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Why do people still use YouTube?
03-27-2012, 10:11 AM,
#1
Why do people still use YouTube?
I want to know why people whom are awake and aware of dangerous companies like google still use and support YouTube. Maybe it's just me but if I don't like a company I try at all costs not to use them, buy from them or promote their product.

Take for example running shoes. In my opinion Nike shoes are junk, their arch support has been missing for decades and their shoes are made in china sweat shops.

How many American [idiots] will you hear complaining about our economy, about how there are no jobs, yet they buy from companies that outsource their labor to china? I try to buy shoes made in the usa but its difficult to do being that so much stuff is outsourced nowadays, I guess Americans are above manufacturing. Or they can't compete with Chinese people who are willing to be .50 an hour slaves. For running shoes i recommend new balance. They are superior in comfort to nike (my opinion i know) and they are made in the USA. Getting a bit ot here so back to YouTube.

Rewind to circa 2004. I remember going out with my car friends on the weekend looking for races (and hos) my old canon point and shoot camera in hand. Never mind that the camera wasn't meant for taking video, it was probably something like a 1.2 megapixel haha. Anyway, after a night of beating down government motors "muscle" cars (remember those vehicles that no one wanted because they were made out of legos and garage scrap parts thus the reason they needed a tyrannical government to force taxpayers to save their inept irresponsible asses) in our ricer imports, I remember the thing that bugged me the most the next day was trying to find a host for my video footage so i could share the night before's kills. Usually I ended up emailing the video to someone who would host it on their server and as long as it didn't make it around to too many forums their bandwidth would hold up.

Eventually more and more people created their own websites and hosted their own videos.

Fast forward to 2010ish and YouTube is now the epicenter of video uploads. Seems like very few people ever host their own videos anymore on their site with their provider. Everyone runs straight to YouTube like blind sheep to upload their footage.

Why have Americans become so narrow minded? Is it because they are cheap? What does it cost to upload a video to YouTube? Nothing, except a bit of privacy I guess. Or a little loss of liberty. Last I checked YouTube requires users to sign up with gmail and link it to the YouTube account.

Why do we see so few videos today without the youtube logo on them? Nest time you watch a video on the Internet, take a look at where it's hosted. Americans could choose to boycott YouTube by uploading their video elsewhere but alas they are either too cheap, or too lazy.

Such is the story with everything it seems. Americans could easily fight back against corporations by not supporting them, not buying their products, but they choose not to and continue to support the very corporations that they claim to hate.

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03-27-2012, 05:36 PM,
#2
RE: Why do people still use youtube?
I tried Vimeo. It works well, but does not have the functionally of YouTube.

I tried to sign up for a somewhat anomymous YouTube account, completely separate from my other Google accounts. Not possible.

On a brand new install of Ubuntu on a formatted hard drive, with no cookies, DOM, or anything, Google detected that I was coming from an IP range which already had Google accounts. Google forced me to either link one of those accounts, or provide a phone number.

It is well-documented that Google works with the intelligence agencies to build databases. I don't want my online statements read back to me in a courtroom twenty years from now in a 'loyalty' hearing. Every day that becomes more difficult to avoid.
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03-27-2012, 07:48 PM,
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RE: Why do people still use youtube?
I hate google. You'd think that someone would have come up with a search engine just as good by now that does not collect info. The only one I know of is duckduckgo.

As I check infowars everyday I notice that every single video they have has a YouTube logo on it. If jones hates YouTube so much why use them? I get it, get the content out there to millions of people, use YouTube against themselves, but with all the money that he has he could have a server to host his videos with plenty of bandwidth for his audience.
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03-31-2012, 04:57 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2012, 09:47 PM by sitra11ahra.)
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RE: Why do people still use youtube?
I disagreed with you on a couple different things on this forum but I definitely see where youre coming from with this one. My girlfriend's phone is a droid. After a few days of getting the same message after she sent a text about privacy she asked me to read it. The statement read, and Im definitely paraphrasing, "Google retains the right to do anything with any of your messages and phone content and this includes, but is not limited to, giving whatever information it obtains to what ever organizations that it sees fit. You will not be notified if this happens. Thank you."

I have a youtube account. I have had it for years now. I have one video uploaded. Im almost ashamed to say that I was not aware that they made a g-mail account for me. A few nights ago I purchased something online from a site that uses google wallet and it informed me that yes I do have an account and that I was already logged in. In a way they make it nearly impossible to remain anonymous. I know I could if I tried but theres just certain things I dont have the energy for. Thankfully I have never uploaded anything too revolutionary or sent an email with my g-mail account
whenever there is a truly intelligent man a confederacy of dunces will conspire against him
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03-31-2012, 03:34 PM,
#5
RE: Why do people still use youtube?
(03-27-2012, 07:48 PM)Sovereignman Wrote: If jones hates YouTube so much why use them?

