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I had a lucid dream last night
03-07-2009, 07:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2009, 07:49 PM by monkeytribe23.)
#46
I had a lucid dream last night
Dream exploration is one of the quickest ways 'down the rabbit hole,' and can be quite unnerving at times. I like to remember the Hitchhikers Guide, DONT PANIC! (and always carry a towel).

If you are feeling mystical and you dont like it, take a rest. Get plenty of excercise and fresh air, spend time with friends who are not interested at all in your psychonautics. Drink beer. THINK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

If you continue to access your subconcious through lucid dreaming, you should research the subject heavily. There are several standard experiences people seem to go through when they begin to actively pay attention to their dreams, through the simple (and essential) dream diary.

Being diligant with your diary will trigger false awakenings (the exact experience you describe in your OP). You are in your room, but something is strangely out of place. I have had one episode where I had 4 false awakenings in a row. ie, I woke up in my bed 4 times, got up, started doing things, and realised each time i was still dreaming. When i eventually got back to what we like to call 'reality,' i had to be pretty damn sure that i was not still dreaming. You can see how this could be dangerous to your mental health.... without these 'reality tests,' as described in the movie "Waking Life":

1 - Small print will never read the same way twice. (Pick up a book, read a sentence, read the sentence again, if the words have moved or changed on the 2nd reading, you are dreaming.)

2 - Lightswitches will not function correctly. (Your bedside light is your first port of call on EVERY 'awakening'. Switch it on and off a couple of times. If it functions correctly, you are awake.)

3 - Digital clock faces do not function correctly. (You can see this in the movie "Waking Life". In fact, most electronic devices behave very oddly when you are dreaming. May be related to the lightswitch anomoly, ie all electrical stuff cannot be replicated fully in the dream world.)

Without these reality tests, if you continue to experiment with lucid dreams, you will basically begin to think you are NEO from the Matrix. Indeed, even with the reality test, you will begin to see 'objective' reality as some sort of dream/computer program/simulation. Everybody does. Remember to enjoy it, and not take it too seriously. Perception is a funny thing.

Research into this is pretty easy, there are forums for people practising, plenty of literature describing the methods. You are lucky to have spontaneous lucidity, i would explore this if i were you, it is the most interesting thing i have ever experienced. However, without wanting to sound like the dungeon master, 'There is danger down this path.' Good luck!
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03-07-2009, 08:27 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2009, 09:16 PM by ---.)
#47
I had a lucid dream last night
Hey MT23, many thanks for the advice mang.

Waking Life is definitely up there in my top films list;)

Thing is in the early hours of last night the same thing happened - this time there was no door where there should be on the room and I immediately realised - oop, here we go again!

One is fine - kinda nice, but two in a row with no effort on my part is kinda bizarre.

This time I thought ok, I want to stay in this as long as possible and have a bit of a blat about and see what's what and if I can meet someone..

Until maybe today, I have always thought that characters that you meet in dreams are an extension of your own psyche - facets of it - stuff your subconscious wants to work through.. apart from maybe the demonic thing I met those years back

That was my paradigm.

Anyhow there I was flying about in the city hqaving a grand old time - it was fine! when whoompf, I'm suddenly in like this weird corridor and it looks ancient - I was a bit creeped out as I hadn't actually wanted to stop flying, if you know what I mean..

Well, I thought I'd explore anyhow - problem was this big fuck off nasty looking thing appears - it is tyhe SAME thing that was in my lucid dream from a few years back that I have written about in this thread already..

It didn't attack me straight away - it was just there looking as scary as hell and then I tried to fly again ( to get away ) and it screams and goes for me..

At that point I woke up and I am still a bit shaken from it tbh. I mean - I don't remember buying the ticket for this ride at all.


Then, I decided ok I'll stay awake for a while as that was a bit full on - PURELY RANDOMLY (afaiwc) I put on one of the Magical Egypt episodes - and what do you know, it's all about mystery schools and lucid dreaming..

The premise given in the Egyptian book of the dead - as also in the Tibetan book of the dead is that there was these tests and if you fail them you dissolve - lose your soul effectively and return to the primordial gloop to be regenerated entirely different another time - ie NOT you.

