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Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
06-13-2012, 11:44 PM,
#16
RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/11/zombie_bullets/

'Zombie bullets' fly off US shelves after wave of undead attacks
Well, how else will you tackle a shuffling corpse horde?

By Lewis Page
Posted in Bootnotes, 11th June 2012 14:43 GMT

Special ammunition optimised for fighting zombies is selling like hot cakes in the USA, according to reports, following sensational media coverage of incidents involving flesh-eating and similar undead-esque behaviour.

In particular, fears of an imminent zombie plague were stoked by the recent case of Rudy Eugene. The 31-year-old was shot dead by police officers in Miami last month while chewing on another man's face - presumably in an attempt to get at his brain. Other vaguely similar incidents have been dredged up and conflated with this by various media outlets to produce a tenuous undead-apocalypse theme.

All this has apparently been extremely fortunate for US ammo maker Hornady, which last October brought out its "Zombie Max [1]" line of cartridges ("make dead permanent"). We hear courtesy of WWJ Detroit [2] that Zombie Max rounds are flying off the gun-shop shelves.

“This is probably one of the only [products] that we’ve seen when people who are not in the hunting and shooting industry will go out and they will purchase this,” Hornady spokesman Everett Deger told WWJ.

“I mean, I’ve heard of guys who buy it just because they think the packaging is cool and they set it on their cube and they don’t even own a gun,” he said. ”It has that sort of cross-market appeal, which I think is rare to find these days, where you can actually sell something that will transcend not just one market but go into several.”

Hornady argues not-very-seriously that the zombie-busting ammo is undeniably effective ("have you ever SEEN a zombie?") and contends that it is genuinely optimised against zombies in some meaningful way:

Get Loaded with Z-MAX™ Bullets and PREPARE to "Mist"ify Zombie Varmints!

Explosive Hornady® performance comes in every Z-Max™ bullet specifically designed to vaporize zombie varmints. Ultra-flat trajectories send mangy menaces to the varmint graveyard.

Company president Steve Hornady, in an interview [3] with Guns & Ammo magazine at the time of the product launch, revealed some of the technical thinking behind the Z-Max.

"Well, head shots or brain stem are the only effective shots on Zed so we focused on rapid fire quick recovery rounds," Mr Hornady told the gun mag.

"There was considerable debate about the shotgun round since, in my opinion, accurate shot placement is important. If Zed is close enough to reliably hit the brain with a shotgun then your situation may be dire indeed, and shotgun ammo is heavy, so you simply cannot carry as much as you will need. However, ultimately, I was convinced that for many shooters this may be their only rapid response firearm, at least initially," added the ammo kingpin.

Z-Max is available in several rifle and pistol formats, including the classic 9mm and .45 pistol cartridges and rounds suitable for the popular AK and AR-15 families of assault rifles. And as Mr Hornady says, there is also a 12-bore shotgun shell "Z-shot" available as well.

The company is pretty tight-lipped as to exactly what the special sauce is that makes a zombie bullet different from a normal one, but to be fair the whole line is fairly openly admitted to be just a bit of harmless marketing fun. Product pictures make it fairly plain that the Z-Max is nothing more than a standard plastic-tipped expanding slug* with green polymer substituted for Hornady's usual red as seen on the company's A-MAX and V-MAX lines (intended for use on people and animals respectively).

Needless to say the heated technical debate around the best and most practical ways to defeat zombies will probably only be inflamed by the introduction of Z-Max bullets: members of the cricket- or baseball-bat or cutting-and-stabbing-implement schools will have only scorn for firearms in general, and within the gun-favouring community there will be factions favouring different types of weapons and ammunition. And there will also be those who feel that a successful defence is mathematically impossible [4].

