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Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
04-14-2012, 01:46 AM,
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In a world where so much is cheapened and corrupted I propose we at least try to support those who buck that trend via commerce. We can take on the initiative to compile and vet the the ethical companies, products, services and businesses that attempt to compete while not compromising ethics for profit.

A few guidelines:

* Must treat their employees well. Non-exploitative wages and safe work environments.
* Must respect ecology across the supply chain by not polluting their environment, not using strip mining companies for raw resources etc..
* Respect for the customer.
* A quality product and/or service.

These can include NPOs, Charities and Commercial Ventures. Ideas for new commercial and non-commercial offerings are also valid.

Post them all big and small.
There are no others, there is only us.
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04-14-2012, 05:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2012, 05:48 AM by capob.)
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
(04-14-2012, 01:46 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: In a world where so much is cheapened and corrupted I propose we at least try to support those who buck that trend via commerce. We can take on the initiative to compile and vet the the ethical companies, products, services and businesses that attempt to compete while not compromising ethics for profit.

A few guidelines:

* Must treat their employees well. Non-exploitative wages and safe work environments.
* Must respect ecology across the supply chain by not polluting their environment, not using strip mining companies for raw resources etc..
* Respect for the customer.
* A quality product and/or service.

These can include NPOs, Charities and Commercial Ventures. Ideas for new commercial and non-commercial offerings are also valid.

Post them all big and small.

Back in 2008 I had a similar idea. I posted on the prisonplanet forum:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=71336.0

I started a "think tank" called FOSTT (free and open society think tank) at fostt.org (no longer up). I even got the site usblacklist.com with the intent of having a list of companies and people that routinely acted in malevolent or careless manners (I was pretty active during that period. Even tried to make a conspiracy wiki called "conspiki"). The problem is, although the idea was good, like yours, the execution was not.

Simply posting companies in response to this thread would be not very fruitful. In order to be effective, there would have to be a searchable, update-able, comment-able site for the purpose of reputation. This is something I had been thinking about for a while, but owing to what I considered a lack of interest, I never built it.

If you can get 10 people interested in contributing on a reputation like site, where reputation of company and people are recorded (don't worry about the details, I am good at designing systems), I will build a site for that. in fact, I already own a domain that I considered using this way -> "deemit.com".

EDIT:

Eh, I'll make it easier. 5 People in total (apart from me) convincingly willing to contribute to the project.
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04-15-2012, 06:21 AM,
#3
RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Funny how people seem to be so interested in news-entertainment and saving their own asses by researching and investing in survivalist and health stuff, and so uninterested in actually working to solve larger problems. As ants discovered a long time ago, alone, we are nothing, but together, we can thrive.
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04-15-2012, 04:03 PM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Quote:In order to be effective, there would have to be a searchable, update-able, comment-able site for the purpose of reputation.

psst .. that's the plan ;)

An associate of mine and I are working on it now as a side project, hoping to become more. In depth unbiased reviews are better than comments we felt though. That said, companies are up for submission and will be thoroughly vetted.

We're meeting again on Monday. Thanks for the feedback so far capob.
There are no others, there is only us.
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04-15-2012, 05:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-15-2012, 05:18 PM by capob.)
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
(04-15-2012, 04:03 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:
Quote:In order to be effective, there would have to be a searchable, update-able, comment-able site for the purpose of reputation.

psst .. that's the plan Wink

An associate of mine and I are working on it now as a side project, hoping to become more. In depth unbiased reviews are better than comments we felt though. That said, companies are up for submission and will be thoroughly vetted.

We're meeting again on Monday. Thanks for the feedback so far capob.

"In order to be effective, there would have to be a searchable, update-able, comment-able site for the purpose of reputation." This wasn't intended to mean restrict to commenting - it was used to be succinct - as reviews are also comments. In fact, if you read the first post on the link I added, it was my intention that the site be used to endorse companies, candidates, and to blacklist companies and people (ie, more than just review, but put the backing of the site behind). And, separately, if by "In depth unbiased reviews", you mean to have editors for the purspose of publishing info about companies, that system is subject to restrictions on growth.

"We're meeting again on Monday." Ok, well, don't take too long!

I would imagine that if concen wanted to effect change, they would need to start throwing their own weight around. That is, I would imagine only some percentage of concen users visit the forum (I never visited the forum until it was a requisite for posting comments on torrents). Further, I estimate only a very small percentage of those on the forum view this subtopic and post. As such, if you can strike a deal with concen, such that they endorse your ratings site on the front page of the tracker for some time, I imagine the result of your site could be something more than a fart in the wind.

