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[split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
05-22-2012, 10:15 AM,
#31
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(05-22-2012, 06:34 AM)KM1 Wrote: If the guy has everything figured out why doesn't he have his own shindig like ConCen? Hmmm?

I was thinking the same thing, that guy should be running his own Facebook making billions instead of complaining about some conspiracy torrent site.


(05-22-2012, 06:34 AM)KM1 Wrote: How many members does ConCen have? I think between all of us we can cover the extra cost to keep this unique treasure trove of wonders up and running. I'm broke as hell but I'll go collect cans on the freeway or something if I have to to pitch in my share.

I don't have a pot to piss in (broke here too), if there is a place to send money orders to (instead of pay-pall) I might be able to scrounge up a few bucks.

I have been trying to do my part in other ways, such like keeping a high ratio and helping with seeding....
Downloaded: 343.85 GB
Uploaded: 1.65 TB
Ratio: 4.92

I do not agree with some of what Yeti says or how he does some things around here.

However.....

He keeps the site going and it runs smoothly and the site rarely if ever goes dark even for maintenance and that fact speaks volumes and it is appreciated by me and hopefully others as well.



"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981



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05-22-2012, 12:28 PM,
#32
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges

Is Concen hosted from out of Canada?

Ithat would be a problem actually, given the fact that Canada has no free speech.

at least the USA has the first amendment so I think it is better for any conspiracy site to be hosted from the USA.


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05-22-2012, 01:17 PM,
#33
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
I guess a place like this attracts a few... eh...odd people (including me of course).
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05-22-2012, 02:28 PM,
#34
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This behavior and language is so uncalled for. My first response is, if you don't like and you seem to know so much, go and get one of your own. Second, running a site - any site - takes time and money. Based on the little I know about hosting and the like, I would say there is no "lining of pockets" or whatever - this person is truly delusional.

I don't know much about DOS but I think he warrants a wake up call....sorry, got a bit snarky there. But shut him up!

This is a nice community and has great content...
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05-22-2012, 03:12 PM,
#35
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
The site has always been hosted from Canada and we have as much "free speech" here as the united States of America has.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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05-22-2012, 03:51 PM,
#36
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges

(05-22-2012, 03:12 PM)icosaface Wrote: The site has always been hosted from Canada and we have as much "free speech" here as the united States of America has.

Ernst Zündel would beg to differ about our great free speech here in Canada.
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05-22-2012, 04:05 PM,
#37
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
I'm definitely a bit crushed over the escalation of this situation. Unsure

Dear Epinnoia: I understand this is an argument between you and Yeti… but you'r no longer attacking him, but instead, our entire community, and the near decade worth of our individual and collective hard work and efforts towards the greatest cause I could ever fathom !! Umm

Retaliation like this shows me that you could care less about anything anyone is trying to accomplish here. How horribly sad.
Just know that if you pursue this onslaught on our community… you'd be hurting hundreds of people and not just our Systems Operator. Shouldn't that be obvious when threatening to embark upon a large scale site sabotage ? ?

Please reconsider the bombs your threatening to drop on our entire infrastructure and all of the civilians of ConCen. Icon_neutral

I think the greatest suggestions YOU'VE been given Epinnoia… were when other members advised that you should start your own tracker if you think you can do better. Go for it, but a revengeful counterattack on a high traffic site, because you got into an argument with ONE out of EIGHT of our administrators is beyond unnecessary. Content

*more then very concerned
~April
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05-22-2012, 05:37 PM,
#38
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
Too bad the tracker and forum are 1. I have never signed up for the tracker. Public trackers are never a good idea. This guy and the legalities quoted by him as ammo are the exact reasons why.

Yeti- Have you actually received stuff from lawyers? Is this guy willing to fund the lawsuit? Or is this all hot air?
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05-22-2012, 06:35 PM,
#39
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
(05-22-2012, 05:37 PM)ToddTraf Wrote: Have you actually received stuff from lawyers? Is this guy willing to fund the lawsuit? Or is this all hot air?

