Poll: $150 capped or $220 no cap?
$150 per month 1TB cap, no server seeding or FTP
$220 per month no cap, lots of server seeding and FTP
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$220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
05-22-2012, 08:17 PM,
#1
Question  $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
The colo company where the server currently resides currently charges us $150 for a 100Mbps line with up to 1 Terabyte of data throughput per month. Anything over that is $0.25 per GB.

They offer another plan for $220 (with the same 100Mbps line, despite the rantings of Epinnoia) per month with unlimited data throughput.

The fact is that it is possible to keep the existing plan, but I would have to basically shut down any seeding from the server. Many of you have benefitted from the server's seeding by seeing huge throughput on new an popular torrents. All this would go away now that they are metering the server.

Another $70 per month (plus taxes) gets us all the fast seeding, and also FTP of radio archives etc.

I haven't made a commitment to the unlimited plan, and am willing to take it through June to see how painful no server seeding is.

So I'm asking you which you would prefer. $150 per month limited or $220 per month unlimited.
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05-23-2012, 12:18 AM,
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RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
don´t know how to vote on this... If I could afford to kick down financially, I´d to go w/220, but since I can´t, I can´t afford to vote that way either.
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05-23-2012, 01:42 PM,
#3
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
If we had a lot of extra cash in the donation kitty we could justify considering an extra (almost a) 50% hike in server fees, but until then I wouldn't consider it an option - especially if we had to lock in longer term for the package deal.

Server seeding makes for a faster download but patience will always rule.

There are free FTP hosts still, no need to host them directly on ConCen (although it would be a nicety). PM me if you want an URL or 2 for a free FTP setup without all the hassle of MegaUpload, RapidShare et al. But we're a Tracker and Forum first, not a file host... and maybe a Wiki too if there was more participation from everyone on that front - myself included.

1TB per month is more than enough bandwidth for the forum and straight of P2P BT with no superseeding.
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05-23-2012, 11:56 PM,
#4
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
You said:
"It's been because of me seeding lots and lots of great stuff from the server."

DON'T DO IT!!!

Don't get me wrong, yeti. I apreciate anyone kicking in bandwidth, but just hosting this site is enough. Let the members do the seeding!!
I've kept a high ratio and it's been pretty easy.
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05-24-2012, 12:03 AM,
#5
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
use advertising.
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05-24-2012, 01:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-24-2012, 01:15 AM by rmstock.)
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RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
Check around with friends if they have a fiber connection at home, and maybe
find a way to get such a fiber 100M/100M up/down in your own place.
Here in NL the offerings for such connections are always flatfee, no
metering or bandwidth crap, but there is always the fair use policy.
So no sickening material. At xs4all.nl a fiber 100M connection is offered for EUR 55
http://www.xs4all.nl/klant/glasvezel/ which amounts to $70 flatfee.
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05-24-2012, 02:22 AM,
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RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
(05-24-2012, 01:06 AM)rmstock Wrote: Check around with friends if they have a fiber connection at home, and maybe find a way to get such a fiber 100M/100M up/down in your own place.

There is nothing like that in Canada for home use which doesn't include a cap and a massive monthly cost.

(05-24-2012, 01:06 AM)rmstock Wrote: Here in NL the offerings for such connections are always flatfee, no metering or bandwidth crap, but there is always the fair use policy. So no sickening material. At xs4all.nl a fiber 100M connection is offered for EUR 55 http://www.xs4all.nl/klant/glasvezel/ which amounts to $70 flatfee.

Nothing even close to that in Canada. I'm guessing the USA is the same.

Maybe someone in NL should run ConCen!

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05-24-2012, 05:00 AM,
#8
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
Why don't you find someone to partner with to advertise on your site for some decent product like I suggested in an email to the tracker suggestion email. If you want to make a change, then you have to start supporting concrete things as a site, and not simply provide a service of being a tracker and forum. If you don't want to make a change, stick with what you can afford at the 1TB level.
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05-24-2012, 03:31 PM,
#9
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
Dear Yeti:

As an European, I think you should CHARGE "donations" for the amount users download, for example:

3Gb->$8; 10Gb->$16; 25Gb->$20, going up etc.

WE, the users, must take the responsability: if you, the user, say that you cannot afford but you have a job, then work HARDER and get the money; if you have no job, QUALIFY yourself, be tough with yourself, and get a job in anything, in any part of the world, but behave like an adult, and GIVE!

Maria
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05-24-2012, 10:19 PM,
#10
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
(05-24-2012, 03:31 PM)londres Wrote: Dear Yeti:

As an European, I think you should CHARGE "donations" for the amount users download, for example:

3Gb->$8; 10Gb->$16; 25Gb->$20, going up etc.

WE, the users, must take the responsability: if you, the user, say that you cannot afford but you have a job, then work HARDER and get the money; if you have no job, QUALIFY yourself, be tough with yourself, and get a job in anything, in any part of the world, but behave like an adult, and GIVE!

Maria

OK, I don't speak much here but I do use the tracker often and have done so since the old days of Conspiracy Central and CTRL. I agree with londres that we need to take responsibility but I don't agree with his methods. His plan seems a bit steep in the $$$ department. I also don't like advertising and think that should be considered as a last resort option.

Here's what I see as workable. The tracker has been free to use and it's been a very nice place to get some real good stuff. But the reality is this; it costs $$$ monthly to keep it going and depends solely on donations. How many people are members? Hundreds? Thousands? I don't see a subscription service at say $1.00 per month as a great burden for unlimited access. That's only $12.00 a year and darn well worth it too. You have 150 subscribers and you'll have your $150.00 covered for a year. Have 220 subscribers and you'll have enough $$$ to seed from the server and provide FTP service. I could see this "subscription" as a two tiered plan. Subscribe for the year and pay your $1.00 per month for unlimited access, or, choose a free option with a limited access.

I would be willing to subscribe for unlimited service at that reasonable rate and I'm betting others would be willing as well. The free option will assure that everyone will still have access too.

Subscribers just set up auto pay in their PayPal accounts and there's no more depending on donations.

Just my 42 cents worth.

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05-24-2012, 10:20 PM,
#11
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
$150 for a 100Mbps line with up to 1 Terabyte of data throughput per month.
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05-24-2012, 11:58 PM,
#12
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
have a trial with using advertising.
seriously.
if it works and doesn't ruin the site, good.
if not use money bombs.
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05-25-2012, 12:12 AM,
#13
RE: Should ConCen pay $220 unlimited or $150 1TB?
I´m kinda anti paypal and ads. I would hope most others are too.

I also think a pay-to-play type set-up would dwindle overall membership and hurt the amount of total uploaders... I personally think that this Alexandrian library of truth got to be the juggernaut it is because of all the members´ eyes and ears scanning their surroundings for every nugget of info they can find and then throwing them up in the forum or on the tracker. if there´s an entry fee, the spectrum of content would diminish.

I wouldn´t mind a demanded ratio limit and an opportunity to raise ratio via donation, that might build income. That way those that tax the site get booted or are forced to contribute somehow. Then again, that means more work for Yeti or somebody w/o getting paid for it...
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05-25-2012, 10:04 PM,
#14
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
I hope that those who voted for the added costs are willing to fork something out for donations. I'm tired of hearing so many sad sacks say that can't afford it. It's a pathetic and sad excuse, given that they have a computer and internet access.
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05-26-2012, 12:21 AM,
#15
RE: $220 a month unlimited or $150 for 1TB a month?
I am happy with whichever plan is agreed, so long as concen doesn't disappear ... because in these trying times its probably one of the best places to obtain the latest info on what's going on in the world...
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