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Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
03-16-2012, 01:11 PM,
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Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
March 13, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

Harvard Medical School found that 1 in 10 premature deaths is caused by eating red meat:

Small quantities of processed meat such as bacon, sausages or salami can increase the likelihood of dying by a fifth, researchers from Harvard School of Medicine found. Eating steak increases the risk of dying by 12%.

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Red meat often contains high amounts of saturated fat, while bacon and salami contain large amounts of salt. Replacing red meat with poultry, fish or vegetables, whole grains and other healthy foods cut the risk of dying by up to one fifth, the study found.

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The study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine followed more than 100,000 people for around 28 years asking them periodically about their diet and lifestyle.

It was found that for every serving of red meat – equivalent to 3 ounces (85 grams) – eaten each day there was an 18 per cent increased risk of dying from heart disease and a 10 per cent increased risk of dying from cancer.

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“The research itself seems solid and is based on two large scale cohort studies monitored over a long period of time.”

Other studies have also found that eating too much meat causes cancer and other health problems.

But how much of the problem isn’t red meat … but the fact that what we’re eating isn’t what our grandparents wouldn’t even recognize as meat at all?

For all of human history – until the last couple of decades – people ate beef from cows (or buffalo or bison) which grazed on grass. The cows were usually strong and healthy. Their meat was lean, with very little saturated fat, as the critters ate well and got outdoor exercise. Their meat was high in good Omega 3 fats. See this and this, and humans evolved to consume a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in the wild game and fish which they ate (more).

Today, on the other hand, beef is laden with saturated fat and almost entirely lacking healthy fats like Omega 3s, because the cows are force-fed food which makes them sick. Specifically, instead of their natural menu – grass – they are force-fed corn, which makes them sick. Because their diet makes them ill, they are given massive amounts of antibiotics. Even with the antibiotics, the diet and living conditions would kill them pretty quickly if they aren’t slaughtered.

They are also given estrogen to fatten them up. And they are fed parts of other animals, which can give them mad cow disease.

Well-known food writer (and meat-lover) Michael Pollan gave a must-read account of modern beef practices in the New York Times in 2002:

Cows raised on grass simply take longer to reach slaughter weight than cows raised on a richer diet, and the modern meat industry has devoted itself to shortening a beef calf’s allotted time on earth. ”In my grandfather’s day, steers were 4 or 5 years old at slaughter” …. now we get there at 14 to 16 months.” Fast food indeed. What gets a beef calf from 80 to 1,200 pounds in 14 months are enormous quantities of corn, protein supplements — and drugs, including growth hormones.

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Calves have no need of regular medication while on grass, but as soon as they’re placed in the backgrounding pen, they’re apt to get sick. Why? The stress of weaning is a factor, but the main culprit is the feed. The shift to a ”hot ration” of grain can so disturb the cow’s digestive process — its rumen, in particular — that it can kill the animal if not managed carefully and accompanied by antibiotics.

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Growing the vast quantities of corn used to feed livestock in this country takes vast quantities of chemical fertilizer, which in turn takes vast quantities of oil — 1.2 gallons for every bushel. So the modern feedlot is really a city floating on a sea of oil.

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Tanker trucks back up to silo-shaped tanks, into which they pump thousands of gallons of liquefied fat and protein supplement. In a shed attached to the mill sit vats of liquid vitamins and synthetic estrogen; next to these are pallets stacked with 50-pound sacks of Rumensin and tylosin, another antibiotic.

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Corn is a mainstay of livestock diets because there is no other feed quite as cheap or plentiful: thanks to federal subsidies and ever-growing surpluses, the price of corn ($2.25 a bushel) is 50 cents less than the cost of growing it. The rise of the modern factory farm is a direct result of these surpluses, which soared in the years following World War II, when petrochemical fertilizers came into widespread use. Ever since, the U.S.D.A.’s policy has been to help farmers dispose of surplus corn by passing as much of it as possible through the digestive tracts of food animals, converting it into protein. Compared with grass or hay, corn is a compact and portable foodstuff, making it possible to feed tens of thousands of animals on small plots of land. Without cheap corn, the modern urbanization of livestock would probably never have occurred.

