, If I wanted to donate with a postal money order (but postal money orders are not valid out of the U.S.) what other methods are there to donate? Do we send the donation to you Yeti (Tom) or someone else?

I rather not do pay-pal, personal checks or cash.

On the tracker homepage where the donation block sits, there is a snail mail option for people who don't want to use paypal.

05-25-2012, 05:00 PM,
#15
RE: Epinnoia has sent the emails to PayPal & 3Z!!
(05-25-2012, 08:33 AM)Anarchist Wrote: Yeti... I feel obligated to mention that I find it deplorable to release someone's data like that.

You do huh? You think that when someone emails you threatening to destroy a site used by thousands of people that he deserves anonymity, even though he himself does not think he deserves it. How interesting. Please explain why people like him deserve to be protected from the people they are trying to harm.

(05-25-2012, 08:33 AM)Anarchist Wrote: Epinnoia thought the little argument was over.

I suppose one can make up lies to publicly insult someone and then expect their target to just forget about it. "I publicly dragged your name through the mud, but let's just shake on it and move on". That's an unreasonable expectation. I have a right to defend myself, and nothing you or anyone else says can take that right away.

(05-25-2012, 08:33 AM)Anarchist Wrote: While it is too late now, did it really have to get this far?

Why are you asking me? Shouldn't you be asking him?

The guy publicly libelled me when he said I was defrauding the members. At that point he had to be banned, so I banned him. WTF man, do you really think I could let that pass?

He could have easily registered under another name/email within seconds. Instead he chose to try to shut down a service he himself used. Yet somehow you see this creep's actions as within the realm of reason, or my actions as somehow unreasonable.

You can continue to question my actions in this matter, but frankly I'm done wasting my time trying to explain myself to you.
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