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Sweet Toxins
02-11-2012, 12:01 AM,
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Rainbow  Sweet Toxins
Sweet Toxins

Faye Sakellaridis

Recent research on sugar leads some to argue that it should be regulated like alcohol or tobacco.

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http://www.realitysandwich.com/sweet_toxins
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02-11-2012, 05:09 AM,
#2
RE: Sweet Toxins
A total load of bullshit Im afraid. Try reading the work of the likes of Dr Ray Peat. There is ton of science out there proving it is PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids) that are the problem in modern society, mainly through the nonsense of 'healthy' vegetable oils, not the use of sugar. There is no such thing as an essential fatty acid. The supposed study which showed this, was flawed. When repeated, the rats needed only additional vitamins as there metabolism had dramatically improved without any 'essential' fats.

Advanced glycation end-products, or AGEs, are caused mainly by PUFAs. Without them, there is a great reduction in their formation and hence a corresponding longevity or slowed aging.

Sugar is the right amount is actually beneficial to humans. PUFAs have NO PLACE in the human body. Ironic that they say to keep the likes of Udo's oil or Flaxseed oil below 25 C or it will oxidize. So what exactly happens in the human body at 37 C???
Oxidation!
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02-11-2012, 08:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-11-2012, 08:01 AM by thokling.)
#3
RE: Sweet Toxins
nwo2012, could you please, for the love of mercy, stop shattering these paradigms we hold so dearly? Fuck, one moment you say the coolest thing, and the next moment I get pissed off with you and your "oh, you know what, this is wrong, and this is wrong, and here's the research to prove it, and blah blah blah, yadda yadda", open-minded, educated way of thinking that you seem to thrive on.

If I wanted an emotional rollercoaster trip, I'd hook up with a bipolar chick. (And they're probably better in bed!)

More fucking research to do. Thanks a whole lot! <grumbles while enthusiastically conducting a Web search behind nwo2012's back...>
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02-11-2012, 08:16 AM,
#4
RE: Sweet Toxins

Today David Duke interviewed Dr. William Davis. It's nothing new but has its merits. I tried it for three months and lost 25 pd. The problem occurs when you like to drink alcohol. Anyway here's today's Duke: http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/959bk7asf3/duke_20120210.mp3
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02-11-2012, 02:39 PM,
#5
RE: Sweet Toxins
(02-11-2012, 08:00 AM)thokling Wrote: nwo2012, could you please, for the love of mercy, stop shattering these paradigms we hold so dearly? Fuck, one moment you say the coolest thing, and the next moment I get pissed off with you and your "oh, you know what, this is wrong, and this is wrong, and here's the research to prove it, and blah blah blah, yadda yadda", open-minded, educated way of thinking that you seem to thrive on.

If I wanted an emotional rollercoaster trip, I'd hook up with a bipolar chick. (And they're probably better in bed!)

More fucking research to do. Thanks a whole lot! <grumbles while enthusiastically conducting a Web search behind nwo2012's back...>

Lol. Just looking out for the health of my friends. Wink
Yep, it turned my Krill Oil and flaxseed oil supplementation on its head.

Polyunsaturated Fats Suppress The Immune System


Quote:Polyunsaturated fats (PUFs) are greatly immunosuppressive. The first person to suggest that polyunsaturated fats suppress the immune system was Dr E A Newsholme of Oxford University, England.[i] What Newsholme wrote was that when our bodies get sufficient nutrition, our diet includes immunosuppressive PUFs which make us prone to infection by bacteria and viruses. When we are starved, however, our body stores of PUFs are depleted. This allows our bodies' immune systems to recover which, in turn, allows us to fight existing infection and prevent other infections.

He was making the point that the immunosuppressive effects of PUFs in sunflower seeds are useful in treating autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis,[ii] and that the same fatty acids could be used to suppress the immune system to prevent rejection of kidney transplants.