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03-18-2012, 05:49 AM,
#2
RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
They have been pulling this "red meat will kill you" garbage for years. The short and sweet truth of the matter is the meat we eat is completely fake. Recently, the big "pink slime" scandal has been blown open, but is hardly how disgusting it gets. Most feed animals are fed horrible foods, and due to their terrible health, are loaded with antibiotics. Of course, time is money, so a few growth hormones does not hurt the money making. Add to this the fact most animals, such as cattle, pigs, chickens, and turkeys, are fed vast amounts of cheap GMO corn and soy, essentially making the animal GMO.

The processing of the meat differs from the animal, but since the topic is red meat, I will stick to beef. When the cow is slaughtered, due to its terrible health, is loaded with E. Coli bacteria. Most the meat is made into hamburger, which is made from the beef of hundreds of cattle at a time, guaranteeing you E. Coli. As not to kill you, the hamburger is run through a pipe where it is coated with the ever healthy ammonia. Since ammonia is extremely unhealthy, artificial flavours are added. Of course, the meat is red with blood, and people tend to think meat is only good if it is red, even though the colour leaves with the blood. Thus, colour additives are added. Steaks take a different turn, in which they, festering is fecal matter and E. Coli, is then stuffed full of water (most likely fluoridated) up to a 50% water weight. When two pounds of steak can become four pounds, and no one notices, what does a company have to lose?

And how could meat not be first-worldly without unlabeled preservatives? Bacon, sausage, and salami, as mentioned above, all label their main preservative; sodium nitrite. However, other meats (hamburger, steak, pork chops, chicken breast) usually are not mentioned and can vary. All these preservatives are extremely carcinogenic. All while each serving of meat has about 2/3 of an antibiotic, due to the vast amounts the animals consume. This constant influx of antibiotics is terrible for the probiotic gut flora, leading to a lowered immune system.

Now, when one eats real meat, that is to say, grass-fed organic beef, pastured pork and free-range chickens that eat bugs, the health benefits are amazing. The evidence should be self-evident, since almost every culture has a heritage of eating meat, and having extreme health. There are few vegetarian societies, namely India. Even then, they get numerous animal products, eat meat when they can, consume bugs, et cetera. Here is a good link, hopefully all this information helps you.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/
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03-18-2012, 11:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-18-2012, 11:29 AM by peragrate.)
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Also, it's not very nice for the animals, and GE food should be avoided like the plague.
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03-19-2012, 05:37 AM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
What I was thinking has been said upthread.

But let me add this as it says at least 1,000 words.

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03-21-2012, 03:38 AM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Couldnt have said it better myself Anarchist.
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03-21-2012, 04:38 AM,
#6
RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Real pure red meat doesnt kill you. If it did, none of us would be here because our ancestors would have died long ago from it.

Today though I think most Americans deserve the gmo fake shit, you ever seen the shit Americans eat just because of the way it tastes? If their own shit tasted like bacon they would probably fry it and eat it. The sheep who eat garbage like fast food mcdonalds and the like are too lazy to buy meat and cook it themselves. Hell, they are too lazy to seek out hunted meat.

Not to mention that most Americans blindly support Romney, gingrich, santorum or Obama, all guys who support organizations such as the FDA, a group of jack offs who allow and force pink slime on the youth of this nation.

Eat up kiddies.
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03-21-2012, 06:14 PM,
#7
RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Here in Texas I see the free market beginning to provide a competitive alternative to factory beef. People around Austin have been doing it for years with honey and vegetables. The same market for beef is developing.

It's simple. Consumers can visit the production location, see for themselves how products are produced, and develop a trusted, personal relationship with the producer.
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03-24-2012, 02:25 PM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
(03-21-2012, 04:38 AM)Sovereignman Wrote: Today though I think most Americans deserve the gmo fake shit...

I disagree with you 100%. Most Americans I know are victims of a vast propaganda machine. They live in a false reality created by 360 degrees of illusion and misinformation. They are also nice people.

I woke up this morning with the thought rolling around my head that said, "The American people have a breaking point too." This gave me hope.

