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Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
03-31-2009, 01:23 AM,
#31
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
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Quote:There were 2 TV stations that reported this story, 1 with video. (Total 3, 2 written, 1 video). This is all that remains of the 3 http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/...al/story14.html
Yes, I remember that. Has there been NO other follow-up at all?

Oddly enough not. The images were removed from the archives (not unusual) of the last remaining one. What was unusual was the other being took off the archives that went away. I'm not too sure on videos, how long they last, but the written part should have still been there. Other than the initial reporting, it was hushed.

There is a guy that moved to our town that was there that day. He keeps a low profile, to the point of being paranoid. We were talking and he stated that there were multiple explosions series out. Considering this man's background (munitions specialist) most of his life, I see no reason to doubt him. He doesn't make any accusations, only that it was brought down intentionally. He worked there, but will not say doing what. There is probably not over a handful that he even admits too that he was there, and then he will not share details about anything past that. He came here to a small town, but very afraid.

Then there is a video from the UK where the lady is reporting building 7 fallen, yet it stands in the background. Also Silverstein saying to "pull it". That may have not been a bad idea with all the diesel that was stored there, but to wire it that fast?

I wasn't convinced until I looked at what had been omitted after a first report, plus the fairytale facts like the contents and building were vaporized into small particles, and yet a pretty intact piece of paper floats down with a hijacker's picture? Some of the dental forensics were done at Morristown on Montrose street and a friend that is a dentist (also Navy Reserve) was flown to the scene from here. At the Dental Center here I saw some of the teeth they were trying to identify, hard to picture anything in one piece, especially paper, making it through. The friend who was flown there to work at the scene said there wasn't even a phone book in tact.

It is a great tactic that has been used many times in the past with success. The quickness of the evidence being exported was also kind of fishy. Building 7 also contained the only evidence against Enron by the government that was enough to hang them with. Why too would one place the emergency command center in a strategic target? Money could be a motivation, true, but then again, the main function of government is to pretend to fail.
03-31-2009, 11:17 AM,
#32
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Your second paragraph is evidence, if true, that it was wired to go.

As I've said before, it makes no difference to me whether it was or not, as complicity is evident in a body of evidence.

I'm still amazed at the media trick that that administration pulled.

After all, Nixon was impeached for merely bugging his opponents. And SLUNG OUT.

How does THIS compare with THAT?
03-31-2009, 12:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2009, 01:21 PM by rsol.)
#33
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
you have just reiterated the same bullshit story you were told by the 911 commission. So the titanic starts falling against 5 Titanics but no resistance? path of least resistance seems to be missed on this. you think 15floors falling through 95 should be able to go all the way down to the bottom. Didnt newton describe equal and opposite reaction?

plus these floors are not built like the titanic. If you consider that these floors can so easily buckle underneath, why can you not imagine the half destroyed TOP being maybe a little less sturdy? That momentum attacks boths part of the building. If its so easy for 95 floors to be destroyed by a mass landing on them how can this mass stay stable enough to make an impact on these floors? just remember the top portion was connected to nothing. the bottom portion was connected to the PLANET.

You obviously haven't read the flawed Nist report that conveniently forgot that steel has this wonderful property of heat transference. Conduction would have moved alot of this fire heat down the entire frame. If you look into the Nist report, you would see that their models didn't include this. For some reason, if you put a fire next to a steel girder with no heatsink to it, it gets hotter and hotter.....wierd.

Quote:They have all agreed the towers came down in the manner described, and you won't take their word for it
"They" haven't agreed on anything. And im not taking your word for it. get you head out of the reference books and look at the situation. I along side people here have been researching this incident from day one.

Do you want me to draw you a graph? maybe put some figures describing some abstract about gravity? Will that give me more credence with you? or would you prefer it in smilies? Old man not looking very grown up. Just remember you have changed your mind about the environment before. keep it open.

Onto the environment

yes you are quite right about alot of things with sea levels. I find doubters will just point to a figure and just say "look! see? its not happening this year so its all ok" folly.