A case can be made that consuming Google Corp.'s bandwidth helps drive up their costs, which gnaws at their company, even if only a small amount.

We anarchists sometimes receive a similar criticism. Detractors say "How do you anti-government types justify using government roads to travel to anti-government rallies? That's hypocritical."

Our response: "This is the world we live in. We have no choice".

Jones banned me from his forum because I criticized his use of fear, and his pro-government patriotism. I still believe he provides a necessary, albeit ugly and low-brow component in the fight for human freedom.

I see nothing wrong with using Google's resources to fight Google. All minority guerrilla movements employ that tactic.
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03-31-2012, 04:47 PM,
#6
RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
I've got a non-Google email address linked to YT. Wasn't a problem. Beats giving out my private data to a corporation that has no need for it.. or, rather, that I have no need to give to it.

Asking why so many people still use YouTube and Google is like asking why so many people still use Facebook. It's popular, it's the place to go, and the world's full of followers. The day bandwidth becomes insanely cheap is the day YouTube dies I would suspect as nicely as MySpace has. Store your videos on a Web host server, stream them out with one of any number of generic plug-ins, and you're set.

I'm looking forward to that day for certain.
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03-31-2012, 11:23 PM,
#7
RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
Good to see I am not alone on this matter. I concur with you guys on all account except Charlie where you mention anarchy. I do not identify myself with an anarchist movement or ideal as I believe that government does play a role in a peaceful organized society. The problem though is when governments get out of control, such as the US federal government has, as well as many state governments.

I too was banned from posting comments on jones website. Twice. I have yet to sign up again. The last time I was banned was quite petty IMO. They had an article about traffic cameras ticketing for people pulling their vehicle into crosswalks. I was I favor of the citations being issued as people pulling into crosswalks is a huge pet peeve of mine and I had voiced this to several other commenters and I guess they didn't like it.
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04-01-2012, 12:23 AM,
#8
RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
(03-31-2012, 11:23 PM)Sovereignman Wrote: ...I believe that government does play a role in a peaceful organized society.

I see governments making peaceful, organized societies violent, chaotic and murderous.

If you do the logical and philosophical hard work of sorting the moral question down to its fundamental essence, you eventually reach a point where you are must honestly choose whether human beings own themselves, or whether you believe in slavery. I chose the former.

I admit, it took me seven years of hammering on this question before I finally had to accept that government is immoral. I resisted that logical conclusion with every refutation I could find. Each one failed.

Below is the post, verbatim, that got me banned from Alex Jones' forum. It was a response in a thread about enabling the Simple Machines 'ignore user' function.

Quote: It is sad how clouded in a red haze of confusion a mind must be to mistakenly perceive forum users voluntarily choosing which content they consume as a form of top-down authoritarian control.

I empathize with your anger. In 1993 I quit my job with the U.S. House of Representatives because I was physically ill from the constant rage caused by witnessing the evil inside that machine every day of the week.

Anger is a natural, normal response when an individual first begins realize they live on a prison planet and break out of the mind control.

But there is more beyond.

It took 15 years for me to sort out that anger and realize it was counterproductive. I am still tempted by it.

As I matured into old age I realized that being angry does not reform the system. In fact, I realized it actually assists the system to accomplish subjugation by making resisters mentally ill and unproductive.

Slaves lashing out verbally at what they perceive as greater slaves is counterproductive. It's actually a well-documented coping mechanism which has been studied in concentration camps, state penitentiaries, and abusive nursing homes.

There is a better, higher, more effective level of resistance beyond anger and abuse emulation.

Please please consider it.

I received automated email notification that the thread had been deleted. The next time I tried to log in, I was presented with a message that I had been banned from the entire forum.

I was genuinely surprised. The Prison Planet forum permits all manner of vicious user-on-user personal attacks employing filthy language and ridicule. Yet, somehow my appeal was worthy of banishment. It makes me wonder exactly what they are trying to accomplish there.
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04-01-2012, 02:17 PM,
#9
RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
My banned post on Prison Planet must have hit a nerve. THE VERY NEXT DAY Alex threw up this weird, short video about how he is "all about love, not fear".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tuewEUZ98

Funny thing is, I live in Austin sometimes and was thinking about going down to his studio and putting in a resume' to work for him.
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04-02-2012, 11:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-02-2012, 11:21 PM by Sovereignman.)
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RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
Haha, that's a great post, obviously something is fishy if someone singled in on t out of all other content.

They are hiring for a "reporter" position. Maybe they will hire you. Big Grin

As for government playing a role in a peaceful society, would you agree that Thomas Jefferson and the likes were a positive form of government?

Do you have children? If you do, do you have rules around the house that they must adhere to? If you answered yes you have rules, it's for a reason, to keep a order so everyone is happy and productive, among other reasons.

