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NASA is a Fraud
08-12-2012, 08:07 PM,
#16
RE: NASA is a Fraud
(08-12-2012, 07:03 PM)Nexus23 Wrote:
(08-09-2012, 09:43 AM)Anarchist Wrote: The government lies about almost everything,, why think they would tell the truth about the moon landing?

"If the government said it, it's a lie" is a simplistic and delusional axiom. This kind of conspiracy-influenced thinking is the source of a great deal of distorted perceptions. Of course the government lies, but do they lie about 'almost everything'? No. Keeping track of such a sprawling web of deception would be impossible and would render them completely untenable, even to the uncritical masses.

Quote:Or, perhaps we did go to the moon, but we do not anymore because the government has some large amount of bases or who knows what? I have no idea. For all I know, there are Nazis on the moon.

So you don't think the Apollo missions were real, but you DO think it's possible that there are secret bases and Nazis there...

/facepalm

The moon landing was a huge event, one that moved the entire nation. While the government may not lie about the little things as much, they tend to lie, distort, and exaggerate the truth, especially in big events. I am not saying it was a hoax, but I am not saying it was not.

As for the latter part, it was a joke. Sarcasm. You are not capable of understanding a joke, but you DO believe the government hands down...

/facepalm
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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08-13-2012, 02:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-13-2012, 02:30 AM by Nexus23.)
#17
RE: NASA is a Fraud
(08-09-2012, 09:43 AM)Anarchist Wrote: The government lies about almost everything,, why think they would tell the truth about the moon landing?

Quote:The moon landing was a huge event, one that moved the entire nation. While the government may not lie about the little things as much, they tend to lie, distort, and exaggerate the truth, especially in big events.

Well that's not what you said. You said they lie about "almost everything."

Quote: I am not saying it was a hoax, but I am not saying it was not.

So you're saying nothing then...

Quote:As for the latter part, it was a joke. Sarcasm.


I don't think I believe you. If it was supposed to be a joke, you'll have to work on making them funny so people understand.

Quote:but you DO believe the government hands down...

Heh, nice move inferring completely absent opinions of mine there. You should have paid more attention to the part where I wrote, "Of course the government lies".
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08-13-2012, 05:20 AM,
#18
RE: NASA is a Fraud
(08-13-2012, 02:28 AM)Nexus23 Wrote:
(08-09-2012, 09:43 AM)Anarchist Wrote: The government lies about almost everything,, why think they would tell the truth about the moon landing?

Quote:The moon landing was a huge event, one that moved the entire nation. While the government may not lie about the little things as much, they tend to lie, distort, and exaggerate the truth, especially in big events.

Well that's not what you said. You said they lie about "almost everything."

They do lie about almost everything. But they is rather general. Certain groups may not lie as much as others, and some (such as police departments) vary depending on location. But government lies, and about quite a substantial amount of information. Perhaps I should have been more specific, seeing as you are nit-picky... The government lies about almost everything

(08-13-2012, 02:28 AM)Nexus23 Wrote:
Quote: I am not saying it was a hoax, but I am not saying it was not.

So you're saying nothing then...

I am saying I have not studied it at all to really make a decision. Or should I jump to assumptions like you seem to do?

(08-13-2012, 02:28 AM)Nexus23 Wrote:
Quote:As for the latter part, it was a joke. Sarcasm.


I don't think I believe you. If it was supposed to be a joke, you'll have to work on making them funny so people understand.

That clip is a trailer for the movie Iron Sky, a movie about Nazis on the moon invading earth. Perhaps if you read the description... Maybe it was not funny. All I was saying was it is hard to distinguish what is true anymore.

(08-13-2012, 02:28 AM)Nexus23 Wrote:
Quote:but you DO believe the government hands down...

Heh, nice move inferring completely absent opinions of mine there. You should have paid more attention to the part where I wrote, "Of course the government lies".

Referring to the moon landing. Must I be so specific, or are you incapable of deductions?
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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08-19-2012, 12:09 AM,
#19
RE: NASA is a Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6MVsmi6z8&feature=youtu.be

Peter Levenda's Secret Space Program video lecture.