That type of argument is, of course, what the comment threads are for. We here on the Reg weaponry desk will get the debate rolling by pointing out that one of the best and most authoritative reference works on zombie fighting - the documentary film Shaun of the Dead - makes it clear that ordinary issue weapons firing standard military ball are all you need to suppress a zombie outbreak**. ®
Bootnotes

* The idea here is to fit a streamlined plastic nose insert onto a normal expanding/hollowpoint/"dum dum" bullet [5]. With its pointier nose the bullet is better streamlined and will fly further and faster than a normal hollowpoint, but will still mushroom open on impact to deliver more trauma than a fully-jacketed or hardcored round. This would normally be most relevant for rifle bullets, as pistols don't generally have enough range to make streamlining important, but some automatic pistols are subject to jamming when loaded with hollowpoints so plastic-tipped rounds are also made in pistol calibres to provide smooth feeding in such weapons.

** Readers will no doubt recall that at the end of the film the British Army turns up - without having had time, realistically, to get hold of any new ammo - and unhurriedly blows all the zombies away without difficulty ("Zombies. To your front. In your own time, go on." Brilliant).
Links

http://www.hornady.com/store/Z-MAX-Bullets/
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/07/zombie-bullets-in-high-demand-following-flesh-eating-attacks/
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/10/14/hornady-zombie-max-ammo/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/18/zombie_plague_paper/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/16/de_menezes_dum_dum_explanation/

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06-14-2012, 06:55 PM,
#17
RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(10-11-2011, 03:02 AM)yeti Wrote: Worried about a few red flags in the crowd of OWS? How about this:

embedded: http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=8B371A69A44EC94AF36F00002647DBBC
direct link: http://wpm.naturalnews.tv/5625.mp4

Got the creeps yet?

I noticed this ridiculous ritual of the crowd repeating what the speakers in NYC were saying, but was told it was because the speakers could not use megaphones. The twerp that's conducting this little kindergarten camp had a megaphone, so WTF?

To be fair, there were quite a few attending that saw through the farce. The sad part is the twerp's job was already done - real people lost interest, leaving nothing but the zombies...

A good article with a partial transcription:
http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/10/zombie-training-ows-atlanta-turns-into-collective-hypnosis-one-voice-weirdness/

Obviously you don't do much street activism yourself, or you would understand the point of this. Thousands of people in a street with cars honking around them is not exactly conducive to good acoustics. Even with a megaphone, it's often difficult to hear someone, and this is a method to get around that. You're really grasping to read something sinister about it. Why are you so eager to criticize people who are standing up to the bankers?
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06-15-2012, 02:34 AM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Obviously you don't do much street activism yourself, or you would understand the point of this.

Obviously you have made an assumption about me. Your assumption is incorrect. I find the fact that you claim I fail to understand what a 10 year old could understand to be insulting. Is that how you usually start a conversation - by insulting the person?

(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Thousands of people in a street with cars honking around them is not exactly conducive to good acoustics.

OK but this is a couple of hundred people sitting in a park listening to a guy with a megaphone, so what's your point?

(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Even with a megaphone, it's often difficult to hear someone, and this is a method to get around that.

If you're having trouble hearing someone competently using a megaphone who is less than 100 feet away, you need a hearing test. Megaphones are designed so that people can be heard in crowds. They work very well as has been clearly demonstrated many thousands of times. If the crowd is too large for a megaphone then they can use a PA (public address) system.

This method has worked for many decades without the mindless chanting technique, which suddenly appeared around the time of the occupy movements.

(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: You're really grasping to read something sinister about it.

If you had read the thread before commenting, you'd understand that the totally unnecessary use of kindergarten style repetition was only one aspect of the creepiness.

I find what the creep in the video was doing to be very creepy, as do many others in this thread. It was obvious he was trying to control the crowd to suit his agenda, which included preventing someone from speaking despite many objections. If you're OK with that, then I find your attitude to be creepy too.

As for sinister, that's your word not mine. I don't know enough about him to judge whether his motivations are sinister or not.

(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Why are you so eager to criticize people who are standing up to the bankers?

Why do you still beat your wife?

Do you want to have an intelligent discussion, or are you just going to make shit up and fling it at me?
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06-16-2012, 05:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-16-2012, 05:19 AM by operatorkos.)
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-15-2012, 02:34 AM)yeti Wrote: Do you want to have an intelligent discussion,

You titled the thread "Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance".