Large groups of people need guidance just as individuals do. The problems arise when those who ave been entrusted with a task to keep order themselves become drunk on that power and abuse it. If people whom are entrusted to keeping order did so from their heart for the sake of others well being and not their own selfish desires, the USA wouldn't be in the mess it's in.

That's how I look at it. Someone has to protect a population from murderers, thieves, and rapists. Not everyone can fend for themselves.
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04-03-2012, 03:13 PM,
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RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
Thanks SM. Working for Alex Jones as a reporter would probably be very fun. You'd get to travel to events and hang out with all flavors of fun, politically active people shooting video, discussing things on the sidewalk (and meeting lots of girls).

Alex would not tolerate my political ideals, but I would highly recommend that gig to any young man.

(04-02-2012, 11:18 PM)Sovereignman Wrote: As for government playing a role in a peaceful society, would you agree that Thomas Jefferson and the likes were a positive form of government?

No. Because government is by definition immoral, there can be no positive form of it.

Quote:Do you have children? If you do, do you have rules around the house that they must adhere to? ...Large groups of people need guidance just as individuals do....Someone has to protect a population from murderers, thieves, and rapists.

I have two shockingly good daughters. Both graduated from world-class universities and are actually a bit too 'straight-laced' for my liking. When they were young, we agreed to the house rules. I didn't arbitrarily force rules on them. We agreed. It worked wonderfully.

SM, I think you misunderstand Anarchy. It only means... An = without. Arch = over/authority. That's all.

Anarchy does NOT mean chaos and disorder. It means only that no group of people could can claim a monopoly on the initiation of violence in a particular geographic area as governments do.

In fact, a society without government would probably be more restrictive than our current society in many regards. I know it would be much, much more orderly.

People would contract for protection services to protect them from murderers, thieves, and rapists. Competition is good. We now have a fat, Soviet-style monopoly on protection services. Monopolies are bad. The police and judicial services would be 100 times cheaper than what we currently pay, and 100 times better.

The poor, sick, and weak would receive actual, genuine, voluntary high-quality charity, not the forced, crap, bureaucratic 'social services' we have now.

The myth of the benevolent Founding Fathers and their U.S. Constitution is about the last cul-de-sac they use to distract people off the road to human freedom. I was stuck in that thing for more than a decade. Get back on the road! :-)
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04-03-2012, 07:50 PM,
#12
RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
Interesting. I always looked at anarchy as chaos. I has been brainwashed. Ohnoes.

What though would you have done if your daughters would have said, we don't like your rules dad, so we are not going to agree to them. ? Smile
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04-04-2012, 03:27 PM,
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RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
(04-03-2012, 07:50 PM)Sovereignman Wrote: What though would you have done if your daughters would have said, we don't like your rules dad, so we are not going to agree to them. ?

They did say that sometimes. We negotiated. This is the reason my kids turned out so well. In order to negotiate, they had to accept responsibility for their actions, and learn that hard work and self-discipline earn rewards.

Parents who hit their children or say 'because I said so!' are teaching them that:

* violence is the best way to get what you want,

* wealth is earned by boot licking authorities, and

* behavior is wrong only if you get caught, not because the behavior itself is wrong.

When you see adults advocating war, demanding fellow citizens boot-lick their Socialist masters, worshiping flags, or engaging in sexual perversion or drug abuse, you know that person suffered authoritarianism and physical violence as a child.
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04-04-2012, 03:59 PM,
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RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
(04-04-2012, 03:27 PM)CharliePrime Wrote: demanding fellow citizens boot-lick their Socialist masters

Socialist, or fascist?

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04-04-2012, 08:32 PM,
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RE: Why do people still use YouTube?
(04-04-2012, 03:27 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:
(04-03-2012, 07:50 PM)Sovereignman Wrote: What though would you have done if your daughters would have said, we don't like your rules dad, so we are not going to agree to them. ?

They did say that sometimes. We negotiated. This is the reason my kids turned out so well. In order to negotiate, they had to accept responsibility for their actions, and learn that hard work and self-discipline earn rewards.

Parents who hit their children or say 'because I said so!' are teaching them that:

* violence is the best way to get what you want,

* wealth is earned by boot licking authorities, and

* behavior is wrong only if you get caught, not because the behavior itself is wrong.

When you see adults advocating war, demanding fellow citizens boot-lick their Socialist masters, worshiping flags, or engaging in sexual perversion or drug abuse, you know that person suffered authoritarianism and physical violence as a child.

If only there were more parents that taught their children that hard work and discipline earn rewards.

I learned that but in the process if I was bad I got the belt. Or a wooden spoon. Probably why I would like to use violence against the tyrants. Of course giving the tyrants (war mongers) a tastenof their own medicine would make me feel great too.

And it's bad that I'm a pervert?
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