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05-22-2012, 07:24 PM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Well, it's taken you too long. I've decided to move forward with my deemit.com plans. Expect a site up some time soon that I will be promoting on here.
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05-23-2012, 12:29 AM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Eden organic foods
Lundberg farms
Pete and Gerry´s eggs
Oregon´s wild harvest herbal supplements
Mountain rose herbals


Brands not to trust, even if they act like they´re responsible?
Burt´s bees (Clorox)
Spectrum oils
Woodstock farms dairy products
Odwalla (Coke)
Horizon dairy
New Chapter supplements
GNC supplements
just about any supplement at a pharmacy, discount, or grocery store.

I´ll update w/ links and supportive statements some time soon.

The Organic Consumer Association´s a good place to find this kind of info.
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05-23-2012, 05:08 AM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
I would appreciate if, when I finish with deemit.com, you would contribute your information there too. it has the potential to be much more than a simple look up of companies. I am designing a relation system where relations between entities (people. organizations, morals) are calculated in a compiling fashion to get an overall spectrum of how any single entity is impacting society or any particular other entity (like, "burt's bees" negatively impacting the "promotion of health")

(05-23-2012, 12:29 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: Eden organic foods
Lundberg farms
Pete and Gerry´s eggs
Oregon´s wild harvest herbal supplements
Mountain rose herbals


Brands not to trust, even if they act like they´re responsible?
Burt´s bees (Clorox)
Spectrum oils
Woodstock farms dairy products
Odwalla (Coke)
Horizon dairy
New Chapter supplements
GNC supplements
just about any supplement at a pharmacy, discount, or grocery store.

I´ll update w/ links and supportive statements some time soon.

The Organic Consumer Association´s a good place to find this kind of info.

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05-23-2012, 06:42 AM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Information is open source and is meant to be shared and/or made into derivative works.

Yeah still working on it in much the same multi-relational model. Not a simple listing.
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05-23-2012, 01:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2012, 01:05 PM by CharliePrime.)
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Check out http://www.resellerratings.com

That site could serve as a model.

I use that site to find reputable online retailers.
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05-23-2012, 04:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2012, 04:47 PM by capob.)
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
(05-23-2012, 06:42 AM)FastTadpole Wrote: Information is open source and is meant to be shared and/or made into derivative works.

Yeah still working on it in much the same multi-relational model. Not a simple listing.

For personal use I already have a built knowledge network containing arbitrary entities with arbitrary relations - so I am not unfamiliar with modeling networks. I have determined how I am going to model this network. And, as to it being open source, the issue is, that doesn't matter so much since open source dies without interest, and divided or diverted interest is as good as a lack of interest.

My system will rely heavily on a reputation system for the members, and thus it is not enough that the information is available somewhere online; there needs to be multiple users entering the information.
(05-23-2012, 01:05 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: Check out http://www.resellerratings.com

That site could serve as a model.

I use that site to find reputable online retailers.

I don't intend this to be a rating system. It is more about what particular companies are for or against, and how much effect they have on those things.
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05-24-2012, 02:22 AM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Not planning on a reliance on any type of member rating system. That can be gamed no matter how well you moderate it but people can relay their experience with the company if they wish, off the record and it will be taken under consideration. Not planning on making a clone of BBB (or resellerratings.com although that's a nice example for other reasons so thanks CharliePrime). This model is too easily gamed and acts as a conduit for corporate espionage via rep bashing.

The initial point is to do an in depth analysis of the supply chain impacts, company relations with their labour with up to 6 degrees of separation and present a comprehensive analysis of the facts.

The consumer can decide from their. No ratings, no conjecture, just facts. Facts that are well sourced from different angles.

The m2m relation categorization scheme is more of a navigational service to the end user (consumer), we're also designing the schema for interpolability for a B2B angle and maybe, as an aside, a compartmentalized C2C discussion facility.
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05-24-2012, 06:00 PM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Does anyone know of any mutual funds which are good from an ethical perspective? I've never been able to participate in my company's 401k plan because even though it's supposedly "socially responsible" it invests in companies that I know way too much dirt about.
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05-26-2012, 06:00 PM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
Model is coming along nicely.
   

Project has lots of potential. Although I don't plan on this being a commercial site or making any money from it, I might spend money on advertising just because it has the potential to be such a useful tool.
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06-15-2012, 06:25 AM,
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RE: Ethical Companies, Services, Products and Businesses
It's taken me a lot longer than expected, but it is almost completed for version 1. I will make a new post when I put it up for users. Essentially, it is a relation network where the system computates indirect relations based on user submitted direct relations. There is a fairly complicated point system (for internal use) that influences a lot on the site, including a user's abillity to add new items. I imagine I will be able to finish it this weekend. I would like to see some replies from people willing to volunteer to try it out - after all, it is a free and useful service.
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