That isn't the basis for an intelligent discussion, it's flimsy anti-occupy propaganda worthy of Glenn Beck. Everyone gets a chance to talk at Occupy events. One random guy does not equal Occupy Atlanta as suggested in your thread title.
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06-16-2012, 06:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-16-2012, 06:42 AM by h3rm35.)
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
man, there´s no need to argue - unless you actually believe that there was nothing sinister at all that went on in those encampments. I appreciate the sentiment of most involved at the individual level, but you´ve gotta admit that it was ripe for infiltration and intelligence ops the second it got press coverage. Do you honestly believe it would have gotten the MSM press coverage it did for as long as it did without serving some agenda for the corporate overlords that run the media. The constant repetition when lauding people like congressmen - ex-civil rights leaders or not, definitely deserves some scrutiny.
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06-16-2012, 06:43 AM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-16-2012, 05:14 AM)operatorkos Wrote: You titled the thread "Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance".

The thread title is the source article headline.

(06-16-2012, 05:14 AM)operatorkos Wrote: That isn't the basis for an intelligent discussion

OK but can you get past the headline and discuss the thread contents?

(06-16-2012, 05:14 AM)operatorkos Wrote: it's flimsy anti-occupy propaganda worthy of Glenn Beck.

Take it up with the author of the article.

(06-16-2012, 05:14 AM)operatorkos Wrote: Everyone gets a chance to talk at Occupy events.

Then why did the twerp with the megaphone prevent a congressman from speaking despite the desire of the crowd to hear him?

The procedures the twerp was using do the opposite of what you claim, which is the whole basis of this thread.

(06-16-2012, 05:14 AM)operatorkos Wrote: One random guy does not equal Occupy Atlanta as suggested in your thread title.

I did not write the thread title. It's the headline of the article I linked to.

I'm pretty sure the members of ConCen are a little smarter than you give them credit for. I think they're used to sensational headlines, but understand that the information is contained in the article's body.

The twerp in the video is a professional activist who is using procedures which have been adopted by many in the occupy movement.

Do you believe these procedures to be harmless?
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06-16-2012, 05:11 PM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
Quote:Lord Jacob Rothschild … displays surprising consideration for the Occupy movements. “I have a lot of sympathy with people who protested about some of the excesses in the world of finance,” he told the Report. –Jerusalem Post (6/1/12)

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06-16-2012, 05:34 PM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-16-2012, 06:43 AM)yeti Wrote: I did not write the thread title. It's the headline of the article I linked to.

And you indicated that you agree with it and the analysis of the article. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Do you agree with it or not?

(06-16-2012, 06:43 AM)yeti Wrote: The twerp in the video is a professional activist who is using procedures which have been adopted by many in the occupy movement.

Your point? When I shoot a rifle, I use a procedure which has been adopted by many in the National Rifle Association. Your argument is guilt by association.

(06-16-2012, 06:43 AM)yeti Wrote: Do you believe these procedures to be harmless?

I don't think there's anything harmful about the "human microphone" method. I'm unclear as to why you're conflating a broadly used and useful method with this one particular individual.
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06-16-2012, 10:14 PM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-16-2012, 05:34 PM)operatorkos Wrote: And you indicated that you agree with it

I did not indicate that I agreed with the tone of the title. I believe it's over the top.

(06-16-2012, 05:34 PM)operatorkos Wrote:
(06-16-2012, 06:43 AM)yeti Wrote: The twerp in the video is a professional activist who is using procedures which have been adopted by many in the occupy movement.
Your point?

Is obvious. Repeat the above statement as necessary until you understand.

(06-16-2012, 05:34 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Your argument is guilt by association.

He is a key member of the organization so he is far more than associated with it.

His procedures are designed to neuter outside ideas and steer the agenda to theirs while stifling dissent. If you can't see that then there is no point in having this conversation.

(06-16-2012, 05:34 PM)operatorkos Wrote:
(06-16-2012, 06:43 AM)yeti Wrote: Do you believe these procedures to be harmless?
I don't think there's anything harmful about the "human microphone" method.