Basically he says NASA is controlled by the Nazis who secretly organize globally and secretly sabotage U.S. technology and then lie to the U.S. public about it and also assassinated JFK for going against the secret military agenda of the space program.
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08-19-2012, 01:46 PM,
#20
RE: NASA is a Fraud
It always amuses me when people start throwing their "expert" opinions around regarding the validity or not, of the moon landings. All we can do is speculate on these things. People talk about the Van Allen Belt problem but truthfully can any of us really say we know anything about the dangers of travelling through it? Having never been in outer space myself I don't know if it's hazardous or not. Unless I try to build my own ship and travel to the moon myself then everything I have to say about the moon hoax theory has to be guesswork surely. Just because some TV show talks about the flag waving and the dust sprays from lunar lander tyres and the lack of stars in the photographs,that doesn't mean anything unless I take footage of these things myself from the surface of the moon and then compare my footage to the NASA stock. NONE OF US have any experience of the conditions on the moon and therefore have nothing to base any criticism on. The real truth is that I don't have a fucking clue whether or not man went to the moon. They may not have and politically and historically one can find many good reasons why someone would want or need to fake such a thing but until the day that footage appears of Armstrong on the soundstage eating a bagel next to the lunar lander it will remain an unsolved mystery in my eyes.
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08-21-2012, 10:28 PM,
#21
RE: NASA is a Fraud
(08-19-2012, 01:46 PM)ezekiel73 Wrote: It always amuses me when people start throwing their "expert" opinions around regarding the validity or not, of the moon landings. All we can do is speculate on these things. People talk about the Van Allen Belt problem but truthfully can any of us really say we know anything about the dangers of travelling through it? Having never been in outer space myself I don't know if it's hazardous or not. Unless I try to build my own ship and travel to the moon myself then everything I have to say about the moon hoax theory has to be guesswork surely. Just because some TV show talks about the flag waving and the dust sprays from lunar lander tyres and the lack of stars in the photographs,that doesn't mean anything unless I take footage of these things myself from the surface of the moon and then compare my footage to the NASA stock. NONE OF US have any experience of the conditions on the moon and therefore have nothing to base any criticism on. The real truth is that I don't have a fucking clue whether or not man went to the moon. They may not have and politically and historically one can find many good reasons why someone would want or need to fake such a thing but until the day that footage appears of Armstrong on the soundstage eating a bagel next to the lunar lander it will remain an unsolved mystery in my eyes.

You don't always need experience in a specific field directly to draw some obvious conclusions. For example I do not have to have snow boarded to understand if it is possible or not. I do not need to have driven at the world record speed to believe that it was possible or not. This same principle can be taken to the moon landings.
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08-22-2012, 01:59 AM,
#22
RE: NASA is a Fraud
I don't think that follows sekular. You can't try out a moon landing whereas you can snowboard and drive as fast as possible. There is only one way to scientifically prove the moon landing, repeat the experiment. We have to accept the moon landing on faith, and the institutions we have had faith in have been shown to be riddled with corruption. What are the odds that every government institution except NASA was riddled with corruption?
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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08-22-2012, 07:26 PM,
#23
RE: NASA is a Fraud
How paranoid do you have to be to start questioning facts like moon landings?

“Ringed by footprints, sitting in the moondust, lies a 2-foot wide panel studded with 100 mirrors pointing at Earth: the "lunar laser ranging retroreflector array." Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong put it there on July 21, 1969, about an hour before the end of their final moonwalk. Thirty-five years later, it's the only Apollo science experiment still running.”

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
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08-22-2012, 08:37 PM,
#24
RE: NASA is a Fraud
(08-22-2012, 07:26 PM)DoomSayer Wrote: How paranoid do you have to be to start questioning facts like moon landings?

“Ringed by footprints, sitting in the moondust, lies a 2-foot wide panel studded with 100 mirrors pointing at Earth: the "lunar laser ranging retroreflector array." Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong put it there on July 21, 1969, about an hour before the end of their final moonwalk. Thirty-five years later, it's the only Apollo science experiment still running.”

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/

For me it's not so much a question of them not going to the moon. They probably did, however, the question of wether or not the footage and photographs we have been given are real is valid and many of the photos are simply inconsistent. I can easily imagine a scenario where the Americans, who were attempting an extremely risky feat did not want the high possibility of the deaths of three astronauts shown on tv. Do you not think it possible that maybe the American Government and NASA did not want the most watched broadcast in history at the time to be beamed in to our homes showing images of fiery death or disaster on the moon? They may well have faked the footage as an insurance against that eventuality. The moon landing was (if you accept the official view of history) was too big to fail politically and socially. There is nothing straightforward about the Apolllo missions and the myths surrounding them and though I agree the fact of the reflectors throws many of the conspiratorial views out of the window but there are still many, many questions about the moon landings that do not have satisfactory answers. It's not paranoia to want to explore all the possibilities, just interest in the truth
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08-23-2012, 12:18 AM,
#25
RE: NASA is a Fraud
Moon dust is completely dry with the consistency something like that of flour, so footprints and tread marks are also suspicious.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
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08-23-2012, 11:25 PM,
#26
RE: NASA is a Fraud
iso thats bollocks. in no way does that make foot prints suspicious. Its like you have never actually handled flour.
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08-24-2012, 01:10 AM,
#27
RE: NASA is a Fraud
Read what I said again.
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi


Each of us is put here in this time and this place to personally decide the future of humankind.
Did you think you were put here for something less?
Chief Arvol Looking Horse
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08-24-2012, 09:17 AM,
#28
RE: NASA is a Fraud
Quote:Moon dust is completely dry with the consistency something like that of flour, so footprints and tread marks are also suspicious.

I'm not sure how i could of misread that statement. I'll read it again...

Nope! still bollocks!
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