According to the thing I watched - the Egyptians were obsessed with getting through these tests successfully and finding some manner of godhead and eternity - and the training was to become adept in lucid dreaming...

otherwise - back to the gloop - it was the preserve of ONLY the elite and priestclass.. learning names too, masons et al

I can't really explain right now - my mind is a bit of a garble about the whole idea. I mean. what the fuck is going on with that recurring thing - I feel like this is kind of important somehow.

Well, there's a bunch of stuff going on in my head right now thinking about it and some other things which seem to fall into place.. needless to say it has kind of made me reappraise what's going on here and I don't like it as it is just OUT THERE!

and I'm a bit phased by the repercussions of what these thoughts are suggesting about the state of play on this rock.

I'm taking your good advice and having a few beers and thinking about sommat else and will go back to it when it feels right.


cheers
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03-07-2009, 09:28 PM,
#48
I had a lucid dream last night
"I have always thought that characters that you meet in dreams are an extension of your own psyche - facets of it - stuff your subconscious wants to work through.."

i agree with that 100%. apart from...

"Until maybe today"

That's when the 'NEO' shit starts up. An HUGE element of it is the worry about "the state of play on this rock". Combine that with ever increasing syncronicity in daily life that references your dream life (which you can CHECK PHYSICALLY via your dream diary) and you got yourself the basics for appearing to be 'a very weird dude' to even (especially) your nearest and dearest. But it's hard to relate to them the proof you are developing that there is more to life and the universe than what we know. So it is my suggestion that you don't try. And try not to worry about the state of play on this rock too much...(!) if you are going to spend time fleshing out the lucid dreaming phenomena. Beware of becoming convinced you have an 'important mission' in the meat world. I hope you see what i mean.

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Nobody said being a psychonaut was going to be easy! Which brings me nicely to my other point...

Your dream monster. I'm jealous! I have had many strange experiences with this stuff, but the dream monster in the very archetypical form you describe has yet to be confronted. It is definetly very high on the list of the 'standard experiences' lucid dreamers go through that i was talking about earlier. The theory for these guys is simple, the practice, i imagine, is not.

Watch the end of "A Nightmare on Elm Street." How does Nancy defeat Freddy?

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing to fear in the dream world, imho. Explore. If you meet your monster, DO NOT RUN. Laugh at it. Punch it in the face. Try to take it by the hand and lead it in a waltz. He won't bother you again after that. (I have heard stories that they monster often becomes your friend!) Then you can apply the 'NLP' pattern you used to defeat that fear on anything, both in the dream world and meatland. Courage and confidence are raised across the board. Does this remind you of the Aboriginal initiation rituals into adulthood, by any chance?

2 things you should be aware of before you experience them (not that it will help, these ones are fucking terrifing):

1. "The Void" as i call it. The Himalayan's say there are 7 levels of lucidity, (the top 3 are essentially indescribable thanks to the limitations of language, we don't have words for this stuff). Between each level is "The Void," where you have no body, and there is NOTHING AT ALL. One tends to think that one has died. It is NOT NICE AT ALL. Wait it out, try to imagine colours and textures, eventually they will solidify into an environment, you can then command yourself to wake up (cue false awakenings). You can't wake up from the void, or if you manage it, it has been my experience that you wake up in a state well known by psychologists, which is sleep paralysis...

2. Sleep paralysis - You are in your bed, paralysed. This is usually when the aliens show up. Even if they don't, it's just as terrifing as the void, maybe even more so. The technique i have for getting out of both situations is the same.

Relax. Experience. Enjoy.

Despite all this alarmist rhetoric, the impact of lucid dreaming on my life has been 100% positive.

"It's like boot camp for the psyche. In real life, human beings are packaged in the flimsiest of packages, threatened by real and sometimes horrifying dangers [....] But the narrative form puts these fears into a manageable series of events. It gives us a way of thinking rationally about our fears."
~ Wes Craven talking about his horror movies

"Simple guideline: if you go Loony and pull out of it, then it was an 'initiation'. If you stay a Loony, then it was a mistake."
~ Phil Hine

Let me know how you get on!