The "human microphone" is but one of many procedures demonstrated in the video. Why are you avoiding discussion of the other procedures?

(06-16-2012, 05:34 PM)operatorkos Wrote: I'm unclear as to why you're conflating a broadly used and useful method with this one particular individual.

What's there to be unclear about? He's using the method isn't he? Do you know what the word conflate actually means? It's a synonym for "combine".

As myself and others have pointed out, this method was not used at all by any protest movement I've ever heard of until the occupy movement started just last year. If it's broadly used as you claim, then why has nobody seen it in use until recently? Who invented it and why?

As for your claim that it is useful, it is obvious to me and many others that it is useful only for people who want to waste everybody's time, drive away free thinkers, and make the participants look like idiots. Do you enjoy looking like an idiot?

Your first post in this thread was a lecture to me about why the human microphone method was useful. I pointed out that your points were totally irrelevant to the situation in the video, but you continue to claim otherwise. The simple fact is that the twerp had no valid reason to use the human microphone method. If you disagree with this, state your reasons. Otherwise I'm not going to waste any more time on you.
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06-17-2012, 03:33 AM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
They have been assimilated by the Borg collective into the hive mind. Resistance is futile?

Last year I was in an occupy chat room on livestream and was posing questions to the guy in the tent behind his laptop about this behavior. He thought I was funny with my Borg analogy but he never gave me a straight answer about that bizarre ritual other than we are not allowed to use megaphones.
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06-17-2012, 04:32 AM,
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
Occupy is to the left what Tea Party is to the right... A hijacked sentiment for true change and reform, twisted to conformity to the party lines and the system that currently is. There is no other system, and it seems as if there will never be.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - Henry L. Mencken

I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. - Henry L. Mencken
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06-17-2012, 05:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-17-2012, 06:00 PM by operatorkos.)
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RE: Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
(06-16-2012, 10:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Otherwise I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

Good, because the feeling is mutual. Your answers to my points have been an illogical circle jerk covered up by a condescending attitude, so I don't really have anything more to say to you on this topic.
(06-17-2012, 04:32 AM)Anarchist Wrote: Occupy is to the left what Tea Party is to the right... A hijacked sentiment for true change and reform, twisted to conformity to the party lines and the system that currently is. There is no other system, and it seems as if there will never be.

Going to have to disagree with that assessment. The Tea Party is an astroturf movement funded by and working in the interests of big business. There are notable leaders and even Faux News talking heads who support and guide it. Occupy is a grassroots, leaderless movement. U.S. media coverage has been almost universally negative. Every time the DNC, MoveOn, The Revolutionary Communist Party, or any other big group has tried to take it over they have been quickly hounded out.

Now, there are certainly criticisms to be made of Occupy, how various tactics have worked out, how various protests have played out, how there seems to have been a loss of momentum after the orchestrated nation-wide crack-down on all of the encampments. But if definitely changed the national dialogue, and I don't think it's dead quite yet.
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06-17-2012, 06:42 PM,
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(06-17-2012, 05:54 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Your answers to my points have been an illogical circle jerk covered up by a condescending attitude, so I don't really have anything more to say to you on this topic.

LOL

I will remind the members what this person's first sentence to me in this thread was:

(06-14-2012, 06:55 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Obviously you don't do much street activism yourself, or you would understand the point of this.

If that isn't a condescending attitude then I don't know what is.

As for this person's logic, get a load of this one:

(06-17-2012, 05:54 PM)operatorkos Wrote: Thousands of people in a street with cars honking around them is not exactly conducive to good acoustics. Even with a megaphone, it's often difficult to hear someone, and this is a method to get around that.

So this person is lecturing me on the merits of the "human microphone" method as though I'm too stupid to understand what a 6 year old could understand, even though the video clearly shows the twerp using a megaphone in a park surrounded by no more than a couple of hundred people, which negates the whole reason to use the method!

Never mind the fact that the mindless chanting was only one of many reasons why the video was creepy.


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