I haven't received anything yet. He's most likely relying on the colo company and PayPal shutting us down voluntarily, without a demand by lawyers. PayPal has been known to do this. As for 3Z, they're an unknown at this point...
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05-22-2012, 08:41 PM,
#40
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I just received this via email:

Subject: Still not willing to undo your mistake?
Epinnoia Wrote:Are you sure? I realize you're in a position where it is very hard for you to now go back and undo what you did without opening yourself up to the same problems later from other users. But that is your doing, not mine. You're the one who made the extremely public display of not only my emails, but my email address too. which, by the way, got only two replies -- one in support of me. And one who seemed to think that you owned ConCen rather than only the server. I set him straight, of course.

While I hardly take a creep such as Epinnoia's word as trustworthy, I'm wondering if he's right - that only one person emailed him to set him straight. If it's true, then apathy could well be the death of this place...

Epinnoia Wrote:I have given you more chances than you gave me. But you at least seem to recognize that you're not operating from any position of power now, given your latest message in that thread. You know PayPal will do it, or will likely do it, if I send it out to them. And your colo facility has a policy that expressly forbids the sharing of copyright material without permission of copyright holders. That's an opt-in system, not the opt-out system that you have implemented. You're surely smart enough to know that.

I have been extremely patient with you. You see, I DO have the power in this case. And notice my reluctance to use it? You should have had the same reluctance when dealing with me. You had to know that I wasn't just some stupid uneducated fool that you might ordinarily deal with. I gave you no reason to ban you. I wasn't trolling either, because I was responding to your responses. In fact, if you go back and look, I had considered it settled and even put in *shakes hands* prior to your deciding to go one more round.

So is your ego really going to put the whole operation at risk? Can you not admit that you went overboard here? And if you want to save face, go ahead and put it to the vote with your mods. I don't need an apology from you. I want the ban removed. If you won't do that, just say so. I want some finality here.

----Shane

C'mon people - it's time to get off the fence. This creep is serious. Are you?

If you are, send him an email and post a copy here so he can't lie about receiving it.
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05-22-2012, 09:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2012, 09:37 PM by Whitetrash.)
#41
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Quote: C'mon people - it's time to get off the fence. This creep is serious. Are you?

If you are, send him an email and post a copy here so he can't lie about receiving it.


Seems if you sent him just one email Yeti, this would all end. After all this is "your" fight.
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05-22-2012, 09:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2012, 09:42 PM by shortwave.)
#42
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I have to say this, when I first saw that one person could shut down ConCen, it reminded me of the threats that Cass Sunstein made awhile ago. I wonder if anyone else was thinking the same. I am NOT saying that is the case, but I could not help but wonder.

We that read that Cass Sunstein will be going to different conspiracy oriented forums and sites and causing disruption and problems. This is a conspiracy oriented site after all...

If I am off base, OK... but one has to look at all the angles...And I am NOT accusing anyone of anything. I have to be objective.

http://klein.wp.wnd.com/2012/01/12/obama-czar-proposed/

Just prior to his appointment as President Obama’s so-called regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein wrote a lengthy academic paper suggesting the government should “infiltrate” social network websites, chat rooms and message boards.

Such “cognitive infiltration,” Sunstein argued, should be used to enforce a U.S. government ban on “conspiracy theorizing.”

Among the beliefs Sunstein classified as a “conspiracy theory” is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.

The find comes as a government document reportedly relates the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s command center routinely monitors dozens of popular websites, including Facebook, Twitter, Hulu, WikiLeaks and news sites including the Huffington Post and Drudge Report.

Reuters reported that a “privacy compliance review” issued by DHS last November confirms that since at least June 2010, the department’s national operations center has been operating a “Social Networking/Media Capability” which involves regular monitoring of “publicly available online forums, blogs, public websites and message boards.”

The government document states such monitoring is meant to “collect information used in providing situational awareness and establishing a common operating picture” to help manage national or international emergency events.

While the DHS may be monitoring websites for security reasons, Sunstein advocated such actions with another goal in mind.

Sunstein’s official title is Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

In a 2008 Harvard law paper, “Conspiracy Theories,” Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule, a Harvard law professor, ask, “What can government do about conspiracy theories?”