There is an obvious problem with the way big business conducts itself in the world. I think alot of the people there just simply dont care. Maybe they think we are all going to be in space by the time it all goes tits up. god knows. the denial isn't in the evidence its in the conduct. "If i burn my rubbish in my back garden, how is that going to effect to world?" if only it were just the one of you....This is not about curbing business, just what it does.

The atmosphere is only 100km high. If you were to consider that on a body, that's thinner than human ankle skin. The water on this planet is finite too. the more acidic it becomes, the less present species can function. If it were to continue, the more complex life forms will die out leaving whatever is left that can survive in those conditions. This doent mean that these life form will be able to "right" whatever is wrong. they may even make things worse.

The other issue people raise is the whole ice-age thing. "well scientists in the 70s we saying an ice-age is round the corner" That is still a possibility. As is a global melt down too. THATS WHERE WE DONT KNOW. The idea comes from imbalance. If you rock a boat enough it will capsize but from which side? port or starboard? noone can know untill the final rock happens. I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT. If there is any musicians out there you know what feedback is. you can turn down the mike or the speaker. Either will do. dont wanna give up your car? well then lets get planting!
03-31-2009, 01:19 PM,
#34
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:you think 15floors falling through 95 should be able to go all the way down to the bottom. Didnt newton describe equal and opposite reaction?

plus these floors are not built like the titanic. If you consider that these floors can so easily buckle underneath, why can you not imagine the half destroyed TOP being maybe a little less sturdy? That momentum attacks boths part of the building. If its so easy for 95 floors to be destroyed by a mass landing on them how can this mass stay stable enough to make an impact on these floors? just remember the top portion was connected to nothing. the bottom portion was connected to the PLANET.


:popcorn:
03-31-2009, 01:29 PM,
#35
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
:whipping:
03-31-2009, 01:37 PM,
#36
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote::whipping:

:LOL:( or:RTFM:)
03-31-2009, 06:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2009, 06:04 PM by ---.)
#37
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:My real objection to everyone here that this (and many others) are elaborate conspiracies is this:

To perform in real-time a very elaborate and apparently perfect demolition of TWO buildings each containing thousands of occupants and hundreds of firefighters presupposes both a demoniacal, sinister, and capable controlling intelligence.

hmm. Well you said it not me. B)I don't think that would have been needed in order to pull off the many false flags that we keep being ostracised from mainstream debate for propounding theory and presenting evidence for. But there's something indeed to be said for listening to your gut instinct. Like Tesla and his belief in intuitive knowledge - sounds like gnosis..seemed to work for him, to an extent. If you were to apply Occam's razor to the premise of the greater scheme of conspiracy, then yes, I guess that would be the conclusion to be drawn.

We could ask some of the original Atonists or John Dee what they think about such an outlandish idea but unfortunately it's a bit late for that.

What I object to is the people out there that subscribe to such a notion are branded out of hand as not being able to cope with the simplicity of reality and blame mankinds' savage intent on bogeymen instead. I can see the point but it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

[Image: big_smile.jpg]

Love this picture:)
03-31-2009, 06:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2009, 06:35 PM by ---.)
#38
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:
Quote:a semi automated system? the trajectory doesn't get any easier
Semi-automated systems are just that: they work from the airfield to a nav point, the nav point to the next nav point, and so on down to an airfield. They are not designed to fly you at low level into a large building in a large city. They aren't Tomahawk guidance systems. I'm not sure you could "key in" such a course at all. They looked pilot-flown, and I've watched a few planes flying about in my life, etc., etc.

Quote:we forget that because you say it 'was just an anomaly in the photograph'
You forget that because you have to explain where the passengers went, and why their bereaved are still visiting cemetaries with empty graves.

Quote:Big deal the top of one tower slid over 'slightly' - it certainly doesn't negate the facts that the collapses ALL denoted the hallmarks of controlled demolitions.
Where their charges didn't work right, and they struck another five buildings?