I've lived in 9 countries so far, and I've noticed that each culture is kept in the dark by localized PR machines.

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03-24-2012, 08:57 PM,
#9
RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Well what's the excuse for us then? How do you explain those of us who are awake, aware of the msm bs?

There are people out there everyday that I try to enlighten and awake and most are resistant to truth. They fear it because it will upset their little fantasy world of illusion. They like the illusion and not having to deal with reality and for this reason I feel that these people deserve what they get.
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03-24-2012, 09:26 PM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Perhaps you're right.
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03-26-2012, 01:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2012, 01:34 AM by Sovereignman.)
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
I wish I weren't.

My wife and I went out with a couple of friends last night whom we've known for aprox five to six years. They are very nice, especially the guy, but the wife is very resistant to truth. She makes decent money, is in a upper class social ring in a snobby expensive part of town so she thinks she's knows a lot. When someone tries to talk to her a bit deeper about political aspects she becomes defensive, abrasive, and shuts them down.

She had mentioned to my wife that they are taking a trip and they invited us to go with them. My wife said I probably would not go because it requires flying. I chimed in to their conversation, as her husband I had been bs'ing in our own conversation amidst fermented hops, and I said, I won't fly until the tsa is dissolved since they are a bunch of crazies that just like to grope and harass people. Of course the conversation led into 9-11 as the reason for tsa being there. I then proceeded to tell them that the tsa and federal government are garbage and that 9-11 was partially an inside job and that's when she cut me off and said, no it wasn't. I politely told her that the government basically allowed it to happen, that they knew of these people yet let them get on planes anyway. She instantly became defensive. I told her that 9-11 was allowed to happen so that they could create a fearful population that thinks we need to go to war to find "terrorists" and that the tsa doesn't really protect us and they just like to grope and intimidate people, that americans give up liberties and freedom for what they think is "security". She snapped back at me saying that she would rather be protected by tsa than allow terrorists to come into the nation and attack us. She then suggested that we go through the scanners if I didn't like the "pat down" (her words) to which I responded with, those machines that cause cancer? She then said, no they don't.

At that point my wife intervened and said we should change the subject, it was obviously getting heated and four people who've been drinking, three of which are type a, don't need to get into that type of shit in the establishment we were at.

The point of this story is to give yet another example of how a random American citizen has fallen for the fear propaganda. By the way she speaks to people regarding these subjects I am positive that she gets her "news" from her equally brainwashed coworkers and the asshole mainstream media liar propaganda machine.

They are both very nice to us, very hospitable, always welcome us into their home, always attend our birthdays bearings gifts, and we always have a pretty good time with them (for me it's more so with the husband as he's a cool cat), but she is very stubborn. Him not so much, he is open to listening to people and what they have to say.

But this story is factual and I'm telling it to give an idea of the mindset of your typical American. An American that makes in excess of 75k per year, has an "education", finances a fancy vehicle (supporting a bank), and has a mortgage on a home that in the height was valued in excess of 500k dollars.

As much as I value my friendship with them, I have come to the sad terms that she is the typical American lamb (sheeple) that absolutely refuses to consider other possibilities regarding the US federal governments affairs. For this reason I feel as though the only thing that can teach these type of people the truth is the consequences of their ignorant actions. Sometimes it takes a tragedy or a life altering experience to open a persons mind. If she happens to be molested by a tsa agent, or if she or someone dear to her consumes some pink slime meat that makes her/them sick, it is then, and only then, the point in which she may become enlightened and ask, "why, why did this happen to me?". If it never happens to her and she only continues to read about it happening to others, she will never understand because she is only looking at it from the outside. People may not be deserving of it, whatever "it" is, but actually experiencing it may be the only way people learn.

Oh, I have also had the marijuana discussion with her before and it didn't end well. She knows it all and refuses to consider other possibilities even if they are facts. We got into it once regarding marijuana and I basically told her it's not as bad as she thinks and that it does have positive purposes for some people in a medical aspect and she laughed that off saying she knew ot was bullshit. I told her that it's not nearly as bad as cigarettes and even safer than alcohol and again she said I was wrong and that she "knows". I asked her how many people have ever died from smoking medical marijuana and how many people have died over the years due to alcohol poisoning and she basically ended the conversation saying she wasn't interested in talking about it. I even sent her some links to lots of info from doctors and she never responded to me.