See people with autoimmune disease or responses may see some benefit from suppressing their immune system with PUFA. I have this allergy to latex, courtesy of the Hep B vaccines forced on healthcare workers. I know for sure because I did not have it prior to the vaccine course and also the vaccine itself contained latex (found that out after waking up of course). I only develop a rash on my right hand in between the index and middle finger when I am in contact with any source of latext, even if I juice some beetroots that were held together by an elastic band when I purchased them. Anyways long story short, this did not appear at all while I was taking Krill oil and flaxseed oil. Then I happened across Ray Peat's writings/research on PUFAs. Stopped taking them and within a few weeks Im back to the really sensitive allergy again. Same with mosquito bites, they now swell up and itch like crazy the same way as they used to before I started PUFA supplements. I would rather have a stronger immune system thank you very much.
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02-12-2012, 06:13 AM,
#6
RE: Sweet Toxins
(02-11-2012, 02:39 PM)nwo2012 Wrote:
(02-11-2012, 08:00 AM)thokling Wrote: More fucking research to do. Thanks a whole lot! <grumbles while enthusiastically conducting a Web search behind nwo2012's back...>

Lol. Just looking out for the health of my friends. Wink
Yep, it turned my Krill Oil and flaxseed oil supplementation on its head.

Polyunsaturated Fats Suppress The Immune System

Interesting that. I'm having a cursory glance at PUFA (polyunsaturated fatty acids) here, and it appears that their relationships to cancer are dependent upon the source from which they're acquired. From a 2011 study detailed at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021439/?tool=pmcentrez:

Quote:PUFA largely obtained from fish... inhibit the proliferation of breast cancer cells in vitro and reduce the initiation and progression of breast tumors in laboratory animals... EPA and DHA intake from fish oil supplements was not associated with breast cancer outcomes. The investigation indicates that marine fatty acids from food are associated with reduced risk of additional breast cancer events and all-cause mortality.

In other words, PUFA from fish can be more beneficial than those from mere supplements.

Clearly there's a difference between various PUF/PUFA in terms of structure depending upon their sources (and likely processing regimen). Fortunately, the question of what kinds of fatty acids are best to consume is already relatively simplified by focusing on specific foods, though the question still arises as some foods still have a variety of different types of fats, the levels of which are also dependent upon the specific food.

There's, too, the metabolic and dietary state of an individual that adds to the mix - the article you noted supported the notion that some level of starvation of nutrients can reduce the amount of PUFA, thereby preventing cancer in the first place.

Amazing stuff.

(02-11-2012, 02:39 PM)nwo2012 Wrote: I only develop a rash on my right hand in between the index and middle finger when I am in contact with any source of [latex]... this did not appear at all while I was taking Krill oil and flaxseed oil. Then I happened across Ray Peat's writings/research on PUFAs. Stopped taking them and within a few weeks Im back to the really sensitive allergy again. Same with mosquito bites, they now swell up and itch like crazy the same way as they used to before I started PUFA supplements. I would rather have a stronger immune system thank you very much.

And, as the PUFA supplements themselves are assisting your immunity, there's then the note that different types of immunological issues can result depending upon the type of supplement. Damn.

Plenty to think about.

It's rare that I find myself with any sort of viral or bacteriological illness, and yet I don't find any hyperimmunological issues occurring in my life. (A paternal aunt contracted scleroderma, and contracted cancer during the chemotherapy treatment, but otherwise the family's pretty healthy. Except for the maternal side, whose issues with cancer are caused by stress rather than any genetic or dietary factors.)

So I'm going to stick with the diet I've got and kinda glance more at this. One almost needs a degree to figure out the sheer maze of data, evidence and biological foundations, and the correlations thereof.
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02-12-2012, 12:39 PM,
#7
RE: Sweet Toxins
Absolutely, there is so much data to go over. Try reading more of Dr Ray Peat's research, some interesting stuff. For me the whole PUFA stuff makes sense. Im playing it safe an sticking with just a little coconut oil daily along with my raw dairy as my fat sources. And the odd bit of raw grass-fed beef too.
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02-12-2012, 03:29 PM,
#8
RE: Sweet Toxins
The body also talks in its own language - how it feels, or, more specifically, how you feel. Listen closely enough, and it'll tell you precisely what kind of diet is best. (At least it does for me.)
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

- "If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise, we do not believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
- "Humans are not a rational animal, but a rationalizing one." - Leon Festinger

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02-12-2012, 10:48 PM,
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RE: Sweet Toxins
(02-12-2012, 03:29 PM)thokling Wrote: The body also talks in its own language - how it feels, or, more specifically, how you feel. Listen closely enough, and it'll tell you precisely what kind of diet is best. (At least it does for me.)

Yes that is very true. I have never felt this good in a long time. Im same as yoi, never get infections or viruses. In fact Im about the only one at work that doesn't get 'seasonal' flu.
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02-13-2012, 05:47 AM,
#10
RE: Sweet Toxins
(02-12-2012, 10:48 PM)nwo2012 Wrote: Im same as yoi, never get infections or viruses. In fact Im about the only one at work that doesn't get 'seasonal' flu.

