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Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
11-02-2011, 03:48 PM,
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Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
Here's a totally random story for you. Imagine, if three weeks ago, when I discovered my son had half eaten a carrot he'd grabbed in the store, for which the employee I told from the large chain retailer simply said, "I don't think we'll have to worry about that", but what would have happened if they'd "followed protocol".

Remember people, we're not machines...

Quote:Pregnant mom says sandwich arrest was 'horrifying'
By JENNIFER SINCO KELLEHER, Associated Press, Tues 1 Nov 2011

HONOLULU (AP) — Nicole Leszczynski couldn't imagine that two chicken salad sandwiches would land her and her husband in jail and her 2-year-old daughter in state custody. But it happened five days ago, when the 30-weeks-pregnant woman forgot to pay for her snack while grocery shopping.

"It was the most ridiculous chain of events that happened," she said while sobbing Monday. "It's still hard to believe what happened."

Leszczynski, 28, and her husband Marcin, 33, were handcuffed, searched then released on $50 bail each. Their ordeal at the police station lasted a few hours, but their daughter Zofia spent the night away from her parents in a case that has sparked nationwide outrage and forced the Safeway supermarket chain to review the incident.

The family had moved to an apartment near downtown Honolulu from California two weeks ago. Still settling in, they ventured out Wednesday to stock up on groceries, took the bus, got lost, and ended up at a Safeway supermarket.

Famished, the former Air Force staff sergeant picked up the two sandwiches that together cost $5. She openly munched on one while they shopped, saving the wrapper to be scanned at the register later.

But they forgot to pay for the sandwiches as they checked out with about $50 worth of groceries.

"When the security guard questioned us, I was really embarrassed, I was horrified," she said. They were led upstairs, where the couple expected to get a lecture, pay for the sandwiches, and be allowed on their way.

But store managers wouldn't allow them to pay for the sandwiches, she said.

"I asked to talk to a manager and he said it was against their policy to pay for items that left the store," she said. "The security guard said we were being charged with shoplifting."

Four hours later, a police officer arrived and read them their rights. A woman from the state Child Welfare Services arrived to take Zofia away.

The pregnant mother said she tried to keep her composure until Zofia, who turns 3 in December, left the store. "I didn't want Zofia to be scared because she's never spent a night away from us. She didn't have her stuffed animal. She didn't have her toothbrush."

But as soon as her daughter left, "I got completely hysterical. I went to the bathroom and I threw up," she recalled.

A Honolulu police spokeswoman said it was procedure to call Child Welfare Services if a child is present when both parents are arrested. The store's management did not know the girl would be taken away, said Susan Houghton, a spokeswoman for California-based Safeway.

The national supermarket chain said it was looking into the incident. "It was never our intent to separate a mother from her child. That was a very unfortunate consequence to this situation," Houghton said. "We understand the outrage. We are concerned about how this was handled."

Leszczynski called the incident "so horrifying, it seemed to escalate and no one could say, 'this is too much.'"

The couple was handcuffed and driven separately to police headquarters a few blocks away, where they were searched, had their mug shots taken and then released after paying bail. A police officer escorted them back to the store — which banned them for a year, Leszczynski said — where they picked up their groceries and walked home just before midnight.

"We basically stared at each other all night. We woke up at the crack of dawn and called (the state child welfare office)," Leszczynski said. While they waited, Leszczynski vented about the experience on babycenter.com and contacted a lawyer for help with being reunited with Zofia. At the lawyer's suggestion, they took their story to the media.

Zofia was returned after an 18-hour separation from her parents.

The couple is charged with fourth-degree theft, a petty misdemeanor, and has a court date on Nov. 28, according to the city prosecutor's office. The family hasn't decided whether it will pursue legal action against Safeway.

Houghton said the company will review the police report and store security footage before deciding whether to press charges.
Source: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Pregnant-mom-says-sandwich-arrest-was-horrifying-2245391.php





Quote:Safeway president drops sandwich charges, offers apology
Although many agree with Safeway's handling of the situation, the chain welcomes the family back
November 2nd, 2011 by Nicholas Whittaker

Safeway has decided not to press charges over sandwiches stolen from a Honolulu supermarket.

On Tuesday, one of the chain’s regional presidents, Karl Schroeder, phoned Nicole and Marcin Leszczynski to offer his condolences. “He apologized for what she’s been through,” spokeswoman Susan Houghton said.

Although Houghton acknowledged that store management followed procedure, it was regrettable that the couple’s 2-year old child was taken away as a result. ”We want to do the right thing here,” the spokeswoman told the Associated Press. “Families are important to us.”

That was consolation for expectant mother, Nicole.

“I feel relieved that the charges are being dropped and he kind of did make an apology,” she said. “Now that we have our daughter back and we’re not in jail, that’s our biggest concern.”

Nicole and Marcin Leszczynski were arrested and their 2-year old daughter Zofia was taken for 18 hours by Child Protective Services over $5 worth of sandwiches at a Honolulu Safeway. Screenshot via AP

The day after the incident, Nicole told reporters that she emailed Safeway to say that they didn’t mean to take the sandwiches without paying. “It was just a slip, a mommy-brain moment, I guess,” she said.