Quote:I guess everything else I've mentioned is overlooked
No. They are definitely complicit. They should have been impeached even if they weren't complicit at all.

Quote:AFAIC, I feel bad having this conversation with you
Aaaw! Then take those "warn" squares away...

oop. I just clocked this.

I don't have any 'warn squares' they are already taken away.. :P I only felt bad having the conversation because in the end you'll feel worn down by the subject with the stance you're taking - there's too much evidence pointing emphatically to a conspiracy.

I don't think that the blow outs which followed in succession down the side of the building were due to compression explosions they were too precise, systematic and followed to a tee controlled demolition squib like patterns - form watching footage of many other controlled demo's. I know about patterns I'm an aspie:P

I'm not sure that 'vagueries' in the photo is enough to debunk the very prominent pod like object in the footage.

- I don't know what happened to the passengers:(

but I'd like to remind you of this again that Hilly put up:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/...al/story14.html

I think the charges 'worked' alright.

I accept your professional opinion as to the planes 'looking' pilot controlled but I'm not going dismiss the idea of remote assistance - considering the turn that had to be acheived to get down into Manhattan and into line with the WTC TWIN* towers

*I remember reading a groovy book I happened to have from the 20's or so - I don't remember the author's name but I do remember her going on about America being in the sign of Gemini *shrugs* ie the TWINS

I'm not drawing parallels though lol - maybe I should make a post about it on the synchromysticism forums - they find out some amazingly quirky things.
04-01-2009, 12:47 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-01-2009, 01:14 AM by JazzRoc.)
#39
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:you have just reiterated the same bullshit story you were told by the 911 commission.
You consistently misunderstand me. I am an engineer, and didn't read their report at all. I looked carefully at all of the simulations for anything which clashed with my understanding, and found nothing.

Quote:So the titanic starts falling against 5 Titanics but no resistance? path of least resistance seems to be missed on this. you think 15 floors falling through 95 should be able to go all the way down to the bottom. Didn't newton describe equal and opposite reaction?
Well, I've spent a lot of time breaking things carefully, making explosives and analyzing energetic effects. I have described to you the massive momentum the moving building had. What more can I do? Force you to go through my training? Aren't you the guy who thinks lower clouds are made of darker materials?

Quote:plus these floors are not built like the titanic. If you consider that these floors can so easily buckle underneath, why can you not imagine the half destroyed TOP being maybe a little less sturdy? That momentum attacks boths part of the building. If its so easy for 95 floors to be destroyed by a mass landing on them how can this mass stay stable enough to make an impact on these floors? just remember the top portion was connected to nothing. the bottom portion was connected to the PLANET.
It doesn't matter WHAT shape the upper floors were in. All that counted was their mass (adding the mass of an additional floor as they met them). They didn't have to be rigid at all. They certainly weren't.

Quote:You obviously haven't read the flawed Nist report that conveniently forgot that steel has this wonderful property of heat transference. Conduction would have moved a lot of this fire heat down the entire frame. If you look into the Nist report, you would see that their models didn't include this. For some reason, if you put a fire next to a steel girder with no heatsink to it, it gets hotter and hotter.....weird.
The ceilings and the remaining glazing were INSULATORS. There was EIGHTY TONS of kerosine. Steel softens at the melting point of aluminum. That's why blacksmithing is a business.

Quote:"They" haven't agreed on anything. And im not taking your word for it. get you head out of the reference books and look at the situation. I along side people here have been researching this incident from day one.
And your profession is computers isn't it? Would you wish me to suggest to you exactly how incapable you are in the conducting of your profession? Because - that's what you are doing to me. I already know to take neither engineering nor scientific advice from you.

Quote:you have changed your mind about the environment before.
That is quite different.

Quote:"well scientists in the 70s we saying an ice-age is round the corner" That is still a possibility.
Sure. In 16,000 years. In the early seventies the ratio of science papers suggesting cooling to papers suggesting warming was SEVEN to FORTY-FOUR.