I used to get it yearly during Autumn up to a decade and a half ago. Last time I got ill was last October (a two-week rash with flu-like symptoms), and prior to that was in 2001 (a lung infection caused by working outside during the wee hours). Every other time I chalked it up to food poisoning or some other ingestion-related cause, since it only lasted a day at most.

As for sugars, though, http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=27678&hit=1 opened my eyes up quite a bit about carbs (and confirmed some suspicions I had about studies). Going to watch Fat Head later tonight - surprised I didn't nab it back in November when it was uploaded, but everything works out in the long run.
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

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- "Humans are not a rational animal, but a rationalizing one." - Leon Festinger

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02-13-2012, 10:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2012, 12:50 AM by nwo2012.)
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RE: Sweet Toxins
The problem with Tom Naughton's ideas is that lumping fat together, I think he does but never actually read his stuff, blurs reality.
It is saturated fat that is in fact healthy for us but PUFAs via vegetable oils that is toxic. Same with sugar, it is the over-eating of grains and starches that causes obesity.
Of course I don't class that toxic shit that is HFCS as a sugar. That is just processed junk, actually found to contain mercury on many occasions.

http://articles.healthrealizations.com/DaVinciHolisticHealthCenter/2012/02/13/Warning-Your-Soft-Drinks-and-Favorite-Snacks.aspx?SubscriberEmail=paulstraining@gmail.com

Quote:after testing samples of commercial HFCS, researchers found nearly half of the samples contained mercury.

The first study, published in Environmental Health, found mercury in nine out of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The second study, conducted by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP), a non-profit watchdog group, detected mercury in nearly one-third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first or second highest labeled
Ingredient -- including products by Quaker, Hershey’s, Kraft and Smucker’s.

Mercury was most prevalent in HFCS-containing dairy products, followed by dressings and condiments, according to the IATP study.
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02-14-2012, 12:38 PM,
#12
RE: Sweet Toxins
Perhaps some of his points lump fats together, but I get the impression Naughton's trying to put things in such a way that the masses understand the concepts. (The biggest point I've taken away is how to differentiate between observational and clinical studies, which I'd learned decades ago but somehow forgot.)

The rest of your points I'm in agreement with. I've gotten halfway through Fat Head (was exhausted from other things when I began watching it), but I've decided to focus less on grains and carbs and more on meats and cheeses. I can't eliminate broccoli, though - that stuff is pure magic. Cabbage had also replaced lettuce in my diet perhaps a couple of years ago.

Scary shit about HFCS, there. Someone gave me some HFCS pancake syrup that I can't stand. Should just throw the crap out.
Truth appears in many forms. Find those that resonate with you.

- "If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise, we do not believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
- "Humans are not a rational animal, but a rationalizing one." - Leon Festinger

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02-14-2012, 11:51 PM,
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RE: Sweet Toxins
(02-14-2012, 12:38 PM)thokling Wrote: Perhaps some of his points lump fats together, but I get the impression Naughton's trying to put things in such a way that the masses understand the concepts. (The biggest point I've taken away is how to differentiate between observational and clinical studies, which I'd learned decades ago but somehow forgot.)

The rest of your points I'm in agreement with. I've gotten halfway through Fat Head (was exhausted from other things when I began watching it), but I've decided to focus less on grains and carbs and more on meats and cheeses. I can't eliminate broccoli, though - that stuff is pure magic. Cabbage had also replaced lettuce in my diet perhaps a couple of years ago.

Scary shit about HFCS, there. Someone gave me some HFCS pancake syrup that I can't stand. Should just throw the crap out.


Good place to focus on. Im lucky yo be able to have a source of organic raw milk so make my own kefir and cheeses. Broccoli and cabbage are not so bad, but cook them the majority of the time due the goitogrenic effect. I rather avoid them but I think they will not do you harm in moderation. Dr Ray Peat is very big on potato protein. I juice them which separates the protein from the cellulose and starch. Actually makes a very pleasant soup with the right herbs and spices. Also it appears to be healthier to eat the less 'quality' cuts of meat, with skin and fat as well as organ meats, rather than the more expensive steaks due to their better amino acid profile (high in tryptophan and cysteine and low in glycine). This goes against what I used to think as a bodybuilder, lol. Good to take gelatin alongside meats to help balance out the amino acids and increase glycine intake. I made my own jelly beans for this purpose, from organic gelatin of course. Wink

HFCS, straight into the bin with that garbage!
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