Not only does Safeway accept that the couple forgot to pay, Houghton said that they are also no longer banned from the store.

The controversial shoplifting case has caused a ripple through the Safeway chain and will undoubtedly change how managers and employees are trained. “In this case, it was not handled in the appropriate manner and we wanted to correct that,” Houghton said.

The incident has ignited nationwide outrage on both sides of the issue. Many people believe there is no excuse for eating sandwiches in the store before paying for them. According to Nicole, “I didn’t know it was such a taboo thing. Where I grew up in a small town it’s not seen as stealing for sure.”

Still others feel that even with intent, there is no excuse for taking away the couple’s child. “Rules are rules, but come on this is ridiculous,” one commenter wrote.

While the couple no longer needs their lawyer to fight the criminal charges, the question remains whether the couple will file a suit. “I haven’t even considered it because I was just so worried about the charges,” Nicole said. “I do feel like something went terribly wrong and we were abused in some way.”
Source: http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/11/02/safeway-president-drops-sandwich-charges-offers-apology/
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11-03-2011, 12:12 AM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
Stuff like this REALLY pisses me off. I am currently going through a huge custody battle and wish CPS would have "taken the kids" from their Mom.

My ex has been arrested for drugs, contributing to the delinquency of Minors (buying booze for underage kids and letting them party at her house), driving without a liscence , drunk driving... All in the last two years.

From July to Sept the police were called three times to fights at her home (my son was required to testify in one of the fights) one of which resulted in her being taken to the Hospital for Alcohol Poisoning.

The State will NOT step in to help. I keep hearing about how horrible CPS is in that they are so quick to take children- Well, I am still having to go to Court. My Son is living with me for the past three months and I was almost arrested (thats when I called CPS- The police said I had to return him or face arrest. I returned him and called CPS)... He is "temporarily" living with me now but I still have to pay child support until court (in February) AND she was given a free lawyer from the state (poor single mother). CPS found and documented a trashed house, booze bottles everywhere, no Food , etc... They said it "wasn't enough to take my Son" except on a "temporary" basis.

So here in Michigan, the bitch can have a trashed house, no food, drug arrests (recent) , providing kids with booze arrest (recent), etc, etc, etc, and it isnt "enough" but in Hawaii a simple mistake results in an overreaction. WTF?

This makes me pissed- Hence the "run on sentences " and poor explanation of my situation.
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11-03-2011, 05:15 AM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
One could state this is a downside of allowing humanity to manage itself, however I would tend more toward the thought that this is a downside of allowing people, trained by the system to be unthinking, any sort of authority to manage society.

Safeway was, in my opinion, correct in handling the theft the way it did. Otherwise, people would take advantage of the situation and claim "brain fart" for clear theft.

Child protection services was correct in handling the arrest the way it did. What else should have happened with the kid while her parents were in jail?

Combine both, and that's where the problem really started.

Safeway could also have offered to pay $100 to the parents to cover bail just to keep its image shining bright.
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11-03-2011, 08:26 PM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
If it was the mother who took the product though, the father should have been available to look after their child. Sadly this, in my humble opinion, is where protocol needed to be looked at. Were there family members or friends that could have looked after the child, a carer the child was already familiar with?

And like many, as well as the woman herself have pointed out, would such action have happened years ago?

Given the same situation, as an employee, I'd have first asked, "do you realise you haven't paid for that?", therefore providing a very decent, and down to earth way of sorting the situation before further action.

Like I said, in essence my son and I should have been arrested given the same "protocol" as he ate half a carrot in-store a few weeks back. I'm glad I live in a small town though, it makes all the difference.
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11-03-2011, 09:58 PM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
curious did the wrapers leave the store.. cause if not then they should have technically been able to pay for them after the fact.

other thing and safe way is lucky the stress of the incident didn't induce labor or cause harm to the baby, if her blood pressure sky rocketed in panic...Icon_sad

as for the policy vs a drone manager? hummm being a hard ass for policy myself i think it's the people which would have been the deciding factor. a vet and prego... with kid in tow, vs a crack head or teenager/ homeless.

and agreed unless the father ate some sandwich only the mom should have even been remotely responsible, and in such a case did both need be charged if one copped to it?
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11-03-2011, 11:12 PM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
People above corporations. Totally there with you's.
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11-04-2011, 02:40 AM,
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Quote:Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich

How come she didn't forget to eat it but only forgot to pay for it ?. I say strap her to the electric chair. NO MA'AM !!!!!.
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11-04-2011, 03:25 PM,
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RE: Pregnant mom arrested for forgetting to pay for sandwich; state takes daughter, 2
(11-04-2011, 02:40 AM)rockingtheboat Wrote: How come she didn't forget to eat it but only forgot to pay for it ?
That's the issue with forgetting, there is no explanation other than forgetting. Wink

(11-04-2011, 02:40 AM)rockingtheboat Wrote: I say strap her to the electric chair. NO MA'AM !!!!!.
It's a good job some of us are getting used to your sense of humour. Fruit
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