Quote:As is a global melt down too. THATS WHERE WE DONT KNOW. The idea comes from imbalance. If you rock a boat enough it will capsize but from which side? port or starboard? noone can know untill the final rock happens. I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT. If there is any musicians out there you know what feedback is. you can turn down the mike or the speaker. Either will do. dont wanna give up your car? well then lets get planting!
With you some of the way (a tipping-point is a much better analogy than a rocking boat)... ...but even so it may already be too late.
04-01-2009, 09:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-01-2009, 09:41 AM by ---.)
#40
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:What more can I do? Force you to go through my training? Aren't you the guy who thinks lower clouds are made of darker materials?

ouch!! hiss hisss meoww!


LOL

is evasion one of the qualities engineers are trained in it has to be wondered?:rolleyes:

yes rsol I do love this emoticon:popcorn:I would like to see the questions you posited answered too, by a self designated professional in the field of explosion and demolition.:)

Can we not see the research that you did into JR?
04-03-2009, 03:56 PM,
#41
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:Can we not see the research that you did into JR?

:signs021:----------:signs064:----------:level1_don017:
04-09-2009, 12:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-09-2009, 12:26 PM by rsol.)
#42
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
goes to show you. here comes the change. hes probably gonna realize when he puts his mind into trying to disprove me:0 whatever works is fine:)

Im an engineer in many ways jazz, social being my fave. So, please maybe replace those shades with some reading glasses, have a sip of wine, re-read the passage again and come back to me. You might want to look at the other tread too. NIST, have a look at the video they "produced" depicting the fall of wtc7. Can you find the issue i have with it? like a where's wally but with logical fallacy..

try not to debunk debunkers of debunkers. Its always messy and leads to grammatical errors:)


:popcorn:
04-11-2009, 10:50 AM,
#43
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:jazz please explain why temperatures were crazy hot on the ground surface (recorded by NASA). It was melting the workers boots. This was under all three buildings. Does all that kinetic energy get converted into concrete dust and heat? maybe all the already spent jet fuel reignited under the rubble? the talk of molten metal "glowing" "like a foundry".
The buildings were travelling faster than this F4, for instance, so I cannot understand why you find the concept of vaporization/atomization so difficult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOK6CnFMaL4
04-11-2009, 12:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2009, 04:59 PM by ---.)
#44
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Quote:
Quote:jazz please explain why temperatures were crazy hot on the ground surface (recorded by NASA). It was melting the workers boots. This was under all three buildings. Does all that kinetic energy get converted into concrete dust and heat? maybe all the already spent jet fuel reignited under the rubble? the talk of molten metal "glowing" "like a foundry".
The buildings were travelling faster than this F4, for instance, so I cannot understand why you find the concept of vaporization/atomization so difficult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOK6CnFMaL4

Indeed.

Quote:"Ten floors a second"


was the average stated. why they just fell like they'd beeen rigged:rolleyes:


what about the 'crimp' of WTC 7 btw? :P
Quote:

Quote:"Is this real world or exercise? Is this real world or exercise?"


combat pilot to NORAD.

The ineffectiveness and confusion in response by air defence was primarily due to the strangely similar exercises being run that day, such as 'vigilant warrior' that threw incorporated false blips onto radar screens and created a scenario of 22 possible hijackings.

This and various groundings.


anything fishy in that, JR? How about when the same thing occurred in London - same MO - get's fishy yet?

Quote:"We designed the buildings to take the impact of the Boeing 707.ah..hitting the building at any location."

Les Robertson. WTC Structural Engineer

I guess this engineer knew shit about the buildings, considering he designed them and he has been 'officially' proven wrong:rolleyes:


Really looking forward to seeing your research into it.sincerely. B) :P
04-11-2009, 04:34 PM,
#45
Is Oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?
Uhm.... O2 depletion... not WTC7? Or is this topic 9-11 now?


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