We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories.”

In the 30-page paper – obtained and reviewed by KleinOnline – Sunstein argues the best government response to “conspiracy theories” is “cognitive infiltration of extremist groups.”

Continued Sunstein: “We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.”

Sunstein said government agents “might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action.”

Sunstein defined a conspiracy theory as “an effort to explain some event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.”
"They scare us all with threats of war. So we forget just how bad things are." 'Open Your Eyes' - Lords Of The New Church 1981



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05-22-2012, 09:44 PM,
#43
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
I think he gets a kick from felling that he has the power to destroy this place. So why should we let him continue to feel that way? After all, what is so special about about him? anyone could shut this place down in the same way as he threatens to do. Just disregard him!
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05-22-2012, 10:09 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2012, 10:27 PM by Frank2.)
#44
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Eppinoia is keeping an extremely close eye on this thread. No doubt, I imagine he is getting a fair amount of excitement from the situation now that he has "the POWER", as he says.

I won't be sending any emails: I will write what I think on this thread to him. It is against the protocol of concen to publish any users' private information and I know that all too clearly.

Eppinoia, wants his account reinstating. after threatening to take the site down..this seems a bit rich to me. He should agree to the community taking a vote on this, if that's what it takes, as it is the community he has threatened. Not just yeti. I don't think you will do too well in that though..70/30 i'd say - yeti has detractors, but no concener likes someone threatening to scuttle the site, Eppinoia. I'd vote against your re-instatement, in fantasy land where there even was a vote, i'd vote against you.

I think the response you received was unfortunate but you really went beyond the pale with the nature of your threats. Make a new account, lick your wounds, forget about it and desist with the bitch threats

yeti handled the situation terribly and hopefully this debacle will serve as engaging some manner of personal review of communication skills.

I do not take lightly the dedication, passion and time he puts into keeping this site alive.

But equally, I didn't feel comfortable with the manner the suggestions for frugality were treated either. If I have to listen to a radio show a day or three later than the original broadcast and it saves money for donators - I don't give a hell about the wait. I am still thankful. And I have donated before too. The core edifice is not freefalling as yet and it isn't defcom 1 right now either is maximum efficiency really more important than frugality at this point in time? I thought this question was left unresolved. THIS question SHOULD be a community decision. Because the community pays for the site in $ AND bandwidth AND files and this cannot be overlooked. I get the impression that others reading and posting on the thread might have felt in a similar manner too.



Eppinoia, if you were to carry this adrenalin fevered threat through - you are slowing down how fast people are waking up...YOU are threatening to stop MANY people accessing what is often IMPORTANT KNOWLEDGE ergo, you are either willing to be a useful idiot, work for the cabal or conversely care more about your ego than ending human slavery.

Basically, if you are an honourable being, a real truth seeker, really standing in opposition to the actual elite, then, simply, you shoot yourself in the foot for the rest of your life if you attack concen, like you threaten to do.

and although there is a dictum which rightly states:

power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

there is also another one, equally true:

karma is a bitch

I can only hope your ethics are based moreso on honour not vindictiveness.





“The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.” Travis Walton
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05-22-2012, 10:16 PM,
#45
RE: [split] Server Bandwidth Overage Charges
LOL - reminds me of my InBox when I ban similar types from a site I Mod on.

Shut Down the PayPal Account? - you have to prove that goods and or services are being sold illegally for that to happen. The sign clearly says "Donate" nd no goods or services have changed hands

Get the Server Provider to shut down ConCen? - good luck with getting a profit-driven business to do that without an injunction or cease & desist order.

& if they do? Well, there's plenty of other countries with plenty of other servers. it's a mild inconvenience; usually the sites I've seen this happen to are back up & running within days.

Meanwhile, the Staff has the email address and the IP history of the butt-hurt which can be passed on to Admins of other sites who can also ban the range(s). Hell, you could even set up a fake business using butt-hurt's email address for PayPal & get him banned from it........aren't internet cafes awesome?

No, I won't be emailing butt-hurt; no need to. He has no idea WTF he is talking about.

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