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03-08-2009, 12:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-08-2009, 12:03 AM by ---.)
#49
I had a lucid dream last night
Thanks for the words of reason -I am certainly not interested in getting some convoluted neo complex like is desired lol I don't even know if this will continue but I am going to start a dream journal for sure. I've had a quick look at the lucid dreaming forums out there and intend to do some deeper research as soon as I have a better online connection again - on a dial up at the mo...

I actually have had a very strong experience and remaining memory of 'the void' but it came from something entirely different from the dream state - I'll tell you about it but not right now.. you are right though can easily be terrifying. I found it so tbh. I had no body, no name and it was just total nothingness, although I still was..

I think I told hilly about it once when he was telling me about his NDE... 'void' it's a perfect term for it and that's what I call the place too, as it goes :)


Aboriginal initiation experiences - could be. I've been party to some weird stuff on my travels but mostly in the capacity of welcomed voyeur *shrugs* apart from PNG and that was sooo weird on soo many different levels - aliens etc. too weird - maybe I'll say about it one day.

Your right about the 'monster' - if it happens again I will invite them to a game of table tennis :)

I will defo tell you and post up here of anymore stuff should it occur. I totally appreciate the input.

What do you think about the Bardo states mythology?

cheers mt23:)
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03-11-2009, 05:32 AM,
#50
I had a lucid dream last night
So nik what do you see down the rabbit hole ?

maybe quitting dreaming would be better
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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03-11-2009, 05:44 AM,
#51
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:maybe quitting dreaming would be better

Why so, Jack? :unsure:

I've always been a bit of a dreamer - wouldn't really want to change that tbh:D
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03-11-2009, 05:51 AM,
#52
I had a lucid dream last night
then just forget I ever said it & keep on dreaming:D

&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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03-14-2009, 10:09 PM,
#53
I had a lucid dream last night
There is a primitive society which keeps their boys COMPLETELY isolated from their natural environment (tropical jungle) until their rites of passage at puberty. They then step into this world with innocent and sensitive eyes.

It seems to me to be relevant in some way to this thread, but HOW, I invite someone else to suggest...
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03-14-2009, 10:17 PM,
#54
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:There is a primitive society which keeps their boys COMPLETELY isolated from their natural environment (tropical jungle) until their rites of passage at puberty. They then step into this world with innocent and sensitive eyes.

It seems to me to be relevant in some way to this thread, but HOW, I invite someone else to suggest...

The Amish do something like that. At a certain age they leave home and go see the real world in its sin.
After this "pilgrimage" they face the choice of going home and being Amish, or leaving the "colony", as it were.
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03-16-2009, 09:12 PM,
#55
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:There is a primitive society which keeps their boys COMPLETELY isolated from their natural environment (tropical jungle) until their rites of passage at puberty. They then step into this world with innocent and sensitive eyes.

It seems to me to be relevant in some way to this thread, but HOW, I invite someone else to suggest...

Or otherwise stop pissing about and just say wft you mean.:):)
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03-17-2009, 11:47 PM,
#56
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:Or otherwise stop pissing about and just say wft you mean.
I don't know wtf I mean. Just that it sprung to mind.
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03-20-2009, 02:39 AM,
#57
I had a lucid dream last night
This is a subject I could say alot about, but I'm pressed for time, so I'll just say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PE7Y04JU6o

;)
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03-20-2009, 02:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-20-2009, 03:01 AM by ---.)
#58
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:This is a subject I could say alot about, but I'm pressed for time, so I'll just say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PE7Y04JU6o

;)

I'm getting used to low connectivity - so fuck joottube - I'm down with the 52k massive - either you have a lot to say about it or you don't..we can wait a wee while until you have more time to spare on the subject :P
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03-20-2009, 03:01 AM,
#59
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:
Quote:Or otherwise stop pissing about and just say wft you mean.
I don't know wtf I mean. Just that it sprung to mind.

very random then.
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03-20-2009, 06:46 AM,
#60
I had a lucid dream last night
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Or otherwise stop pissing about and just say wft you mean.
I don't know wtf I mean. Just that it sprung to mind.

very random then.
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