As nice as she can be, sometimes, it is people like this who are counter productive to real freedom in the USA as they have been brainwashed by the government and msm to the point where ordinary citizens and actual truth will never change her mind. She would have to see it on msnbs, or fox, or hear it constantly from one of her college "educated" superiors in order to believe it.

And these people with this type of stubborn ignorant mindset are abundant in the circle of people that my wife and I socialize with. There is one guy I know who refuses to see the truth about Romney, that he is just another big government, flip flopping stooge supported by the same people who supported Obama. His reason for voting for Romney: he is Mormon and Romney is Mormon so that's why he must vote for him. Talk about idiocy. He is setting up his kids for more of the same hellish shit that both bushes and Obama have brought to this nation and he is too stupid to see it, blinded by his wacky religion and the mainstream media propaganda machine.

America is fucked.
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03-26-2012, 02:02 AM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
I would be careful who I talk to about controversial topics. The TSA is not a good sign. It was only 80 odd years ago that people couldn't travel without "Papers" right before a massive slaughter took place.

You can never really know who you're talking to.
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03-26-2012, 09:22 PM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
I know where she works, it's not for tsa. Even if she did work for tsa, I would give her tons of shit just before ending the relationship and never looking back.
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03-27-2012, 01:16 PM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
(03-18-2012, 05:49 AM)Anarchist Wrote: They have been pulling this "red meat will kill you" garbage for years. The short and sweet truth of the matter is the meat we eat is completely fake. Recently, the big "pink slime" scandal has been blown open, but is hardly how disgusting it gets. Most feed animals are fed horrible foods, and due to their terrible health, are loaded with antibiotics. Of course, time is money, so a few growth hormones does not hurt the money making. Add to this the fact most animals, such as cattle, pigs, chickens, and turkeys, are fed vast amounts of cheap GMO corn and soy, essentially making the animal GMO.

The processing of the meat differs from the animal, but since the topic is red meat, I will stick to beef. When the cow is slaughtered, due to its terrible health, is loaded with E. Coli bacteria. Most the meat is made into hamburger, which is made from the beef of hundreds of cattle at a time, guaranteeing you E. Coli. As not to kill you, the hamburger is run through a pipe where it is coated with the ever healthy ammonia. Since ammonia is extremely unhealthy, artificial flavours are added. Of course, the meat is red with blood, and people tend to think meat is only good if it is red, even though the colour leaves with the blood. Thus, colour additives are added. Steaks take a different turn, in which they, festering is fecal matter and E. Coli, is then stuffed full of water (most likely fluoridated) up to a 50% water weight. When two pounds of steak can become four pounds, and no one notices, what does a company have to lose?

And how could meat not be first-worldly without unlabeled preservatives? Bacon, sausage, and salami, as mentioned above, all label their main preservative; sodium nitrite. However, other meats (hamburger, steak, pork chops, chicken breast) usually are not mentioned and can vary. All these preservatives are extremely carcinogenic. All while each serving of meat has about 2/3 of an antibiotic, due to the vast amounts the animals consume. This constant influx of antibiotics is terrible for the probiotic gut flora, leading to a lowered immune system.

Now, when one eats real meat, that is to say, grass-fed organic beef, pastured pork and free-range chickens that eat bugs, the health benefits are amazing. The evidence should be self-evident, since almost every culture has a heritage of eating meat, and having extreme health. There are few vegetarian societies, namely India. Even then, they get numerous animal products, eat meat when they can, consume bugs, et cetera. Here is a good link, hopefully all this information helps you.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/

so right
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03-31-2012, 05:35 AM,
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RE: Does Eating Red Meat Kill You … Or Is The Problem That We’re Eating FAKE Meat?
Ahh, bacon. The American way! Thought I would drop off some links as to why you may want to put down the pork chop...

Part 1: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=5569
Part 2: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=5624
Part 3: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=5650
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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